Theory

[coachkj]

If everyone ignored the continual obnoxious posts about denying student athletes and communities football programs based on poor performance, would the posts go away and eventually die out?

[Gipper]

11 minutes ago, coachkj said:

If everyone ignored the continual obnoxious posts about denying student athletes and communities football programs based on poor performance, would the posts go away and eventually die out?

Well said, I’ll do my best.

[LaSalle Lions 1976]

Ignoring a negative behavior takes tremendous discipline.  They are all debated the wrong side of that topic anyway.

The question should be directed to the Kernan-Shephard report where they recommend that school districts have more that 2000 students...a better use of facilities.

[Guest DT]

1 hour ago, LaSalle Lions 1976 said:

Ignoring a negative behavior takes tremendous discipline.  They are all debated the wrong side of that topic anyway.

The question should be directed to the Kernan-Shephard report where they recommend that school districts have more that 2000 students...a better use of facilities.

SB City schools would be right there with the contraction of Clay and Washington.

The quality of play on Friday nights on SB public school fields would be enhanced significantly.

 

[Gipper]

1 hour ago, LaSalle Lions 1976 said:

Ignoring a negative behavior takes tremendous discipline.  They are all debated the wrong side of that topic anyway.

The question should be directed to the Kernan-Shephard report where they recommend that school districts have more that 2000 students...a better use of facilities.

With that, the negative comments will be geared to achieve indignation.  Although it’s best to take the high road, our natural instinct is to respond with another negative comment, thus triggering a battle.  There really is no room for that, aren’t we all on the same side?  It has evolved into us against us...

Edited March 29, 2020 by Gipper

[LaSalle Lions 1976]

1 hour ago, DT said:

SB City schools would be right there with the contraction of Clay and Washington.

The quality of play on Friday nights on SB public school fields would be enhanced significantly.

 

From an economic view...that would be the correct thing to do...house them at LaSalle (former high school)

[Gipper]

2 hours ago, LaSalle Lions 1976 said:

From an economic view...that would be the correct thing to do...house them at LaSalle (former high school)

 

[oldtimeqb]

6 hours ago, coachkj said:

If everyone ignored the continual obnoxious posts about denying student athletes and communities football programs based on poor performance, would the posts go away and eventually die out?

I would hope so. As it is, i have wanted to respond to a few threads, but when they all get dragged into the same cesspool of arguments- I am afraid my comments will get missed. 

[Gipper]

1 hour ago, oldtimeqb said:

I would hope so. As it is, i have wanted to respond to a few threads, but when they all get dragged into the same cesspool of arguments- I am afraid my comments will get missed. 

Welcome to the Spin Zone.  Your words and thoughts will be twisted and manipulated...

 

Not by me though, I’m a nice guy.

[Guest DT]

9 hours ago, oldtimeqb said:

I would hope so. As it is, i have wanted to respond to a few threads, but when they all get dragged into the same cesspool of arguments- I am afraid my comments will get missed. 

Contraction is a real, legitimate issue.

Its happening all over the country.  I would not be at all surprised if rational thinking people make the decision to suspend high school football programs due to fallout from the Corona Virus.  

[Muda69]

7 minutes ago, DT said:

Contraction is a real, legitimate issue.

Its happening all over the country.  I would not be at all surprised if rational thinking people make the decision to suspend high school football programs due to fallout from the Corona Virus.  

Indeed it is: 

The Decline Of Football Is Real And It’s Accelerating: https://www.forbes.com/sites/rogerpielke/2020/01/28/the-decline-of-football-is-real-and-its-accelerating/#5d2d2c8e2f37

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In 2014 former Kansas City Chief Michael Oriard asked, “is football dying?” At the time, it might have seemed like a ridiculous question. After all, the previous fall, National Football League games occupied the top 34 of 35 most-watched television programs. Attendance at college football games had just hit an all-time high, reaching more than 44 million attendees, and more than 2.2 million boys from 6 years old through high school were playing the game.

But little did we know at the time, Oriard had accurately identified peak football. Despite the continued popularity of the National Football League (NFL) in the United States, more broadly gridiron football is in an era of rapid decline, and evidence suggests that the decline is accelerating. Here I’ll show you the data that makes these conclusions inescapable.

The figure below shows the decline in football across four metrics, youth and high school participation, college football game attendance and absolute viewership numbers for the Super Bowl (for the various sources of these data, see this preprint).

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Football's decline from peaks in youth and college participation, college attendance and NFL Super ... [+]

 ROGER PIELKE, JR.

