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8 hours ago, Coach Nowlin said:

Congrats Cass and LCC 

Turnovers and not getting off field in some key downs did us in 

Spotted 13 points first 1:26 of game 

 

Had 31 1st downs.   519 of offense 443 on the ground.   Just couldn't get over the hump 

I think Boone Grove turned it over in the first two possessions also.  If Cass can stay away from the 59er hex in their first two possessions I think Harrell has it about right.  +14 victory for the Kings

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5 hours ago, BendNotBreak said:

Then ther were 2..... Best of luck 2 the Kings...... the Knights r still on the outside.... lookin in........

I would agree with this.  I'll post later on takeaways/observations, but just wanted to say that, for all of the talk of strength of schedule and team sizes, etc., I have to give props to Traders Point.  They dressed about 19-20 and may have had a low schedule strength ... as a matter of fact, their schedule strength was 310 out of the 321 teams listed on Sagarin and that's with #1 1A Indy Lutheran on their schedule.  None of that mattered in their play.  They were well-prepared and fairly well-disciplined in their execution.  They sent LCC to the locker room at half down 10-9.  Outside of Pioneer the last two seasons, the last time LCC went into a locker room down during the 1A tournament was all the way back in 2008 with Sheridan.  TPC played a good game, but halftime adjustments by LCC and just sheer getting worn down sealed their fate in this.  Outside of that, I think that they are a good team and I'd like to see them perhaps play a stronger schedule to perhaps get more notoriety as they tend to be overlooked.  Having seen them play with their numbers and schedule, I think other teams playing them might overlook them them at their own peril.  

 

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1 hour ago, foxbat said:

I would agree with this.  I'll post later on takeaways/observations, but just wanted to say that, for all of the talk of strength of schedule and team sizes, etc., I have to give props to Traders Point.  They dressed about 19-20 and may have had a low schedule strength ... as a matter of fact, their schedule strength was 310 out of the 321 teams listed on Sagarin and that's with #1 1A Indy Lutheran on their schedule.  None of that mattered in their play.  They were well-prepared and fairly well-disciplined in their execution.  They sent LCC to the locker room at half down 10-9.  Outside of Pioneer the last two seasons, the last time LCC went into a locker room down during the 1A tournament was all the way back in 2008 with Sheridan.  TPC played a good game, but halftime adjustments by LCC and just sheer getting worn down sealed their fate in this.  Outside of that, I think that they are a good team and I'd like to see them perhaps play a stronger schedule to perhaps get more notoriety as they tend to be overlooked.  Having seen them play with their numbers and schedule, I think other teams playing them might overlook them them at their own peril.  

 

Lcc will beat Judson next week, and it won’t be particularly close. 

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2 hours ago, Scat said:

I think Boone Grove turned it over in the first two possessions also.  If Cass can stay away from the 59er hex in their first two possessions I think Harrell has it about right.  +14 victory for the Kings

Yes they did.   Difference was Andrean forced those 2 fumbles on tackles of Boone Grove, we just flat out dropped the ball 3 times in our schemes, hasn't been an issue all year, just bit up hard last night, but man what a fight by our kids.  Never flinched, remained positive and focused all game, heart breaks for them as they were devastated obviously but know they empty the tank and sometimes the ball doesn't bounce your way, so is life.  

 

Take a few weeks off and reflect, then start looking to put the puzzle pieces back together.  We have a lot of very good young football players out their tonight who will continue to grow and for a few get healthy and repaired bigger and better in 2020. 

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4 minutes ago, Coach Nowlin said:

Yes they did.   Difference was Andrean forced those 2 fumbles on tackles of Boone Grove, we just flat out dropped the ball 3 times in our schemes, hasn't been an issue all year, just bit up hard last night, but man what a fight by our kids.  Never flinched, remained positive and focused all game, heart breaks for them as they were devastated obviously but know they empty the tank and sometimes the ball doesn't bounce your way, so is life.  

