HoosierFB_JG Posted February 28, 2020 Share Posted February 28, 2020 On 2/26/2020 at 12:06 PM, DT said: That plays well in The HCC Funny how your tune has changed from CG and Carmel because of attendance. Now LC and LN, who don’t travel well (LN had less than 150 fans at the GBB semi state last week compared to Bedfords 1500) should join the HCC. My IQ goes down every time I read one of your posts. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gipper Posted February 28, 2020 Share Posted February 28, 2020 10 hours ago, HoosierFB_JG said: Funny how your tune has changed from CG and Carmel because of attendance. Now LC and LN, who don’t travel well (LN had less than 150 fans at the GBB semi state last week compared to Bedfords 1500) should join the HCC. My IQ goes down every time I read one of your posts. You make good points... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DT Posted February 28, 2020 Share Posted February 28, 2020 (edited) 10 hours ago, HoosierFB_JG said: Funny how your tune has changed from CG and Carmel because of attendance. Now LC and LN, who don’t travel well (LN had less than 150 fans at the GBB semi state last week compared to Bedfords 1500) should join the HCC. My IQ goes down every time I read one of your posts. The MIC was conceived as a collection of "super schools" who had outgrown their competition in both enrollmentment and competitiveness in football Lawrence North as a charter conference member was neither a super enrollment school nor a local football power. It was added as a means to an end to get to 8 member schools Neither LN nor LC are viewed today as super enrollment or super competitive football schools Hence, they are basically "filler" material for the mega schools Is that really in the best interests of their student athletes? Edited February 28, 2020 by DT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustRules Posted February 28, 2020 Share Posted February 28, 2020 1 hour ago, DT said: The MIC was conceived as a collection of "super schools" who had outgrown their competition in both enrollmentment and competitiveness in football Lawrence North as a charter conference member was neither a super enrollment school nor a local football power. It was added as a means to an end to get to 8 member schools Neither LN nor LC are viewed today as super enrollment or super competitive football schools Hence, they are basically "filler" material for the mega schools Is that really in the best interests of their student athletes? One of the recent seasons, LN won a sectional title in 11 of their 17 sports. They are almost always in the middle or upper in the conference in other sports. Outside of the main sports of football and basketball, schools like BD, WC, and Pike are generally the bottom of the conference. This includes tennis, swimming, cross country. softball, etc. If you frame of reference is only football and basketball you are not seeing the entire picture. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gipper Posted February 28, 2020 Share Posted February 28, 2020 30 minutes ago, JustRules said: One of the recent seasons, LN won a sectional title in 11 of their 17 sports. They are almost always in the middle or upper in the conference in other sports. Outside of the main sports of football and basketball, schools like BD, WC, and Pike are generally the bottom of the conference. This includes tennis, swimming, cross country. softball, etc. If you frame of reference is only football and basketball you are not seeing the entire picture. My point exactly!!! Conference affiliations are much more than football... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muda69 Posted February 28, 2020 Share Posted February 28, 2020 But it's the money making sports like Basketball and Football keeping the minor sports alive. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gipper Posted February 28, 2020 Share Posted February 28, 2020 BAKE SALE!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gipper Posted February 28, 2020 Share Posted February 28, 2020 How about their underwater basket weaving squads? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustRules Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 LN girls won state this weekend. The boys swim team finished in the top 20 in state swimming. Only Carmel and Center Grove in the MIC finished ahead of them. Warren Central and North Central were the other only MIC schools that scored points. 48 of the 240 schools in the state scored at the meet. Looking at the MIC vs. HCC in swimming, the HCC is stronger. Here is how their teams finished in sectional and state: Fishers - 2nd in Sectional 8, 4th in State Zionsville - 1st in Sectional 12, 5th in State HSE - 1st in Sectional 8, 6th in State Avon - 3rd in Sectional 11, 13th in State Brownsburg - 1st in Sectional 13, 17 in State Franklin Central - 3rd in Sectional 13, 22nd in State Westfield - 2nd in Sectional 9, no points at State Noblesville - 3rd in Sectional 9, no swimmers at State 3 teams in the top 10 and 6 in the top 25 is very impressive. Westfield and Noblesville also have very good swim programs, but this shows how hard it is to score at state. Meanwhile in the MIC: Carmel - 1st in Sectional 9, 1st in State Center Grove - 2nd in Sectional 16, 9th in State Lawrence North - 2nd in Sectional 14, 19th in State Warren Central - 4th in Sectional 14, 24th in State North Central - 1st in Sectional 14, 39th in State LC - 6th in Sectional 14, no points at State Ben Davis - 4th in Sectional 13, no swimmers at State Pike - 6th in Sectional 13, no swimmers at State This just shows that sports vary from conference to conference. Munster, Chesterton and Penn are 3 of the other top 76 teams. Carroll and Franklin round out the top 10. None of those teams are top 25 teams in football. If you are only focusing on football as the only sport to determine where a school should be you are not looking at it from the perspective of an athletic administrator. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DT Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 42 minutes ago, JustRules said: LN girls won state this weekend. The boys swim team finished in the top 20 in state swimming. Only Carmel and Center Grove in the MIC finished ahead of them. Warren Central and North Central were the other only MIC schools that scored points. 