According to data from the Aspen Institute and the National Federation of State High School Associations (NFHS), from 2008-19 to 2018-19 the total number of youths aged 6 to 18 playing tackle football fell by more than 620,000, from about 2.5 million to less than 1.9 million. It seems almost certain that 2020 or 2021 will see overall high school participation in tackle football drop to below 1 million players, a level of participation not seen since 1998. Over that same decade season attendance at top-level college games (Football Bowl Subdivision) declined by almost 10% (per school).

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The NFL’s strength notwithstanding, the broader decline of football in American culture is a topic of much concern within the sport and the subject of study among academics, but no consensus has been reached on what is driving these overall trends.

However, some reasons behind the trends are more certain than others. Most notably, there can be little doubt that Junior Seau’s suicide in 2012, Will Smith in Concussion in 2015 and the emerging science of repetitive brain impacts and long-term neurological damage have cast a dark shadow over the sport.

As a consequence, it is clear from the data that parents are increasingly keeping their young children out of football and high school boys are choosing to play other sports. Research shows increasing parental concerns about concussion risks and an increased desire to see age-based restrictions on physical contact in the sport. Such tensions over the violence of football are not new, as Kathleen Bachynski observes in her excellent book No Game for Boys to Play, “tackle football has nagged at American consciences for over a century.”

Evidence also suggests that football is becoming a more regional sport, with participation and interest most concentrated in the southeast, roughly characterized by the 11 states with universities in the Southeastern Conference (SEC).

This regionalization can be seen clearly in the figure below, which shows U.S. states characterized by increases (green shades) or decreases (orange shades) in high school football participation rates from academic years 2008-09 to 2018-19 (data from NFHS and updated from my analysis in this preprint).

Change in high school football participation by state 2008-2009 to 2018-2019. Data: NFHS

 ROGER PIELKE JR.

Of the 7 states that saw increases and the 8 with the smallest decreases (15 total) in high school football participation from 2008-19 to 2018-19, eight host universities of the SEC and one borders them (Oklahoma). Only two states with SEC schools, Missouri and Arkansas, are at odds with this relationship, having seen considerably larger declines in participation.

Outside the southeast, only Utah and Nevada saw increasing participation over the past decade. The largest declines in high school participation have all occurred in the northern tier of states. Interestingly, every state that saw a 20% or greater decline in high school participation over the past decade is north of Illinois.

The figure below shows the most recent changes in high school participation, from the 2017-18 academic year to 2018-19. Care should be taken looking only at one year’s change, but it does appear that football’s decline is continuing coast-to-coast and may even be starting to break into the southeastern U.S.

Change in high school football participation 2017-18 to 2018-19. Data: NFHS

 ROGER PIELKE JR.

The regionalization of football at the youth and college levels may be a process that reinforces itself. Consider that of the top ten states which saw increases (or the smallest decreases) in high school participation from 2008-09 to 2018-19, seven are SEC states plus Oklahoma. These seven states alone produced almost half of the top high school recruits (so-called four and five star athletes as tallied up from 2013 to 2017) to all FBS universities. By contrast the 25 states which saw the greatest decline in high school football participation over that same decade produced less than 20% of the top high school recruits to FBS schools.

If the data isn’t convincing enough, just look at the college football playoff, which has been dominated by universities of the southeast, a party crashed about a quarter of the time by universities from outside the region. The regionalization of football and its consequences will be the subject of a future column here, but to the degree that this hypothesis reflects developing trends, there will likely be increasing incentives for college football to reorganize into national conferences, like the NFL.

The decline of football has accelerated in recent years. The figure below shows that youth and high school participation declined much more rapidly over the period 2014 to 2018 than it did from 2010 to 2014 (for the various sources of these data, see this preprint). Similarly, college attendance showed almost no change from 2010 to 2014 but a 4% decline from 2014 to 2018. The total number of Super Bowl viewers increased from 2010 to 2014 but then dropped by 8% from 2014 to 2018.

Acceleration in football's decline across four measures, 2010-14 to 2014-18.

 ROGER PIELKE JR.

The implications of the decline of football, and what it might mean for youth sport, American culture and its role as the “king of sports” will be topics that I’ll continue to explore in future columns.

While football may not yet be on its deathbed, as suggested by Michael Oriard, it is in a period of rapid decline and change. This week, enjoy the Super Bowl, and know that the golden years of football of in America’s past are unlikely to resemble how the sport evolves into the 21^st century.

 

I guess if you really love high school football better move to a state with an SEC school located within it.

 

[Robert]

Usually libertarians don't want to hurt people and don't want to take things from people.

 

[Muda69]

24 minutes ago, Robert said:

Usually libertarians don't want to hurt people and don't want to take things from people.