 

Take a few weeks off and reflect, then start looking to put the puzzle pieces back together.  We have a lot of very good young football players out their tonight who will continue to grow and for a few get healthy and repaired bigger and better in 2020. 

and THIS, THIS right here is why RCHS does what they do!  Up 20, play ball.  Down 20, play ball.

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10 hours ago, BendNotBreak said:

Then ther were 2..... Best of luck 2 the Kings...... the Knights r still on the outside.... lookin in........

What exactly is LCC on the outside of? The win over Rennsy showed 1A they were a favorite in the North. I still say LCC and Lutherans for the 1A title, swear to God I do 

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1 hour ago, Donnie Baker said:

What exactly is LCC on the outside of? The win over Rennsy showed 1A they were a favorite in the North. I still say LCC and Lutherans for the 1A title, swear to God I do 

Sag now has LCC where I thout they should b.... 3rd.... outside looking in... should they take care of biz this week at hm... they will hit the road to SA.... SA is the clear fav in the north.... their O can come at u many diff ways.... a solid run game and an impressive passing attack... to go with that.. they have a highly aggressive D .... Monroe Central put in some twists to try an take advantage of that.... just wasn't enuff... that said .... I think if someone can knock them off .... its LCC..... can the Knight D slow them down? And can LCCs O put up enuff pts against that starfire D?  A game like that... comes down to ... Big plays.... who is more likly to make em? Who is better suited to limit them?  I give the edge to SA.... but the vaunted INTANGIBLES..... I give to Lcc......  😏

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20 hours ago, FarmerFran said:

Lcc will beat Judson next week, and it won’t be particularly close. 

 

19 hours ago, Donnie Baker said:

What exactly is LCC on the outside of? The win over Rennsy showed 1A they were a favorite in the North. I still say LCC and Lutherans for the 1A title, swear to God I do 

It's possible that LCC can come out of the North to be the representative, but there's still a couple of games that have to be played, and won, to make that happen.  I haven't looked at North Judson yet or run any stats ... I'll try to get to that during the week ... but this year is not like previous LCC quests to LOS beyond sectionals.  As I mentioned previously, I don't think LCC has ever made it to LOS when they've been behind at halftime in any tournament play.  There are some observations from the first two tourney games and from last night's game, as well as a couple others, that illuminate the difference in this season from previous quests.  Like the 2009 and 2010 seasons, this team is more of a no-name team ... meaning there aren't necessarily names of LCC players that those outside of the program or opponent coaches' recognition.  There's no Coy Cronk or Danny/Jackson Anthrop or Ross Corcoran ... although you could argue that Mills had recognition back in 2009.  Unlike those other seasons, LCC was not a brand that was mentioned from the start of the season ... and even now, it's still somewhat limited in mention.  LCC finally entered into the Class A rankings about halfway or later into the season.

Observations:

  • LCC's offense has lacked the early punch in the last three games that have been fairly synonymous with previous LOS runs.  LCC only averages one TD a game in the first quarter in the last three tournament games and they were TD shutout in the first quarter by TPC.  The offensive gameplan for the first possession has also been fairly cookie cutter ... first play is a long incomplete pass downfield for all the marbles, second play tends to be a handoff into the middle that gets stopped after a couple of yards, then an attempt to convert on 3rd-and-long with typically very mixed results.  In successful tournament runs, LCC has traditionally used a shock-and-awe approach to 1) quickly put up points on teams to make the game feel over early and 2) to employ a blunting defense to take away that type of reciprocal activity from teams that have been high scoring up to that point in the tournament; again to add a feeling of early denouement.   