48 of the 240 schools in the state scored at the meet. Looking at the MIC vs. HCC in swimming, the HCC is stronger. Here is how their teams finished in sectional and state: Fishers - 2nd in Sectional 8, 4th in State Zionsville - 1st in Sectional 12, 5th in State HSE - 1st in Sectional 8, 6th in State Avon - 3rd in Sectional 11, 13th in State Brownsburg - 1st in Sectional 13, 17 in State Franklin Central - 3rd in Sectional 13, 22nd in State Westfield - 2nd in Sectional 9, no points at State Noblesville - 3rd in Sectional 9, no swimmers at State 3 teams in the top 10 and 6 in the top 25 is very impressive. Westfield and Noblesville also have very good swim programs, but this shows how hard it is to score at state. Meanwhile in the MIC: Carmel - 1st in Sectional 9, 1st in State Center Grove - 2nd in Sectional 16, 9th in State Lawrence North - 2nd in Sectional 14, 19th in State Warren Central - 4th in Sectional 14, 24th in State North Central - 1st in Sectional 14, 39th in State LC - 6th in Sectional 14, no points at State Ben Davis - 4th in Sectional 13, no swimmers at State Pike - 6th in Sectional 13, no swimmers at State This just shows that sports vary from conference to conference. Munster, Chesterton and Penn are 3 of the other top 76 teams. Carroll and Franklin round out the top 10. None of those teams are top 25 teams in football. If you are only focusing on football as the only sport to determine where a school should be you are not looking at it from the perspective of an athletic administrator. The MIC is a different animal. It was founded solely on the premise that it bring together central Indiana's top programs to form the best high school football conference in the Midwest It is barely the top conference in the state at this time due to traditional bottom laggards LC, LN and PK. NC has risen mightily in the past few years Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DT Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 1 hour ago, TrojanDad said: Follow Tom Lemming on Twitter. He tweeted during the NFL combine while here in Indy about 2 LN players that are high on radar screens. (McCulley & Cooper) LN has some talent DT....and a heck of a coach. He also gave Caden Curry and Austin Booker love from CG. No one is contesting the fact that LN on occasion will produce some high end talent So do HSE, ZV, BlackBerry, AV, WF Fishers and others There is no disputing the fact however that Carmel has 5000 students while LN has 2300. BD 4600. WC and NC 3700. Those enrollment discrepancies do not support competitive balance in a sport that requires depth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gipper Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 Another reason why this idea is next-level stupid: Travel time. The distances from the Larry’s is a lot less to the city schools as opposed to the remote outposts (😉) of Avon, Westfield, etc. it is also on the student-athlete’s best interest to study which can really hampered by a bus ride on I-465 on a Tuesday night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btownqbcoach Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 22 hours ago, DT said: The MIC is a different animal. It was founded solely on the premise that it bring together central Indiana's top programs to form the best high school football conference in the Midwest It is barely the top conference in the state at this time due to traditional bottom laggards LC, LN and PK. NC has risen mightily in the past few years Just stop. One year the HCC was comparable and it was STILL an all MIC final. The MIC is still by far the king. I have no affiliation to these conferences, but to diminish how good this conference is at all is silly. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DT Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 3 hours ago, Gipper said: Another reason why this idea is next-level stupid: Travel time. The distances from the Larry’s is a lot less to the city schools as opposed to the remote outposts (😉) of Avon, Westfield, etc. it is also on the student-athlete’s best interest to study which can really hampered by a bus ride on I-465 on a Tuesday night. The move to add Franklin Central showed that the HCC is open to any and all expansion options. It also opens up a pathway to the south for the conference. Fishers, HSE, Noblesville, FC are all easy commutes for the Larrys Avon is just a bit further out than Ben Davis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gipper Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 Sorry, not seeing it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gipper Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 1 hour ago, btownqbcoach said: Just stop. One year the HCC was comparable and it was STILL an all MIC final. The MIC is still by far the king. I have no affiliation to these conferences, but to diminish how good this conference is at all is silly. Great observation. City kids should play city kids. This is not sone fantasy football league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach_K Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 On 2/28/2020 at 1:17 PM, Muda69 said: But it's the money making sports like Basketball and Football keeping the minor sports alive. Pardon me, but I might be a bit ignorant. @Muda69 makes a great point. Speaking purely from a former AD perspective, basketball and football keep other sports alive at many schools. Hence the reason many schools don’t want to cut football even if they aren’t Conference or Sectional contenders. Swimming, wrestling, tennis, golf, track, etc are not paying the bills, or coaches salaries. Football and basketball do that. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gipper Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 4 minutes ago, Coach_K said: Pardon me, but I might be a bit ignorant. @Muda69 makes a great point. Speaking purely from a former AD perspective, basketball and football keep other sports alive at many schools. Hence the reason many schools don’t want to cut football even if they aren’t Conference or Sectional contenders. Swimming, wrestling, tennis, golf, track, etc are not paying the bills, or coaches salaries. Football and basketball do that. Not ignorant at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staxawax Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 On 3/3/2020 at 11:13 AM, DT said: The move to add Franklin Central showed that the HCC is open to any and all expansion options. It also opens up a pathway to the south for the conference. Fishers, HSE, Noblesville, FC are all easy commutes for the Larrys Avon is just a bit further out than Ben Davis FC filled the 8th opening from when the Lafayette area schools left. The HCC is now closed for expansion. I repeat, the HCC is closed! Thank you for your interest. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gipper Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 10 hours ago, Staxawax said: FC filled the 8th opening from when the Lafayette area schools left. The HCC is now closed for expansion. I repeat, the HCC is closed! Thank you for your interest. Eight is a good number of members. Probably the best as it allows a round-robin league schedule in addition to two out of conference games. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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