Guest DT Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 (edited) The COVID Pandemic has changed life for all of us and left a trail of economic, social and personal destruction in its considerable wake. There will be many casualties, including business and institutions that will not make a comeback after the virus has run its deadly course. Athletic departments across the state and the country are currently evaluating their return to campus gameplans, and some are likely considering shutting down expensive and chronically ailing prep footfall programs. Our contraction focus up to this point has centered on schools who are experiencing severe numbers challenges, and those that are shutting down due to consolidation or school closures. The following list focuses on schools who suffer from chronic noncompetitive football, and given the challenges schools are currently facing, ADs should seriously consider whether continued investment in these programs makes sense : Anderson : 9-42 over the past 5 seasons following the closure of Highland. Why bother? Its a basketball school. Benton Central : 5-45 over the past 5 seasons. they will never get over the hump in this conference. Time to stop the bleeding Caston : 4-48 over the past 5 seasons. Stick a fork in em. These kids would be better off spending more time on the family farm. Dugger Union : 0-21 last 3 seasons. . "Unite the Klans" has not worked. Just hoop it already. Edinburgh : 2-28 over last 3 seasons. Thats about as good as it gets. Got too be something more productive for these kids to do with their time. Fort Wayne South : 6-46 over past 5 seasons. Clearly one too many teams in The Fort. Put these guys out of their misery. They dont even bother changing coaches. Frankfort : 3-37 last 4 seasons. Demographics are working against the football program, as is everything else. Just play soccer. Thats what the community wants. Gary Roosevelt : 0-10 last year. Time to funnel all public school football to West Side and be done with it. Indy Shortridge or Indy Washington - Indy only needs one small public football school Indy Manual or Indy Howe : Indy needs only one medium public football school. Tech is the large Indy public football school. Madison : 5-45 last 5 years. Maybe losing has become just too much for these kids and this community. They have enough problems to deal with as it is. Perry Meridian : 2-28 last 3 seasons. Does anybody see this getting better? Southport , Roncalli and Franklin Central have all the football players. PM gets the wrestlers It is what it is Shelbyville : 1-19 last two seasons. May be too far gone. South Bend Clay : 2-47 last 5 years. This would be a mercy killing. South Newton : 1-39 last 4 seasons. Combine with NN and hope for the best. Edited June 4, 2020 by DT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WWFan Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 Shocked Crawford County isn't here! SHOCKED!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gipper Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 It doesn’t matter who’s on the list or not because it’s a pipe dream at best. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheStatGuy Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, DT said: The COVID Pandemic has changed life for all of us and left a trail of economic, social and personal destruction in its considerable wake. There will be many casualties, including business and institutions that will not make a comeback after the virus has run its deadly course. Athletic departments across the state and the country are currently evaluating their return to campus gameplans, and some are likely considering shutting down expensive and chronically ailing prep footfall programs. Our contraction focus up to this point has centered on schools who are experiencing severe numbers challenges, and those that are shutting down due to consolidation or school closures. The following list focuses on schools who suffer from chronic noncompetitive football, and given the challenges schools are currently facing, ADs should seriously consider whether continued investment in these programs makes sense : Anderson : 9-42 over the past 5 seasons following the closure of Highland. Why bother? Its a basketball school. Benton Central : 5-45 over the past 5 seasons. they will never get over the hump in this conference. Time to stop the bleeding Caston : 4-48 over the past 5 seasons. Stick a fork in em. These kids would be better off spending more time on the family farm. Dugger Union : 0-21 last 3 seasons. . "Unite the Klans" has not worked. Just hoop it already. Edinburgh : 2-28 over last 3 seasons. Thats about as good as it gets. Got too be something more productive for these kids to do with their time. Fort Wayne South : 6-46 over past 5 seasons. Clearly one too many teams in The Fort. Put these guys out of their misery. They dont even bother changing coaches. Frankfort : 3-37 last 4 seasons. Demographics are working against the football program, as is everything else. Just play soccer. Thats what the community wants. Gary Roosevelt : 0-10 last year. Time to funnel all public school football to West Side and be done with it. Indy Shortridge or Indy Washington - Indy only needs one small public football school Indy Manual or Indy Howe : Indy needs only one medium public football school. Tech is the large Indy public football school. Madison : 5-45 last 5 years. Maybe losing has become just too much for these kids and this community. They have enough problems to deal with as it is. Perry Meridian : 2-28 last 3 seasons. Does anybody see this getting better? Southport , Roncalli and Franklin Central have all the football players. PM gets the wrestlers It is what it is Shelbyville : 1-19 last two seasons. May be too far gone. South Bend Clay : 2-47 last 5 years. This would be a mercy killing. South Newton : 1-39 last 4 seasons. Combine with NN and hope for the best. South Newton the 4 previous seasons before the 1-39.. 