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So this is happening in Seattle right.

https://www.capitolhillseattle.com/2020/06/welcome-to-free-capitol-hill-capitol-hill-autonomous-zone-forms-around-emptied-east-precinct/

‘Welcome to Free Capitol Hill’ — Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone forms around emptied East Precinct — UPDATE

 

With reporting by Jake Goldstein-Street and Alex Garland

The first night in the so-called Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone that has formed in the wake of police giving up the week-long blockade of the East Precinct was rainy and peaceful and full of speeches from activists, agitators, poets, and socialist city council members.

“I guess whatever the fuck we’re doing is effective,” one organizer identified as Magik said over a megaphone early in the night as police were still clearing the area. “They are going to move up. They are going to get everybody out of here and we are free to move through these streets and protest and march.”

“Yesterday we were on 11th and Pine. Today we have victory on 12th and Pine. They tried to stop us!,” another exclaimed.

The night brought tense moments but compared to the previous week of blast balls and clouds of gas and pepper spray, Pike/Pine was calm if not quiet — the county sheriff’s helicopter stayed circling overhead until midnight providing observations to SPD command on the ground and often drowning out speeches below. The only major reported conflict came when a TV news crew for the local Fox affiliate was temporarily chased from the scene and took up refuge in the nearby fire station.

The surprise pullback of SPD riot police and National Guard troops came together quickly Monday afternoon after a day of hastily clearing out equipment, moving trucks, and reports of a “mobile shredding unit” at the building at 12th and Pine that is home to the East Precinct headquarters as well as department office facilities. “The decision has been made to allow demonstrators to march past the East Precinct later today,” an announcement sent to department staff about the decision to close the building read. “Additional measures are currently underway to enhance our ongoing efforts to insure the security of our East Precinct and provide for the safety of all our officers.”

“The East Precinct will remain staffed,” the announcement concluded. CHS observed officers being dispatched from mobile locations away from 12th and Pine. The building is empty and windows covered with plywood. By morning, the wood was covered with graffiti giving the precinct an unexpected continuity with much of the rest of the neighborhood as many businesses are still in the process of reopening after weeks of COVID-19 restrictions.

The pullback and boarding-up of the precinct follows a Sunday night conflagration described by many as the most aggressive show of crowd control firepower yet by SPD that came only hours after a Mayor Jenny Durkan speech on deescalation.

Monday night, Durkan remained silent on the developments at the precinct until late into the night.


At 11:20 PM some seven hours after Chief Carmen Best held a hastily arranged press briefing outside the facility, the mayor tweeted that the retreat is “an effort to proactively de-escalate interactions between protestors and law enforcement outside the East Precinct” and said Best had ordered the barricades surrounding the East Precinct removed and secured the building.

“Keeping demonstrations peaceful must be a joint effort between our community members and law enforcement,” Durkan said. “I am hopeful that tonight, with these operational changes, our city can peacefully move forward together.”

A city representative also tells CHS that Seattle Fire removed “many personal effects of the officers normally stationed in the East Precinct” as part of a “proactive effort to guard against potential damage or fire.”

The Seattle Department of Neighborhoods, meanwhile, sent an ominous sounding message to area businesses and organizations that warns of a “credible threat” to burn the precinct building down, notifying them that the building and nearby apartment buildings were to be assessed for possible treatment with “a biodegradable foam fire suppressant” by the Seattle Fire Department as a preventative measure.

Sunday after a week of protests and frequent clashes and outbreaks of heavy-handed crowd control tactics, Durkan had made the case for why SPD must mount a strong defense of the precinct headquarters due to what she said was “specific information from the FBI” about threats to the 12th and Pine facility and other buildings in Seattle.

Those fears proved to be unwarranted on the first night of occupation following the East Precinct’s exit.

