The Coronavirus - a virus from eating bats, an accident or something sinister gone wrong?

[raiderx2]

1 hour ago, swordfish said:

A person's "belief" in the shape of the earth other than an orbital ellipse is what I would describe a character flaw that I feel has very little to do with her ability to keep my books correctly since she has been doing my stuff since the 90's.  FWIW -  I still respect Muda's opinions except as it may apply to Christianity since he and I do not share the same opinion on that topic.  

SF agree on both counts. 

She must be good if you have been using her that long........but......don't  you at least look at her with a cocked head and in the back of your mind think "how in the hell can she be so good at keeping books but still think the world is flat."

[Muda69]

30 minutes ago, Irishman said:

"The US Government is partly run by lizard people". 

I don't understand why that is so hard to believe.

 

https://www.oratoryprepomega.org/2017/03/07/conspiracy-lizard-people-rule-the-world/

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There are two classes of these reptilians. Full breeds are aware that they are reptilian and can instantaneously change from human to reptilian form. Their human form is not actually a physical change, rather it is vibrations that make humans think that they are another human. On the contrary, cross breeds do not know that are reptilian, firmly believing they are humans. They are controlled by the low fourth dimension to push forward the reptilian agenda called the New World Order. Recently, Icke has come up with a new theory that the moon is hollow and is really a giant spacecraft that houses this fourth dimension. The regular human mind is manipulated from this location, otherwise known as the moon matrix, that blocks the true reality.

The reptilians make up a variety of famous figures around the globe. Their blood lines relate to the British House of Windsor, the Clintons, the Bushes and others. In fact, the relatives of George W Bush shows possibilities for other members of this family. These figures include Obama, Abraham Lincoln, Marilyn Monroe, and Princess Diana.

In relation to bloodlines, these creatures can be traced back to the earliest of times. In around 4800 BC the crossbreeds emerged from the mountains of the Middle East and started the Indus Valley civilizations. It was through their leadership that the Sumerians, Babylonians, and others advanced in such magnificent ways. The kickstart provided by the more advanced reptilians led to the expansion of humans across the globe.

Finally, we must ask what the ultimate goal of the reptilians is. Why have they chosen to secretly control the workings of the Earth? Perhaps they are utilizing our resources to benefit their home planet. Maybe they lust power and want to have dominion over life forms, and the human race was an obvious choice. Possibly they feed off of negative energy created through the mayhem that is found around the globe. No matter what their motive is, David Icke cannot come to believe any other way that this country is being run.

To conclude, in an interesting poll run by Public Policy Polling, it was found that 4% of US voters believe in Icke’s philosophy of lizard people gaining political prominence….

Now I don't believe the theory that the moon is hollow, but there probably is a secret Nazi moon base still there.

 

[swordfish]

7 minutes ago, raiderx2 said:

SF agree on both counts. 

She must be good if you have been using her that long........but......don't  you at least look at her with a cocked head and in the back of your mind think "how in the hell can she be so good at keeping books but still think the world is flat."

I often wonder how my next door neighbor's daughter who I have know since a snotty nose 5 years old and still is my daughter's best friend could all of a sudden want to be a man...... and then go through with the logistics of making that happen at 28 years old.......But I still love my neighbors......and hope for the best for him......(still can't get used to calling "him")

Love the sinner, hate the sin......

[swordfish]

Anyhoooo -  Dr. Fauci before he thought masks were a good idea......the first time....In his own words......

 

[swordfish]

Here comes the next phase of protective measure talking points from the great Dr. Fauci and the CDC/NIH.......Goggles / eye protection......

https://abcnews.go.com/US/dr-fauci-wear-goggles-eye-shields-prevent-spread/story?id=72059055

Dr. Fauci: Wear goggles or eye shields to prevent spread of COVID-19; flu vaccine a must

 

 

 

Dr. Anthony Fauci suggested Wednesday that Americans should consider wearing goggles or a face shield in order to prevent spreading or catching COVID-19.

"If you have goggles or an eye shield, you should use it," the nation's top infectious disease expert told ABC News Chief Medical Correspondent Dr. Jennifer Ashton during an Instagram Live conversation on ABC News.

When asked if we're going to get to a point where eye protection is recommended, the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases responded, "It might, if you really want perfect protection of the mucosal surfaces."

"You have mucosa in the nose, mucosa in the mouth, but you also have mucosa in the eye," he continued. "Theoretically, you should protect all the mucosal surfaces. So if you have goggles or an eye shield you should use it."

He noted that goggles and eye or face shields are "not universally recommended" at this time, "but if you really want to be complete, you should probably use it if you can."

The novel coronavirus pandemic has killed more than 662,000 people worldwide so far and more than 16.8 million people across the world have been diagnosed with COVID-19, the disease caused by the new respiratory virus, according to data from the Center for Systems Science and Engineering at Johns Hopkins University.