  • LCC is deadly in the short-pass game and I would go with that for the opening couple of drives to force teams on their heals.  I certainly appreciate the shock-and-awe potential of a three-play opening game plan where Play 1 is throw the ball deep for a TD, Play 2 is kick the PAT, and Play 3 is kickoff after score.  But I also understand the feeling of accomplishment when other teams are able to defer and then force LCC to punt on that first possession.  That left wheel route, which I understand has to be set up by some long pass attempts, has been particularly successful for LCC.  I think it can be equally set up by some right-side or short-pass pass-option activity as well.
  • I like the tandem backfield that LCC showed against TPC with Munn and Roach in the backfield to help alleviate need to be the workhorse.  Although I like having Roach untethered near the line as a WR or slot.  I'd actually like to see it run with Schrader and Munn back there with Munn in the roll of the fullback.  I think it would give LCC more punch in the middle and also provide more opportunities for Schrader on the outsides.  Getting to the outside has been mixed for LCC these last three games.  Being able to use Munn to pick up that stray that tends to blunt the corner can free up Schrader when he gets to the corner and can turn up.  Schrader's been very successful getting downfield when he's able to make that corner and runs like a fullback at that point punishing tacklers on that sideline.  With that said, Roach has very nice moves coming out of that backfield as a scat back. 

  • Motion, motion, motion ... I'd like to see LCC do a lot more motion with the slot backs and WRs.  TPC overdid the motion thing and got stuck for at least two or three penalties for not being set or for settling down in the wrong formation, but for the past tournament runs, LCC used plenty of motion to effectively pickup some mismatches.  Putting Roach or Buche or even Schrader, in a tandem backfield in motion, provides for some options as well for so mismatches and missed assignments.
  • Middle LB play seems more conservative than in the past and teams seem to be able to pick up bigger chunks in the middle and on quick outside hits with motion backs.  MLBs are quick ... which can be seen on more traditional sweep plays where backs get a pitch, flareout, or deeper handoff ... but seem to be catching middle run plays and missing out on quick hits on the edges.
  • Corners, or perhaps more corner/safety combo on sideline patterns, have been vulnerable, but also not yet burned too much.  There are many plays in the past three games where receivers have been behind the defenders and the pass has been overthrown.  Better passing QBs could convert those into quick strikes.  Even not so great passing QBs can exploit that.  TPC's Hart had a total of 5 completions on 15 attempts.   One of those passed resulted in a 34-yard TD and another in a 32-yard gain.  Hart's QB rating was 82.1 for the game and only 104.5 for the season on a relatively light schedule.  The LBs have their fair share of picks this season from the underside, but that overside concerns me.
  • Can we get Barrett to drop back just a bit?  Forget two-step, three-step, and five-step ... it seems to be no-step.  One of the things that I love about Barrett as he's emerged as a QB is his ability to make things happen with his legs.  That nifty little two-point conversion rollout that he did against TPC shows some of that potential.  With that said, I'm not saying turn him into a running QB, but dropping him back gives him more options to step up/out in/of the pocket when he needs the time or the pressure.  With that no-step, when he flushes out of the pocket, he doesn't have many places to go if the line is collapsing.  Would also buy him a little bit more time for that pass downfield when attempting it to increase the potential success rate of those attempts.
  • Last-minute TDs.  In the last three games, LCC has given up a TD with under a minute left to go in the game to all three opponents.  I understand in one case that there were plenty of JV folks in there getting some reps and that's going to happen sometimes, but three in a row in the last minute during tourney is a bit concerning.
  • With the above bullet-point said, I absolutely love the fire and focus coming out of the locker room for the second half.  LCC's defense came out and basically smothered TPC all the way up until that last drive of the night in that second half consistently forcing TPC to be standing in their own territory most of that second half on both sides of the ball.  As I tell my players though, if you keep the game close, you can kind of afford to do that; however, I'd rather have them doing that from the opening kickoff rather than after the halftime band performance.  At halftime, I want that opposing coach talking to his team about moral victories in the second half and not about game victory.  A little shock-and-awe on both sides of the ball early in a game goes a long way and also gives more opportunity to play more aggressively later to create additional problems for the opponent.

 

I also know that Coach Nay is working to get back to the old LCC playbook of specialists playing one-way.  Still a few folks going two-way, but being in his second year and transitioning toward that, I think he's going to need some time to get that fully-evaluated/implemented.  I absolutely love what he's done to get the program back in the right direction in just a short time and back on the road to LOS.  Just a few observations from the bleachers and with the caveat that I've only had a chance to see LCC play in person this season during these last three games and the BC game, but in that game I was wrangling cats, so didn't get to do much observation.  Anyone else see similar or different things?