Tuesday morning
The first morning brought a new configuration to the streets. The police barricades and walls left behind have provided protesters the resources they need to create their own path through the neighborhood. Barriers have been dragged into a zig zag maze to block traffic from passing through 12th Ave or up and down E Pine with a steady stream of cars and trucks performing u-turns and three-point turns to avoid the blockades. Tent shelters have been put up to help keep volunteers dry at the edges of the core around 12th and Pine. At one on the southeast corner of the intersection, a few people sat around while one approached CHS and encouraged “white people” to come to the scene and help them hold the block. Above the walled-off entrance to the building, the sign has been spray painted to now read “SEATTLE PEOPLE DEPARTMENT EAST PRECINCT.”

 
 

The groups are not yet camped out but organizers say they are prepared to stay in the area replenished with marches and rallies until demands over cuts to the SPD budget and more spending on social programs are met.

Meanwhile, neighbors come and go through the mazes, many taking pictures of the scene, other urgently walking tiny dogs.

Those shocked by vandalism and graffiti should look away. Tagging and paint jobs abound from Cal Anderson to E Union. Seattle Public Utilities, meanwhile was at the scene with a large crew of contractors clearing up debris. As crews grabbed a pile of signs, one volunteer ran over. “Those aren’t trash!” she said as the nonplussed worker dropped the pile of soggy boards and cardboard back to the sidewalk.

The mayor said previously she hoped the crews would help to clean up the area daily. The city is also maintaining chemical toilets in Cal Anderson and will add a new bank of toilets outside Seattle Central on Broadway in a bid to avoid the health problems that dogged the neighborhood’s Occupy camp nearly a decade ago.

Neighborhood businesses, meanwhile, are in limbo. As reopening continues under COVID-19 restrictions, some near the main protest area have been damaged by blast ball explosions and need to be cleaned of residue left by the massive clouds of tear gas and pepper spray that filled the streets.

Residents in the area are also getting used to the new status near the precinct. Many of them played key roles in documenting and providing live updates of the protests from above the scene.

Politics not umbrellas
Instead of umbrellas, water bottles and rocks, Durkan and SPD officials instead are now facing political threats.

“What we are seeing now is an uprising. A rebellion of young people. Not just nationwide but globally,” District 3 representative and longtime Durkan critic Kshama Sawant said in her time at the community microphone during Monday night’s rally and speeches.

“Two years ago, there was a police contract up for the vote. It was a bad contract. It was a racist contract,” she said to boos. “It was going to roll back the limited accountability measures that were hard fought for by community members. And the community spoke with one voice and pleaded — pleaded — with Mayor Durkan and the City Council, ‘Please vote no.’ What do you think happened?”

“I was the only ‘no’ vote on that contract,” Sawant said. “We have to remember that what built the movement is not people who are in power that may look like you or me. But it is people who have shown to through their actions that they are in solidarity with ordinary people in marginalized communities.”

 

Tuesday night, Sawant and her staff are planning to hold a meeting in Cal Anderson on initiative to ban chemical weapons and #DefundPolice demands of cutting the SPD budget. The future of the emptied East Precinct building will also likely be a point of discussion. The session will also be live streamed on the council member’s various social media channels. Demonstrators at the scene CHS talked with Tuesday morning said they would likely attend the meeting given its proximity to the ground they hope to hold at 12th and Pine but it’s clear that many remain skeptical of aligning directly with the Socialist Alternative leader.

As for the greater goals that have emerged for the various community groups and activists involved in the protests, the Seattle City Council on Monday discussed the possibility of cutting the police department’s budget and restricting the use of chemical agents amid rising calls for the mayor’s resignation.

Sunday’s demonstrations were the most chaotic at the 11th and Pine intersection, with a man driving a car into the crowd and shooting one protester as well as aggressive dispersal measures from police hours later as demonstrators pushed forward up Pike within feet of the line of law enforcement.

Tear gas was deployed by police, despite the mayor’s 30-day ban on the use of the chemical agent in most circumstances.

Sawant, who was at the front of the demonstration after giving a speech a few hours earlier at another protest in Rainier Beach, said she was maced as tensions escalated around midnight.

