Turf 2020 and Beyond

[hhpatriot04]

3 hours ago, Impartial_Observer said:

Maybe not lies, but kind of like Darwin, depending on old data can bite you in the ass. 
They were clearly hotter early on, the second Gen fields not so much. Probably a little hotter than a natural grass field but when it’s 95 at KO, does it really matter?

I can back none of my opinion up with scientific data, just from working on them the last 20 years. 

How often to artificial fields get sprayed with water/a cleaning solvent to clean fluids and other dirt?

[Impartial_Observer]

9 hours ago, hhpatriot04 said:

How often to artificial fields get sprayed with water/a cleaning solvent to clean fluids and other dirt?

No clue, I know the turf comes with a prescribed maintenance/disinfecting routine. 

[Esso Ayche]

17 hours ago, hhpatriot04 said:

How often to artificial fields get sprayed with water/a cleaning solvent to clean fluids and other dirt?

When it rains. And when they dump the ice from the water jugs.

[hhpatriot04]

6 hours ago, Esso Ayche said:

When it rains. And when they dump the ice from the water jugs.

Or when the Titans grace your turf and cast holy water onto thy field?

[Esso Ayche]

1 hour ago, hhpatriot04 said:

Or when the Titans grace your turf and cast holy water onto thy field?

As many around here know, Titan sweat is like pure glacier water, quenching the thirst of an opposition's barren landscape. Little known secret, the team never actually brings water or Gatorade into games. They just wring out their sweat rags directly into the water bottles. Instant 34 degree electrolyte enhanced advanced hydration.

Also, Titan sweat cleanses even the toughest baked-on stains.

Edited August 27, 2022 by Esso Ayche
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[btownqbcoach1]

On 8/26/2022 at 1:39 PM, Muda69 said:

Sorry you feel like your little thread fiefdom is being infringed upon. Go ahead, continue your turf navel gazing.

 

 

Your just rude. Idk what to tell you lol 

On 8/26/2022 at 3:14 PM, hhpatriot04 said:

How often to artificial fields get sprayed with water/a cleaning solvent to clean fluids and other dirt?

Not sure. We've not ran into any infection, of any kind, during the time we've had ours. 

I have no clue when the best time to do that would be? 

[hhpatriot04]

8 hours ago, btownqbcoach1 said:

Your just rude. Idk what to tell you lol 

Not sure. We've not ran into any infection, of any kind, during the time we've had ours. 

I have no clue when the best time to do that would be? 

Joey Chestnut ate pounds of popcorn on Victory Field halfway to the mound prior to the game... the staff vacuumed off the popcorn then hosed the natural turf prior to first pitch. I just assumed the field turf could be cleaned.

[Muda69]

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7222665/

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Methicillin-resistant Staphylococcus aureus (MRSA) is responsible for one-third of infectious outbreaks reported among competitive athletes at high school and collegiate levels of competition, while the frequency of infections among National Football League players is nearly 400-fold higher than in the general population. The increased prevalence of MRSA infections among such athletes necessitates the study of football-specific environments as MRSA reservoirs.

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The prevalence of MRSA infections among high school athletes has significantly increased,⁷ while current data suggest that the infection rate among high school and professional football players is as much as 160 times⁶ and 400 times⁹ that of the general population, respectively. The increased occurrence of MRSA colonization and infections among football players is not surprising, as person-to-person and person-to-surface contact naturally increases the risk of MRSA acquisition and transmission.⁴¹ The surface characteristics of artificial turf can play a role in the spread of infections, as contact with the abrasive surface results in frequent turf burns and a 7-fold increase in MRSA infection risk over players without abrasions.³ Furthermore, since direct exposure to sunlight is nonexistent on indoor fields, natural attenuation of bacteria by exposure to ultraviolet light (in sunlight) is limited, facilitating the persistence of bacteria deposited on indoor fields.

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Our findings showed that MRSA inoculated onto the majority of common turf materials can remain available for at least 48 hours. Although the duration of availability is relatively short compared with values typically reported for other environments,³⁸ many sporting events often last 3 hours or longer, which is within the window of MRSA availability from the fibers and many of the infills tested here. Furthermore, because multiple daily practice sessions encompassing several hours are not uncommon, as are day-long sessions for multiple teams in recreational-use facilities, even short durations of MRSA availability can represent an important risk to athlete health.

 

[Impartial_Observer]

3 hours ago, Muda69 said:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7222665/

 

Not to hijack the thread but if I remember correctly approximately 80% of the population are carriers of MRSA……and it should be pointed out that we’ll all probably die from something sooner or later. 

[Coach Harvey]

14 minutes ago, Impartial_Observer said:

Not to hijack the thread but if I remember correctly approximately 80% of the population are carriers of MRSA……and it should be pointed out that we’ll all probably die from something sooner or later. 

And it appears some of us will choose to die on certain hills no matter what. 