Currently, the United States is the worst-affected country, with more than 4.3 million diagnosed cases and over 150,000 deaths.

Fauci called out four states by name that are struggling to get the virus in check. He and Dr. Deborah Birx, the White House's coronavirus task force coordinator, addressed these states in a call with governors Tuesday.

 

 

Ohio, Tennessee, Kentucky and Indiana are among those that "are starting to show that very subtle increase in percent positives among the total tested, which is a surefire hint that you may be getting into the same sort of trouble with those states that the southern states got into trouble with. So we're watching that really carefully."

Birx has toured those states in the past week, meeting with officials in each state.

Fauci also discussed when people should get tested for COVID-19 if they believe they've been exposed to the virus, since there are no official guidelines from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention or the National Institutes of Health on when to get tested.

"That question came up at the task force meeting yesterday and we asked the same thing and we said there's no real recommendation," Fauci said. "I would think that five [days] is good. I might even go a day or so early because the incubation period of when you get symptoms is about five days."

The window Fauci recommended is "no earlier than three [days] or no later than five or six."

 

As the summer transitions into the fall, Fauci also discussed the oncoming flu season.

Fauci said he hopes wearing masks will help limit the spread of influenza as well.

"It is inevitable that we're going to have some degree of flu," he said. "I'm hoping that the wearing of masks and other coverings are going to not only protect us against COVID-19, but also help protect us against influenza."

He said two circulating respiratory viruses really "confuses the situation" since symptoms of the novel coronavirus and flu are so similar.

"Go out there and get your flu shot when the flu vaccine becomes available," he urged.

Fauci chalked up his own good health to genetics, which he said was probably inherited by his father, who lived to 97. The 79-year-old has joked about his own age, most recently when he struggled while throwing out the first pitch at the Washington Nationals' home opener.

 

He gets up at 5 a.m. every morning, grabs juice or eggs and will drink two "very strong" double espressos as he tackles his email. He works late, tries to squeeze in a run -- he noted he used to run marathons in his younger days -- and then will work "well into the night."

"Sleep is the one thing that's really suffered in all this," he said.

He also joked about his baseball card, featuring his opening pitch last week, which is breaking sales records: "It's a combination of humbling and really embarrassing. ... Yogi Berra and Mickey Mantle are looking down from heaven at me and saying, 'Are you kidding?'"

 

[Howe]

[swordfish]

[Howe]

[Guest]

42 minutes ago, Howe said:

Man I wish people would wake up.

So much look here, not there.  

[Guest]

On 7/28/2020 at 11:28 AM, swordfish said:

 

https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/28/tech/facebook-youtube-coronavirus/index.html

You would certainly think if CNN makes a claim : During the press conference, a speaker who identifies herself as a doctor makes a number of dubious claims, including that "you don't need masks" to prevent spread of the coronavirus, and that recent studies showing hydroxychloroquine is ineffective for the treatment of Covid-19 are "fake science" sponsored by "fake pharma companies." 

They would use some kind of source to identify the "speaker who identifies as a doctor" in order to bolster the claim. and refute her claims  Yet at the end of the article,  According to the website for America's Frontline Doctors, the group is led by Dr. Simone Gold, a Los Angeles-based emergency medicine specialist who has previously been featured on Fox News for her views that stay-at-home orders are harmful. Gold told the Associated Press in May she wanted to speak out against stay-home orders because there was "no scientific basis that the average American should be concerned" about Covid-19.

They give validity to the group.......That does exist, and is truly a group of MD's......

https://meaww.com/americas-frontline-doctors-hydroxychloroquine-cure-covid-19-stella-immanuel-trump-who-are-they

Color me skeptical.......Seriously - if these doctors weren't real, wouldn't CNN go out of their way to prove that and discredit them?

These doctors get shut down entirely for speaking facts and yet Dr. Fauci (yes he earned the title, but is losing credibility very quickly) still is allowed to spew his fear porn?

He is the REASON we are where we are as a divided country on this issue.  Fauci is a FRAUD!

[Howe]

37 minutes ago, DannEllenwood said:

These doctors get shut down entirely for speaking facts and yet Dr. Fauci (yes he earned the title, but is losing credibility very quickly) still is allowed to spew his fear porn?

He is the REASON we are where we are as a divided country on this issue.  Fauci is a FRAUD!

Dr. Fauci is a Democrat activist and a corrupt spokesman for the big pharmaceutical industry. Fauci is the epitomy of bureaucratic deep state.

[swordfish]

Former President B.H.Obama telling this tightly packed crowd at Representative John Lewis's funeral (while attempting to deliver a eulogy that he turned into a political campaign speech against the current Trump Administration) that this coming election will depend on mail-in balloting "so people don't get sick"

Because this virus apparently steers clear of democrats.