This libertarian follows the ZAP to the best of my ability.  Do you?

 

[Robert]

4 minutes ago, Muda69 said:

This libertarian follows the ZAP to the best of my ability.  Do you?

 

I'm not really a libertarian, I'm an independent thinker.  My grandmother was a libertarian, my grandfather an independent and both parents independents.  I'm a Catholic by birth, Mennonite by choice (pacifist), and aware of other religious, political, economic, and social teachings.  I have friends on every continent, apart from the polar one (that I can think of) and genuinely try to think of the world as my home.  Now, I'm going to try to ignore the threads that I may be a part of dragging on and on. 

[Gipper]

4 minutes ago, Robert said:

I'm not really a libertarian, I'm an independent thinker.  My grandmother was a libertarian, my grandfather an independent and both parents independents.  I'm a Catholic by birth, Mennonite by choice (pacifist), and aware of other religious, political, economic, and social teachings.  I have friends on every continent, apart from the polar one (that I can think of) and genuinely try to think of the world as my home.  Now, I'm going to try to ignore the threads that I may be a part of dragging on and on. 

 

[Muda69]

2 minutes ago, Robert said:

I'm not really a libertarian, I'm an independent thinker.  My grandmother was a libertarian, my grandfather an independent and both parents independents.  I'm a Catholic by birth, Mennonite by choice (pacifist), and aware of other religious, political, economic, and social teachings.  I have friends on every continent, apart from the polar one (that I can think of) and genuinely try to think of the world as my home.  Now, I'm going to try to ignore the threads that I may be a part of dragging on and on. 

Please do.  You seem to rarely bring anything to a discussion other than navel-gazing. Must be a millennial thing.

And you do realize the words 'libertarian' and "Libertarian"  mean two different things?  A "libertarian" may or may not be a member of the "Libertarian" political party.  

 

[Robert]

1 minute ago, Muda69 said:

Please do.  You seem to rarely bring anything to a discussion other than navel-gazing. Must be a millennial thing.

And you do realize the words 'libertarian' and "Libertarian"  mean two different things?  A "libertarian" may or may not be a member of the "Libertarian" political party.  

 

I'm sorry, I can not edit.  She was a member.  Again, zero aggression seen from you.  I was born in 1971 you Ephing Turd from Ephingham.   Excuse my naval-gazing.  

 

"Zero Aggression Principle":

A libertarian is a person who believes that no one has the right, under any circumstances, to initiate force against another human being for any reason whatever; nor will a libertarian advocate the initiation of force, or delegate it to anyone else.

Those who act consistently with this principle are libertarians, whether they realize it or not. Those who fail to act consistently with it are not libertarians, regardless of what they may claim.
— L. Neil Smith

[Gipper]

We need more Renaissance Men like Robert.  Hell, it’s a good day when my socks match.

[Gipper]

8 minutes ago, Muda69 said:

Please do.  You seem to rarely bring anything to a discussion other than navel-gazing. Must be a millennial thing.

And you do realize the words 'libertarian' and "Libertarian"  mean two different things?  A "libertarian" may or may not be a member of the "Libertarian" political party.  

 

 

[Muda69]

12 minutes ago, Robert said:

I'm sorry, I can not edit.  She was a member.  Again, zero aggression seen from you.  I was born in 1971 you Ephing Turd from Ephingham.   Excuse my naval-gazing.  

 

"Zero Aggression Principle":

A libertarian is a person who believes that no one has the right, under any circumstances, to initiate force against another human being for any reason whatever; nor will a libertarian advocate the initiation of force, or delegate it to anyone else.

Those who act consistently with this principle are libertarians, whether they realize it or not. Those who fail to act consistently with it are not libertarians, regardless of what they may claim.
— L. Neil Smith

Thank you for the the obscent name calling, quite revealing.

And yes, I try my best to follow the Zero Aggression Principle.  As for Mr. Smith's little missive I don't believe the word "consistently" has the same meaning as "100% of the time".  Do you?  Are you an "Independent thinker"  100% of the time, Robert?  And what exactly is the commonly help definition of the phrase "Independent Thinker"?

 

 

[Gipper]

18 minutes ago, Gipper said:

 

To Muda: 

[Gipper]

I know I should just had left it alone, I just couldn’t...

 

Life goes on...

[gonzoron]

[Gipper]

13 minutes ago, gonzoron said:

 

[oldtimeqb]

14 hours ago, oldtimeqb said:

I would hope so. As it is, i have wanted to respond to a few threads, but when they all get dragged into the same cesspool of arguments- I am afraid my comments will get missed. 

Thanks. This thread has proved my point.