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What he said..... this team can get ther... but not in the fashion u've seen other Lcc teams do it.... they will hav to scratch an claw ther way ther...... can they make that one key block to spring the corner?  A tandem backfield? Maybe.... or like u said... use motion to crack down and spring it..... I think they r at the point wher the sched has prepared them well... but they r gonna have to game plan an execute it better to get ther.... I'd like to c if the O can mix it up and grind down NJ ...3.5 yrds a play would b jus fine..... till it's time not too.....

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6 hours ago, foxbat said:

 

It's possible that LCC can come out of the North to be the representative, but there's still a couple of games that have to be played, and won, to make that happen.  I haven't looked at North Judson yet or run any stats ... I'll try to get to that during the week ... but this year is not like previous LCC quests to LOS beyond sectionals.  As I mentioned previously, I don't think LCC has ever made it to LOS when they've been behind at halftime in any tournament play.  There are some observations from the first two tourney games and from last night's game, as well as a couple others, that illuminate the difference in this season from previous quests.  Like the 2009 and 2010 seasons, this team is more of a no-name team ... meaning there aren't necessarily names of LCC players that those outside of the program or opponent coaches' recognition.  There's no Coy Cronk or Danny/Jackson Anthrop or Ross Corcoran ... although you could argue that Mills had recognition back in 2009.  Unlike those other seasons, LCC was not a brand that was mentioned from the start of the season ... and even now, it's still somewhat limited in mention.  LCC finally entered into the Class A rankings about halfway or later into the season.

 

Observations:

 

  • LCC's offense has lacked the early punch in the last three games that have been fairly synonymous with previous LOS runs.  LCC only averages one TD a game in the first quarter in the last three tournament games and they were TD shutout in the first quarter by TPC.  The offensive gameplan for the first possession has also been fairly cookie cutter ... first play is a long incomplete pass downfield for all the marbles, second play tends to be a handoff into the middle that gets stopped after a couple of yards, then an attempt to convert on 3rd-and-long with typically very mixed results.  In successful tournament runs, LCC has traditionally used a shock-and-awe approach to 1) quickly put up points on teams to make the game feel over early and 2) to employ a blunting defense to take away that type of reciprocal activity from teams that have been high scoring up to that point in the tournament; again to add a feeling of early denouement.   

     

  • LCC is deadly in the short-pass game and I would go with that for the opening couple of drives to force teams on their heals.  I certainly appreciate the shock-and-awe potential of a three-play opening game plan where Play 1 is throw the ball deep for a TD, Play 2 is kick the PAT, and Play 3 is kickoff after score.  But I also understand the feeling of accomplishment when other teams are able to defer and then force LCC to punt on that first possession.  That left wheel route, which I understand has to be set up by some long pass attempts, has been particularly successful for LCC.  I think it can be equally set up by some right-side or short-pass pass-option activity as well.
  • I like the tandem backfield that LCC showed against TPC with Munn and Roach in the backfield to help alleviate need to be the workhorse.  Although I like having Roach untethered near the line as a WR or slot.  I'd actually like to see it run with Schrader and Munn back there with Munn in the roll of the fullback.  I think it would give LCC more punch in the middle and also provide more opportunities for Schrader on the outsides.  Getting to the outside has been mixed for LCC these last three games.  Being able to use Munn to pick up that stray that tends to blunt the corner can free up Schrader when he gets to the corner and can turn up.  Schrader's been very successful getting downfield when he's able to make that corner and runs like a fullback at that point punishing tacklers on that sideline.  With that said, Roach has very nice moves coming out of that backfield as a scat back. 