But remember your Grandma can't have a funeral because her life wasn't as important.....These are the new rules.....

Edited July 31, 2020 by swordfish

[Guest]

1 hour ago, Howe said:

Dr. Fauci is a Democrat activist and a corrupt spokesman for the big pharmaceutical industry. Fauci is the epitomy of bureaucratic deep state.

Couldn't agree more.

23 minutes ago, swordfish said:

Former President B.H.Obama telling this tightly packed crowd at Representative John Lewis's funeral (while attempting to deliver a eulogy that he turned into a political campaign speech against the current Trump Administration) that this coming election will depend on mail-in balloting "so people don't get sick"

Because this virus apparently steers clear of democrats.

But remember your Grandma can't have a funeral because her life wasn't as important.....These are the new rules.....

FACTS!  Same as George Floyd.

[Guest]

On 7/29/2020 at 12:50 PM, Bobref said:

Is 2 + 2 = 4 a “belief?”

No.  Apparently 2+2=apple.  I dunno.  My students were quoting that meme/gif/whatever it was.  

Edited July 31, 2020 by Guest

[swordfish]

 

Yes - It is for real.......(Caveat - SF is not an MD, and did not understand a majority of the data in this study - but the conclusion AND the fact that this data existed since 2005 from the NIH lends a ton of credence to the HCQ argument that it may work)

https://virologyj.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/1743-422X-2-69

Discussion

We have identified chloroquine as an effective antiviral agent for SARS-CoV in cell culture conditions, as evidenced by its inhibitory effect when the drug was added prior to infection or after the initiation and establishment of infection. The fact that chloroquine exerts an antiviral effect during pre- and post-infection conditions suggest that it is likely to have both prophylactic and therapeutic advantages. 

Conclusion

Chloroquine, a relatively safe, effective and cheap drug used for treating many human diseases including malaria, amoebiosis and human immunodeficiency virus is effective in inhibiting the infection and spread of SARS CoV in cell culture. The fact that the drug has significant inhibitory antiviral effect when the susceptible cells were treated either prior to or after infection suggests a possible prophylactic and therapeutic use.

 

I mean - who knows, maybe aliens can give you an STD.....

Edited July 31, 2020 by swordfish

[DanteEstonia]

[Howe]

 

[TheStatGuy]

The number of deaths from the flu and pneumonia in Florida in all of 2019: 2,703.

The number of deaths from COVID-19 in Florida in July 2020: 3,362. 

According to the US surgeon general. 

[Muda69]

In Michigan, the Wrong Way To Govern During a Pandemic 

https://reason.com/2020/08/01/in-michigan-the-wrong-way-to-govern-during-a-pandemic/

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Few governors have handled the coronavirus crisis perfectly, but Democratic Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer might deserve the prize for the least perfect performance. Her lockdown has inspired around 16 lawsuits and multiple protests. One doesn't have to agree entirely with the protesters to understand that Whitmer went overboard.

Most local lockdowns had their share of nuttiness. But as long as the ratio of good sense to nonsense remained relatively high, Americans mostly went along. That started changing in the Wolverine State when Whitmer defied the legislature and unilaterally extended the lockdown beyond the 41 days that both sides had agreed to, prompting a lawsuit by the body's Republican majority. What's more, instead of easing restrictions over time, Whitmer added stringent new provisions even as the original goal of the lockdown—flattening the curve—was accomplished.

As federal guidelines suggested classifying more industries as "essential" so that they could reopen, Whitmer arbitrarily did the opposite. She ordered big-box outlets to stop selling paint, carpets, and other home improvement material in-store and to block aisles containing those items. But grocery stores could still ply people with soda and candy. Selling lottery tickets was allowed, as was (mercifully) liquor. Landscaping services, however, were suspended.

The last meant that Contender's Tree and Lawn Specialist Inc., a company that had purchased hundreds of thousands of dollars of plant treatment in anticipation of the lockdown lifting, stood to lose all its plants. The company sued. So Whitmer released landscaping companies from captivity, along with golf courses.

But other categories of work, including "nonessential" medical treatments, were still prohibited. Michigan residents couldn't see a doctor except for medical emergencies. No gallbladder operations, annual physicals, or dental checkups were permitted. And no number of safeguards adopted by medical facilities could convince Whitmer to acquiesce to Republican suggestions to include them in one of the earlier phases of reopening. They had to wait till the pandemic was in "phase six"—when "sufficient community immunity" or a "high uptake of an effective therapy or vaccine" was achieved, which could take years. Whitmer was unperturbed that in the interim, an untold number of people would suffer from health problems not related to the coronavirus and medical facilities, starved of income, would shutter. This triggered yet another lawsuit, this one filed by the free market Mackinac Center for Public Policy on behalf of patients and providers.