18-23 with 2 winning seasons... Add the year before.. They are 29-25.. With 3 winning seasons and a sectional title and a sectional runner up. Caston is 4-46 since 2015. 5 seasons before that.. 24-32 with 2 winning seasons..add the year before 32-35... With 3 winning seasons and 2 sectional final appearances. Isnt Indianapolis Howe closed? If you are gonna post stuff.. Might as well look up things first. Edited June 4, 2020 by Ultimate Warrior 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gipper Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 Although it is fruitless to take any of these wild, borderline inane scenarios seriously, I can debunk one. Newton County is too big geographically for one high school. It would be a logistical nightmare. And as I’ve said time and again, small school athletics are cyclical—sometimes you’re good, other times, not so much. Case in point: the Midwest Conference. I recall SN beating opponents 33-0, only to have lost by that same score a few years prior. Continuing with the MWC, former member Pioneer was not always the force it is now, as Frontier High School was the big deal in the early 1980s before their slide. Things are better in Chalmers now. North Newton also saw a lot of success years ago (although they were not really in the league at the time), but they had some really bad years, but look to be on the upswing. North White won state years ago, but couldn’t maintain it, but again, they’re hanging in there. Lastly, both Tri-County and West Central are both very similar to the Rebels by having both good and bad seasons. This affirms my point, they play for the unrequited love of the game and to represent their school. Case closed. 5 minutes ago, Ultimate Warrior said: South Newton the 4 previous seasons before the 1-39.. 18-23 with 2 winning seasons... Add the year before.. They are 29-25.. With 3 winning seasons and a sectional title and a sectional runner up. Caston is 4-46 since 2015. 5 seasons before that.. 24-32 with 2 winning seasons..add the year before 32-35... With 3 winning seasons and 2 sectional final appearances. Isnt Indianapolis Howe closed? If you are gonna post stuff.. Might as well look up things first. Very true, but it doesn’t support his narrative. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 36 minutes ago, Ultimate Warrior said: South Newton the 4 previous seasons before the 1-39.. 18-23 with 2 winning seasons... Add the year before.. They are 29-25.. With 3 winning seasons and a sectional title and a sectional runner up. Caston is 4-46 since 2015. 5 seasons before that.. 24-32 with 2 winning seasons..add the year before 32-35... With 3 winning seasons and 2 sectional final appearances. Isnt Indianapolis Howe closed? If you are gonna post stuff.. Might as well look up things first. Pot meet kettle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheStatGuy Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 Just now, DannEllenwood said: Pot meet kettle. I actually look stuff up and post facts to back up my statements. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 See you all 8/14. 14 minutes ago, Ultimate Warrior said: I actually look stuff up and post facts to back up my statements. Then you are doing it wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheStatGuy Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 33 minutes ago, Gipper said: Although it is fruitless to take any of these wild, borderline inane scenarios seriously, I can debunk one. Newton County is too big geographically for one high school. It would be a logistical nightmare. And as I’ve said time and again, small school athletics are cyclical—sometimes you’re good, other times, not so much. Case in point: the Midwest Conference. I recall SN beating opponents 33-0, only to have lost by that same score a few years prior. Continuing with the MWC, former member Pioneer was not always the force it is now, as Frontier High School was the big deal in the early 1980s before their slide. Things are better in Chalmers now. North Newton also saw a lot of success years ago (although they were not really in the league at the time), but they had some really bad years, but look to be on the upswing. North White won state years ago, but couldn’t maintain it, but again, they’re hanging in there. Lastly, both Tri-County and West Central are both very similar to the Rebels by having both good and bad seasons. This affirms my point, they play for the unrequited love of the game and to represent their school. Case closed. Very true, but it doesn’t support his narrative. Im glad Winamac got of the MWC. Ill say that much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gipper Posted June 5, 2020 Share Posted June 5, 2020 (edited) 28 minutes ago, Ultimate Warrior said: Im glad Winamac got of the MWC. Ill say that much. It was a long haul up there. The MWC just got too big, I like the current slate, BUT since expansion domnates these threads... Benton Central--decent hoops school, football no so much Delphi--similar former Hoosier Conference school Central Catholic--geographically desirable, would hopefully elevate the level of play because their teams are so damn good Triton--much like West Central, how much are they enjoying the HNAC? Watseka, IL--their current conference takes up a lot of real estsre, NN, SN, and TC are as close. Even Boone Grove could make a shed of sense. Edited June 5, 2020 by Gipper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gipper Posted June 5, 2020 Share Posted June 5, 2020 1 hour ago, Ultimate Warrior said: South Newton the 4 previous seasons before the 1-39.. 18-23 with 2 winning seasons... Add the year before.. They are 29-25.. With 3 winning seasons and a sectional title and a sectional runner up. Caston is 4-46 since 2015. 