  • Motion, motion, motion ... I'd like to see LCC do a lot more motion with the slot backs and WRs.  TPC overdid the motion thing and got stuck for at least two or three penalties for not being set or for settling down in the wrong formation, but for the past tournament runs, LCC used plenty of motion to effectively pickup some mismatches.  Putting Roach or Buche or even Schrader, in a tandem backfield in motion, provides for some options as well for so mismatches and missed assignments.
  • Middle LB play seems more conservative than in the past and teams seem to be able to pick up bigger chunks in the middle and on quick outside hits with motion backs.  MLBs are quick ... which can be seen on more traditional sweep plays where backs get a pitch, flareout, or deeper handoff ... but seem to be catching middle run plays and missing out on quick hits on the edges.
  • Corners, or perhaps more corner/safety combo on sideline patterns, have been vulnerable, but also not yet burned too much.  There are many plays in the past three games where receivers have been behind the defenders and the pass has been overthrown.  Better passing QBs could convert those into quick strikes.  Even not so great passing QBs can exploit that.  TPC's Hart had a total of 5 completions on 15 attempts.   One of those passed resulted in a 34-yard TD and another in a 32-yard gain.  Hart's QB rating was 82.1 for the game and only 104.5 for the season on a relatively light schedule.  The LBs have their fair share of picks this season from the underside, but that overside concerns me.
  • Can we get Barrett to drop back just a bit?  Forget two-step, three-step, and five-step ... it seems to be no-step.  One of the things that I love about Barrett as he's emerged as a QB is his ability to make things happen with his legs.  That nifty little two-point conversion rollout that he did against TPC shows some of that potential.  With that said, I'm not saying turn him into a running QB, but dropping him back gives him more options to step up/out in/of the pocket when he needs the time or the pressure.  With that no-step, when he flushes out of the pocket, he doesn't have many places to go if the line is collapsing.  Would also buy him a little bit more time for that pass downfield when attempting it to increase the potential success rate of those attempts.
  • Last-minute TDs.  In the last three games, LCC has given up a TD with under a minute left to go in the game to all three opponents.  I understand in one case that there were plenty of JV folks in there getting some reps and that's going to happen sometimes, but three in a row in the last minute during tourney is a bit concerning.
  • With the above bullet-point said, I absolutely love the fire and focus coming out of the locker room for the second half.  LCC's defense came out and basically smothered TPC all the way up until that last drive of the night in that second half consistently forcing TPC to be standing in their own territory most of that second half on both sides of the ball.  As I tell my players though, if you keep the game close, you can kind of afford to do that; however, I'd rather have them doing that from the opening kickoff rather than after the halftime band performance.  At halftime, I want that opposing coach talking to his team about moral victories in the second half and not about game victory.  A little shock-and-awe on both sides of the ball early in a game goes a long way and also gives more opportunity to play more aggressively later to create additional problems for the opponent.

 

I also know that Coach Nay is working to get back to the old LCC playbook of specialists playing one-way.  Still a few folks going two-way, but being in his second year and transitioning toward that, I think he's going to need some time to get that fully-evaluated/implemented.  I absolutely love what he's done to get the program back in the right direction in just a short time and back on the road to LOS.  Just a few observations from the bleachers and with the caveat that I've only had a chance to see LCC play in person this season during these last three games and the BC game, but in that game I was wrangling cats, so didn't get to do much observation.  Anyone else see similar or different things?

North Judson has a solid coach in Brett Lambert. 

Cheyanne Allen is one of their man backs, hes a freshman and is a solid player.

They figured out one of the blount twins is a pretty good ball carrier the last two games. 

Hampton is their QB. Hes more of a runner and isn't the best thrower in the world but hes a coaches son so hes smart and plays within himself. 

Manny Barnes is another nice offensive weapon. 

Their OL i believe is two seniors, two juniors and a sophomore. Hampton running a sneak behind their mountain of a sophomore is successful. They run behind Shidler a lot too #72. 

They've been outgained in 7 of their 11 games this year and have tendency to then the ball over (26 times). They play with a lot of heart and passion. I think theyve had some luck go their way (stayed healthy for most part) and have been playing their best ball as of late. 