[gonzoron]

If you had a manual turntable, this repeated at the end until you lifted the needle. I know from experience. Maybe they were saying "Oh MRSA"

Edited August 29, 2022 by gonzoron

[gonzoron]

4 hours ago, Muda69 said:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7222665/

 

This is the #1 reason you should not drop your Hot Dog on the turf.

[foxbat]

6 minutes ago, gonzoron said:

If you had a manual turntable, this repeated at the end until you lifted the needle. I know from experience. Maybe they were saying "Oh MRSA"

OK, nothing else to see here.  Everyone move along.

[Muda69]

Agreed. Provide solid data and the only response is jokes.   Classic deflection.

 

[gonzoron]

14 minutes ago, Muda69 said:

Provide solid data

Please provide some that isn't 10-30 years old. Check the sources in this article.

Edited August 29, 2022 by gonzoron

[Muda69]

3 minutes ago, gonzoron said:

Please provide some that isn't 10-30 years old. Check the sources in this article.

Age doesn't make the data any less valid.  Try again, chief.

 

[gonzoron]

6 minutes ago, Muda69 said:

Age doesn't make the data any less valid.  Try again, chief.

 

It most certainly does make it less valid. Technology advances, old data remains old. 

[Muda69]

17 minutes ago, gonzoron said:

It most certainly does make it less valid. Technology advances, old data remains old. 

Then by all means comb through the sources cited in the linked article and use your considerable intellect to point out those that are no longer valid.

After all the article itself was published in April of 2020.  Are you implying that the four authors intentionally used outdated and invalid sources?

 

[gonzoron]

1 hour ago, Muda69 said:

Then by all means comb through the sources cited in the linked article and use your considerable intellect to point out those that are no longer valid.

I didn't need to 'comb through them' when they are linked footnotes showing the published date.

 

1 hour ago, Muda69 said:

Are you implying that the four authors intentionally used outdated and invalid sources?

I lack sufficient knowledge and information to affirm or deny this allegation.

[Impartial_Observer]

12 hours ago, Muda69 said:

Age doesn't make the data any less valid.  Try again, chief.

 

Sure, Darwin’s still making a living with 200 year old data. 

[gonzoron]

[Muda69]

16 hours ago, gonzoron said:

I didn't need to 'comb through them' when they are linked footnotes showing the published date.

I lack sufficient knowledge and information to affirm or deny this allegation.

No, you are just lazy. A older published date does not necessarily make that published research now invalid,  yet you strongly indicate that when research reaches a certain age it should automatically be discounted.

 

 

[gonzoron]

21 minutes ago, Muda69 said:

No, you are just lazy. A older published date does not necessarily make that published research now invalid,  yet you strongly indicate that when research reaches a certain age it should automatically be discounted.

 

 

Did that leave a mark?

On 8/26/2022 at 11:30 AM, Impartial_Observer said:

depending on old data can bite you in the ass. 
 

 

[Impartial_Observer]

34 minutes ago, Muda69 said:

No, you are just lazy. A older published date does not necessarily make that published research now invalid,  yet you strongly indicate that when research reaches a certain age it should automatically be discounted.

 

 

FYI Darwin has a giant math problem that even he couldn’t solve. Since Darwin published his work, we have discovered many new technologies, most notably in Darwin’s case DNA. My point was Darwin based everything on 19th Century data, new technologies have merely exacerbated his math problem. Darwin is wrong because his data is old and outdated. 

[Coach Harvey]

Here you go @Muda69

A study completed in 2011 found that there is no scientific evidence to support concern that the turf is harboring the bacteria that causes MRSA. Serensits TJ, McNitt AS, Peterunak DM. Human health issues on synthetic turf in the USA. J Sports Eng. & Tech. 2011;225(Part P). DOI:10.1177/1754337111398407.

Furthermore, a study completed in 2004 found that while turf burn may open up the skin for infection, the bacteria was actually being transmitted in the locker room. Begier et al. 2004. A High-Morbidity Outbreak of Methicillin-Resistant Staphylococcus aureus among Players on a College Football Team, Facilitated by Cosmetic Body Shaving and Turf Burns. Clin Inf Dis. 2004;39:1446-53.

If you need more studies which reinforce the above here is some light reading for you: 

Serensits, T J, et al. “Human Health Issues on Synthetic Turf in the USA.” Proceedings of the Institution of Mechanical Engineers, Part P: Journal of Sports Engineering and Technology, vol. 225, no. 3, 13 June 2011, pp. 139–146, plantscience.psu.edu/research/centers/ssrc/documents/human-health-issues-on-synthetic-turf-in-the-usa.pdf, 10.1177/1754337111398407.

THE SYNTHETIC TURF COUNCIL On the Research Project SURVIVAL OF Staphylococcus Aureus ON SYNTHETIC TURF College of Agricultural Sciences

For Athletes. 2019, www.cdc.gov/mrsa/community/team-hc-providers/advice-for-athletes.html?CDC_AA_refVal=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cdc.gov%2Fmrsa%2Fgroups%2Fadvice-for-athletes.html. Accessed 11 May 2019.