5 seasons before that.. 24-32 with 2 winning seasons..add the year before 32-35... With 3 winning seasons and 2 sectional final appearances. Isnt Indianapolis Howe closed? If you are gonna post stuff.. Might as well look up things first. SN also played in the semi-state a few yesrs back and gave Sheridan all they could handle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobref Posted June 5, 2020 Share Posted June 5, 2020 2 minutes ago, Gipper said: SN also played in the semi-state a few yesrs back and gave Sheridan all they could handle. As a matter of historical accuracy, that was 2006. And Sheridan won by 30 pts. The game was never close. But the Rebels’ QB was phenomenal. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheStatGuy Posted June 5, 2020 Share Posted June 5, 2020 8 minutes ago, Bobref said: As a matter of historical accuracy, that was 2006. And Sheridan won by 30 pts. The game was never close. But the Rebels’ QB was phenomenal. Right in my wheel house... Funny thing is.. That senior class at SN never won a single game in middle school in football and were absolute trash in basketball (we weren't good and beat them by 20+) Why sometimes its hard to judge kids at that level! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gipper Posted June 5, 2020 Share Posted June 5, 2020 21 minutes ago, Bobref said: As a matter of historical accuracy, that was 2006. And Sheridan won by 30 pts. The game was never close. But the Rebels’ QB was phenomenal. To provide a little more historical accuracy, Eric Watt was the QB. Regardless of outcome, making deep runs in the tourney is a damn good thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzoron Posted June 5, 2020 Share Posted June 5, 2020 1 hour ago, Ultimate Warrior said: Isnt Indianapolis Howe closed? No. Howe Military is. Far North central Indiana. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foxbat Posted June 5, 2020 Share Posted June 5, 2020 48 minutes ago, Gipper said: It was a long haul up there. The MWC just got too big, I like the current slate, BUT since expansion domnates these threads... Central Catholic--geographically desirable, would hopefully elevate the level of play because their teams are so damn good Has probably everything it needs/wants in the Hoosier Conference. Good mix of classes, good mix of offenses and defenses they face, good mix of competitiveness in the different classes, a good cross-river rivalry, etc. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gipper Posted June 5, 2020 Share Posted June 5, 2020 3 minutes ago, foxbat said: Has probably everything it needs/wants in the Hoosier Conference. Good mix of classes, good mix of offenses and defenses they face, good mix of competitiveness in the different classes, a good cross-river rivalry, etc. I'd have to agree... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 5, 2020 Share Posted June 5, 2020 38 minutes ago, gonzoron said: No. Howe Military is. Far North central Indiana. Both actually. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzoron Posted June 5, 2020 Share Posted June 5, 2020 27 minutes ago, Temptation said: Both actually. good deal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DT Posted June 5, 2020 Share Posted June 5, 2020 INDIANAPOLIS HOWE 2019 SEASON (3-6) Coach: Terry Pendleton Aug. 23 Covenant Christian L 8 21 Aug. 30 at Lexington Catholic (Ky.) L 0 29 Sep. 13 at Indianapolis Attucks L 8 28 Sep. 20 Indianapolis Washington W 31 0 Sep. 27 at Indianapolis Manual W 26 20 Oct. 4 at Park Tudor W 20 7 Oct. 11 Heritage Christian L 6 33 Oct. 19 at Bowman Academy L 24 28 Oct. 25 at Shenandoah L 12 32 sec Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanteEstonia Posted June 5, 2020 Share Posted June 5, 2020 5 hours ago, DT said: Madison : 5-45 last 5 years. Maybe losing has become just too much for these kids and this community. They have enough problems to deal with as it is. Madison made the mistake of staying in the HHC 5-10 years longer than what they should have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DT Posted June 5, 2020 Share Posted June 5, 2020 3 hours ago, Ultimate Warrior said: South Newton the 4 previous seasons before the 1-39.. 18-23 with 2 winning seasons... Add the year before.. They are 29-25.. With 3 winning seasons and a sectional title and a sectional runner up. Caston is 4-46 since 2015. 5 seasons before that.. 24-32 with 2 winning seasons..add the year before 32-35... With 3 winning seasons and 2 sectional final appearances. Isnt Indianapolis Howe closed? If you are gonna post stuff.. Might as well look up things first. Ask yourself: Given the current set of conditions many schools are facing today, what is the liklihood that some of these downtrodden programs will ever have a chance to relive their earlier successes? We are in a different time now. Priorities are much different today. Football is facing massive headwinds it has never faced before. As a parent, I would not allow my son to participate at programs like Clay, FW South, Frankfort, Shelbyville, etc. Clearly, those schools all lack the manpower and resources of other schools in their respective conferences. They choose not to invest in football. Why would I ant to expose my son to that type of atmosphere. Those kids are not experiencing or enjoying high school football. They are surviving it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gipper Posted June 5, 2020 Share Posted June 5, 2020 South Newton has a relatively young team. They'll be good in 2021--book it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gipper Posted June 5, 2020 Share Posted June 5, 2020 2 hours ago, Bobref said: As a matter of historical accuracy, that was 2006. And Sheridan won by 30 pts. The game was never close. But the Rebels’ QB was phenomenal. Provide a box score. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 5, 2020 Share Posted June 5, 2020 30 minutes ago, Gipper said: Provide a box score. I’m gonna go out on a limb here and say his word is AS GOOD as a box score. I would presume Mr. Bob had a great “Madden-esque” view of the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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