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13 minutes ago, Robert said:

I didn't get down there to read it yet, but I will.  Everyone has an opinion and the questions are good, but the virus is not very old.  We know very, very little, so we're all just giving our opinions.  I'll go up and reread.  

Who do we trust?  The doom goblins in the media?  Fauci and Birx?  Other epidemiologists?  No one knows for sure, letting this thing play out could take years. I recently watched a German soccer game with no fans, it sounded like a practice or pick up game.  I can’t help but wonder if that will be the case on the gridiron thus fall...

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23 minutes ago, Gipper said:

Who do we trust?  The doom goblins in the media?  Fauci and Birx?  Other epidemiologists?  No one knows for sure, letting this thing play out could take years. I recently watched a German soccer game with no fans, it sounded like a practice or pick up game.  I can’t help but wonder if that will be the case on the gridiron thus fall...

For the most part, I trust my doctor and his team.  He's dressed like a space man.  He wants to do things electronically, but wanted to see something in person.  Everyone was dressed like they were going to Mars.  Everyone was thorough, calm, cool, and collected.  They don't know yet.  They understand these things much more clearly than I do and they weren't taking any chances.  I lived in South America for a few years and caught a virus that knocked me on my butt.  The scary part is that it hit me several years after I left South America and it took an infectious disease specialist to find it.  I'm not taking any chances.  I could have caught it in the 1990s in Peru or in the 2000s in Ecuador.  It hit me in the middle of teaching in 2012 (I think).  I almost had to be put on half days.   

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5 minutes ago, Robert said:

For the most part, I trust my doctor and his team.  He's dressed like a space man.  He wants to do things electronically, but wanted to see something in person.  Everyone was dressed like they were going to Mars.  Everyone was thorough, calm, cool, and collected.  They don't know yet.  They understand these things much more clearly than I do and they weren't taking any chances.  I lived in South America for a few years and caught a virus that knocked me on my butt.  The scary part is that it hit me several years after I left South America and it took an infectious disease specialist to find it.  I'm not taking any chances.  I could have caught it in the 1990s in Peru or in the 2000s in Ecuador.  It hit me in the middle of teaching in 2012 (I think).  I almost had to be put on half days.   

I just had a conference call with my team.  We could be working remotely for awhile.

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2 minutes ago, Gipper said:

I just had a conference call with my team.  We could be working remotely for awhile.

Since I still teach, I have no idea what we're going to do.  There is no way that we can social distance on the busses without the kids coming every other day or every third day...whatever that would be... I can't even think about what the admins are doing, designing, or thinking right now.  We have really sick kids and teachers, tight budgets, but a strong community.

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Just now, Robert said:

Since I still teach, I have no idea what we're going to do.  There is no way that we can social distance on the busses without the kids coming every other day or every third day...whatever that would be... I can't even think about what the admins are doing, designing, or thinking right now.  We have really sick kids and teachers, tight budgets, but a strong community.

I hope it all works out for you!

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13 minutes ago, Robert said:

Since I still teach, I have no idea what we're going to do.  There is no way that we can social distance on the busses without the kids coming every other day or every third day...whatever that would be... I can't even think about what the admins are doing, designing, or thinking right now.  We have really sick kids and teachers, tight budgets, but a strong community.

Sick kids and teachers?

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26 minutes ago, Robert said:

For the most part, I trust my doctor and his team.  He's dressed like a space man.  He wants to do things electronically, but wanted to see something in person.  Everyone was dressed like they were going to Mars.  Everyone was thorough, calm, cool, and collected.  They don't know yet.  They understand these things much more clearly than I do and they weren't taking any chances.  I lived in South America for a few years and caught a virus that knocked me on my butt.  The scary part is that it hit me several years after I left South America and it took an infectious disease specialist to find it.  I'm not taking any chances.  I could have caught it in the 1990s in Peru or in the 2000s in Ecuador.  It hit me in the middle of teaching in 2012 (I think).  I almost had to be put on half days.   

Read an article the other day that was hinting directly at this.  It said that it's usually a good idea, provided that you have strong trust in your doctor, to follow their lead both in word and deed.  They also said that you have to sometimes temper the potential influence of pharma.   Great example they used was, if your eye doctor is recommending laser eye surgery for you, but wears glasses, that might be a really good time to ask additional questions and to ask why what's being prescribed is what's being adhered to by the doctor.  BTW, the question was raised in the article, what if you have a dishonest doctor or you don't trust your doctor.  The answer was pretty straight-forward ... we should spend a lot more time checking out our doctors and making sure that there's a strong trust relationship there BEFORE it ever gets to this point.

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I think anyone, that isn't just stupid or cruel, would want to force anyone with a preexisting condition's to go back to work anywhere right now including into school systems.  However since we now have a lot of data, from the CDC and other sources ,which show that this particular virus poses less risk to all age groups up to 24 years of age, I really question the reason to ever have closed the schools. 

The chart is from the CDC and clearly shows that Covid deaths for kids are significantly less than that for Influenza for the same timeframe.  This begins to change for people above 25 and get's significantly worse beginning around 45 years old and older.  Meanwhile people in the 25 to 70 year old group are all starting to go back to work(rightly so), but we are still  contemplating delaying schooling for the least vulnerable people in our population.  Doesn't make any sense to me.

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3 hours ago, Raven67 said:

If you dont think that we can have protective measures for 50 million people, then you obviously cant think we can protect the whole population correct?