Nj's major weakness is not being a great throwing team and their corners are 5'7 at max along with turnover issue.

Compton came close to connecting on 3 deep balls that certainly would have went for tds. 

 

So Barrett might have a great game if he can hit his WR'S deep. 

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20 minutes ago, Ultimate Warrior said:

Nj's major weakness is not being a great throwing team and their corners are 5'7 at max along with turnover issue.

 

So Barrett might have a great game if he can hit his DB'S deep. 

Could be a good night for Knight's passing then.  LCC's shortest receiver is 5'9" and he's fast.  He's not really a "go up and get it" kind of receiver, but instead is the "across the middle" and swing pass guy along with wheel routes.  The "go up and get it" receivers are 6'0" and 6'3".  Of those three receivers, two of them have seven picks this year between them on defense, so they are ball hawks.

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Saw an interesting tweet by Sam King prior to Friday's games.  It referenced the fact that LCC and McCutcheon were both playing for sectional titles that night and that the last time a sectional title had been won by both teams, Kevin O'Shea was at the helm.  You could also throw North Central into that pot too of having won their last sectional title under O'Shea.  With LCC's win Friday, Coach Nay steps out with the first of his LCC sectional titles, his first LCC winning season, and his first LCC winning conference record.  Looking to add that first LCC regional win under his tenure this Friday.

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25 minutes ago, Coach Nowlin said:

Looking at those stats against Andrean. Over 500 yds of offense with  twice as many first downs and plays .  Hate that the bombers lost this game.

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I think LCC will pick NJ apart underneath with their passing game until they make a mistake and give up a long one. NJ is traditionally a 4-4 defense with deep cover 3, maybe some 4-3 with cover 4, but asking those linebackers to cover Roach and Busche will be a tough task so they may have to change some things up from what they usually run

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46 minutes ago, dcjjones said:

Looking at those stats against Andrean. Over 500 yds of offense with  twice as many first downs and plays .  Hate that the bombers lost this game.

Turnovers are undefeated 

And We didn't get off the field enough defensively ourselves, only forcing 1 punt on the night.  

But yea, typically with our stat line the way it was it results in a Bomber victory, so it goes.   

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LCC represents the Hoosier Conference as the last remaining team in the tourney as Andrean eliminated Cass last night after knocking off fellow-Hoosier member, RCHS, the week before.  LCC will face Adams Central who pulled off an upset defeating Adams County rival, South Adams, in a revenge game last night.  LCC notches its second post season title, following on last week's sectional title, of the Brian Nay era.

LCC mixed things up last night using a short passing attack that was primarily effective in moving the ball, although LCC coughed up the ball on the NJSP 3-yard line on the opening drive after pretty much moving at will.  Similarly, the defense was able to stifle NJSP who spent the vast majority of the night trying, unsuccessfully, to run between the tackles against LCC's defense.  The 17 points scored is a bit deceiving as one of the TDs came again in the last minute of play and the field goal came after NJSP started with the ball at the LCC 23, pushed it to first and goal, and then was forced to kick it.  Hopefully, teh stats will get updated to MaxPreps to do a bit more detail analysis.

Smith, the freshman, did a nice job coming in and filling in for Schrader, who got a well-needed rest to make sure he's ready to go for semi-state.  Despite Schrader returning for semi-state, LCC will be without Roach who was ejected after reacting to being hit in the helmet on a targeting by NJSP on a late-whistle play.  That occurred just before the half.  The call is not able to be appealed.  You can see it here: https://www.wlfi.com/content/news/Central-Catholic-captures-first-regional-title-since-2015-565029422.html.    The upset of South Adams by Adams Central puts LCC in the enviable position of playing its fourth game of the tourney at home including a regional followed by a semi-state.  Pioneer defeated LCC last season at LaRocca.  The last time before that that LCC has lost at home was all the way back in 2008 when eventual state-runner up, Sheridan, beat LCC in a second-round sectional game 34-28.  LCC would follow that loss with three undefeated seasons in a row en route to their 1A four-peat.

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