Whitmer's lockdown didn't even spare the barely affected northern regions of Michigan, putting the modest livelihoods of those residents in jeopardy. Her theory was that any activities beyond the absolutely essential would jeopardize frontline workers by driving up infection numbers. But this mindset, which regards even an infinitesimal increase in secondary risk as unacceptable, could justify stopping virtually any activity anytime.

Whitmer decreed that violations would count as misdemeanors punishable by up to a $1,000 civil fine, among the stiffest in the country. Criminal penalties were also on the table. Meanwhile, Michigan Attorney General Dana Nessel, apparently looking to China for inspiration, encouraged employees to rat out employers who flouted the rules. 

Although the initial lockdown was relatively uncontroversial, the extension triggered a backlash. A Facebook group called Michiganders Against Excessive Quarantining gained steam, reaching over 282,000 members. Its rhetoric was fairly measured at first, but by mid-May, according to Newsweek, one of its members was warning: "We haven't had any bloodshed yet, but the populous [sic] is counting to three, and yesterday was day two. Next comes watering the tree of liberty with the blood of tyrants." Calls to hang, shoot, beat, or behead the governor proliferated.

Rallies got nastier, too. In April, the Michigan Conservative Coalition's "Operation Gridlock" invited motorists to Lansing, the state capital, to jam up roads. The group impressed on protesters to be respectful and responsible. Though it drew some Confederate flag wavers, that was nothing compared to subsequent rallies, where gun-toting militants entered the Capitol. In response, armed guards escorted minority lawmakers into the building. In mid-May, the legislature shut down for a few days. The state's largest militia, Michigan Home Guard, dispatched armed members in Trump paraphernalia to prevent police interference as a 77-year-old small-town barber opened his shop in defiance of the lockdown.

President Donald Trump's personal attacks on Whitmer and characterization of these extremists as "very good people" may have drawn them out. But Whitmer's resort to the maximal possible force, rather than the minimal necessary, played into their hands.

 

[swordfish]

12 hours ago, TheStatGuy said:

The number of deaths from the flu and pneumonia in Florida in all of 2019: 2,703.

The number of deaths from COVID-19 in Florida in July 2020: 3,362. 

According to the US surgeon general. 

Apparently Covid literally cured the flu and Pneumonia in 2020 after week 12.......conveniently right about the time the Coronavirus grew legs.....

http://www.floridahealth.gov/diseases-and-conditions/influenza/index.html

[TheStatGuy]

1 hour ago, swordfish said:

Apparently Covid literally cured the flu and Pneumonia in 2020 after week 12.......conveniently right about the time the Coronavirus grew legs.....

http://www.floridahealth.gov/diseases-and-conditions/influenza/index.html

Again.. That's from the US Surgeon General...

SF is now down in the count 0-2. 

[swordfish]

Ok - so the Florida DOH doesn't count?  

Flu and Pneumonia don't count death by bullets to the head or "presumed" deaths since the deceased wasn't tested..... 

Man gets shot in the head but the DC lists Covid as cause of death......as well as car accidents where the patient was discovered (after passing) to have the virus......

Anyhoooo- US Surgeon General gets his/her numbers from somewhere......

[Howe]

1 hour ago, swordfish said:

Apparently Covid literally cured the flu and Pneumonia in 2020 after week 12.......conveniently right about the time the Coronavirus grew legs.....

http://www.floridahealth.gov/diseases-and-conditions/influenza/index.html

No one with common sense believes these ridiculously inflated coronavirus death totals. Florida listed a fatal motorcycle crash as death by coronavirus last week.

[DanteEstonia]

[Muda69]

The Germans are getting restless: https://justthenews.com/world/europe/thousands-turn-out-anti-lockdown-protest-germany

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Thousands of protesters turned out in Berlin, Germany on Saturday to protest the country's coronavirus lockdown policies, demanding an end to government restrictions and declaring it a "day of freedom" after several months of heavy-handed mitigation efforts throughout the country. 

Videos of chanting, cheering protesters—thousands of whom were packed close together without masks—circulated on social media on Saturday. 

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Local and central governments throughout Germany over the past several months imposed numerous restrictions and mandates upon German citizens, including social distancing rules and masking requirements. Many of those restrictions have been gradually lifted as coronavirus numbers remained relatively low there, but a recent spike in recorded infections in the country has led authorities to consider additional lockdown measures. 

Slogans seen at the Berlin protest included "Natural defense instead of vaccination" and "We are being forced to wear a muzzle."

Counterprotesters reportedly showed up to demonstrate against the larger protest at one point; Deutsche Welle reporter Leonie von Hammerstein reported that the counter-activists were "wearing face masks, [and] keeping the [correct] social distance" during their demonstration.