Of course we can. That’s the whole point. We’ve been protecting the whole population — one of the reasons the death rate is so far below some of the projections. The problem comes when you try to protect some of the population, while allowing the remainder to go unprotected and unfettered. If there’s any other way to actually accomplish that goal besides completely isolating the vulnerable population — and their caregivers — and their families/support systems — I have yet to hear it.

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24 minutes ago, Lemmy said:

I think anyone, that isn't just stupid or cruel, would want to force anyone with a preexisting condition's to go back to work anywhere right now including into school systems.  However since we now have a lot of data, from the CDC and other sources ,which show that this particular virus poses less risk to all age groups up to 24 years of age, I really question the reason to ever have closed the schools. 

The chart is from the CDC and clearly shows that Covid deaths for kids are significantly less than that for Influenza for the same timeframe.  This begins to change for people above 25 and get's significantly worse beginning around 45 years old and older.  Meanwhile people in the 25 to 70 year old group are all starting to go back to work(rightly so), but we are still  contemplating delaying schooling for the least vulnerable people in our population.  Doesn't make any sense to me.

CDC data

 

Fear and “unknown”. 

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54 minutes ago, DannEllenwood said:

Fear and “unknown”. 

And history of other viruses to look at.  Some are using history, some are using their opinions, some are using the almighty dollar. 

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1 hour ago, Lemmy said:

I think anyone, that isn't just stupid or cruel, would want to force anyone with a preexisting condition's to go back to work anywhere right now including into school systems.  However since we now have a lot of data, from the CDC and other sources ,which show that this particular virus poses less risk to all age groups up to 24 years of age, I really question the reason to ever have closed the schools. 

The chart is from the CDC and clearly shows that Covid deaths for kids are significantly less than that for Influenza for the same timeframe.  This begins to change for people above 25 and get's significantly worse beginning around 45 years old and older.  Meanwhile people in the 25 to 70 year old group are all starting to go back to work(rightly so), but we are still  contemplating delaying schooling for the least vulnerable people in our population.  Doesn't make any sense to me.

CDC data

 

I won't say stupid or cruel, but I've worked with some doozy admins and have seen some board members that I shake my head at.  

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11 minutes ago, Robert said:

I won't say stupid or cruel, but I've worked with some doozy admins and have seen some board members that I shake my head at.  

There is no doubt about that, however my point would be if we can open up factories that employ 1000's of people, many of which aren't pictures of health, what is the justification to continue to keep schools closed?  Pre-existing conditions(immune deficiency, type-1 diabletes, etc...) would need to be excluded.  However if; factory workers, engineers, all trades, retail workers, waiter's and waitresses are all returning to work why can't teachers?   

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2 hours ago, Bobref said:

Of course we can. That’s the whole point. We’ve been protecting the whole population — one of the reasons the death rate is so far below some of the projections. The problem comes when you try to protect some of the population, while allowing the remainder to go unprotected and unfettered. If there’s any other way to actually accomplish that goal besides completely isolating the vulnerable population — and their caregivers — and their families/support systems — I have yet to hear it.

No winning with you..  typical offical..

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59 minutes ago, Lemmy said:

There is no doubt about that, however my point would be if we can open up factories that employ 1000's of people, many of which aren't pictures of health, what is the justification to continue to keep schools closed?  Pre-existing conditions(immune deficiency, type-1 diabletes, etc...) would need to be excluded.  However if; factory workers, engineers, all trades, retail workers, waiter's and waitresses are all returning to work why can't teachers?   

This is my point. We are forcing taco bell workers to be essential.. i feel teachers are essential as well. Unless of course you have a serious underlying health condition. Or are over 60... kids are not dying from covid. Let them play, let them go to school.. let them have their mental health back. 

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1 hour ago, Lemmy said:

There is no doubt about that, however my point would be if we can open up factories that employ 1000's of people, many of which aren't pictures of health, what is the justification to continue to keep schools closed?  Pre-existing conditions(immune deficiency, type-1 diabletes, etc...) would need to be excluded.  However if; factory workers, engineers, all trades, retail workers, waiter's and waitresses are all returning to work why can't teachers?   

Understood.  I'm sure that the people I read on Facebook simply aren't advocating for themselves, don't have the diseases they say they have, AND I'm QB'ing from my kitchen table. 

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Purdue will be open this fall.  It is unknown if there will a football season, but if there is, there will most likely be controls on the number of spectators.  Conversely, if there is a high school football season, expect similar controls.

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49 minutes ago, Raven67 said:

This is my point. We are forcing taco bell workers to be essential.. i feel teachers are essential as well. Unless of course you have a serious underlying health condition. Or are over 60... kids are not dying from covid. Let them play, let them go to school.. let them have their mental health back. 

Sounds like the politicians who want factory workers to work into their 70s.  Kind of.  I understand, it's a give and take, but I know a very healthy principal who nearly died.  

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50 minutes ago, Raven67 said:

This is my point. We are forcing taco bell workers to be essential.. i feel teachers are essential as well. Unless of course you have a serious underlying health condition. Or are over 60... kids are not dying from covid. Let them play, let them go to school.. let them have their mental health back. 

Yo quiero Taco Bell.

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2 hours ago, Raven67 said:

No winning with you..  typical offical..

😂🤣😅😜

I assure you, I am not a “typical” official ... whatever that is. But that is neither here nor there. It’s hard to interpret your response as anything other than throwing in the towel. 

In the final analysis, though, I think you’re right about at least one thing. There really is no obviously correct answer to many of these questions. The difference between us is that I care about the answers, and you don’t. 

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