Sawant on Monday introduced two pieces of legislation related to police handling of the protests. One would ban the use of all types of chemical weapons and the other would ban police from employing chokeholds.

“Seattle police are attacking peaceful protesters daily, from young children to the elderly, with chemical weapons that are internationally banned in warfare,” Sawant said in a Monday afternoon meeting of the full council. “The police had come prepared to inflict violence without provocation.”

On Saturday night, the protesters again saw explosives used by law enforcement as they pushed the barricade closer to police who subsequently deployed pepper spray and non-tear gas explosives in an attempt to disperse demonstrators.

The council appeared to be united in prohibiting the use of tear gas by law enforcement and many council members seemed receptive to the idea of defunding the police in some way.

Council member Alex Pedersen representing Northeast Seattle said that while he believes “most of our police officers are good people, but they’re working within a tainted institution. We need to boldly rethink and change things.”

Four council members joined with more than 20 other local elected officials in signing a letter calling for a demilitarization of the police force and redirecting funding from SPD to community-based alternatives.

Sawant has also been vocal in calling for Durkan’s resignation after more than a week of conflict between protesters and police across Seattle. At a peaceful protest with minimal police presence on Sunday afternoon in Rainier Beach, Sawant said that if Durkan doesn’t resign, she will bring articles of impeachment against her.

It would take six of the nine council members to vote to remove the mayor from office.

Citywide representative Teresa Mosquedawho attended Saturday night’s demonstration on Capitol Hill with other elected officials, joined Sawant in this call Monday, saying that Durkan should “ask herself if she’s the right leader and resign.”

Mosqueda, who chairs the council’s budget committee, also announced that the council will be “launching an inquest into Seattle Police Department’s budget.”

“What we’re hearing from community right now is that our residents do not feel safe in our own city from police,” she said in the council’s Monday morning briefing. “Unlike past practices, we are not going to nibble around the edges of the mayor’s proposed budget.”

Mosqueda added that the council would not pass the mayor’s budget until it has the opportunity to get a “full, thorough, and simultaneous transparent deep dive” into the SPD’s funding.

“I am committed to defunding the police; to using most of that money, 50% ideally, to invest back into communities that we failed,” she said, citing possible investments in low-barrier housing options, permanent supportive housing, and equitable transit.

South Seattle rep Tammy Morales, who attended the thousands-strong march in the Rainier Valley Sunday afternoon, called the mayor’s response tone deaf and said “perhaps it’s time for her to consider resigning.”

Morales also cited a letter from the co-leaders of the city’s Race and Social Justice Initiative change team that calls for a defunding of the police department by at least 50%, an expansion of investments in Black and brown communities, and an increase in police accountability.

Accountability measures the group mentions include not prosecuting protesters, a full review of past killings by SPD, making officers’ uniforms easily identifiable to the community, and renegotiating the SPD’s union contract.

Council meetings on the budget will begin Wednesday.

UPDATE 3:55 PM: Responding to reports from CHS and others of SPD using area schools including Bailey Gatzert and Lowell to stage and park equipment in preparation for possible responses to protests following the clearance of the East Precinct, Seattle Public Schools has released.a statement saying they informed SPD “they may not use our parking lots or school buildings to stage SWAT and the National Guard” and that the district has been informed “this will not happen again”

Last night, we learned that SPD, SWAT, and the National Guard used Seattle Public Schools property as a staging area in their response to protests. We did not give permission, nor condone, the use of SPS property for staging of militarized police or actual military. Schools should be safe, welcoming places for students to learn. Many of the spaces militarized police occupied are used for distribution of meals, learning packets, books, and health resources. These are spaces for student learning and supports, not for militarized responses. @SeattleSupt has contacted SPD and informed them that they may not use our parking lots or school buildings to stage SWAT and the National Guard, and has been assured that this will not happen again.

There are alternatives SPD can turn to. A staging area was also identified Monday night in Volunteer Park. Meanwhile over the weekend, CHS found scores of SPD patrol vehicles parked in a North Capitol Hill parking lot of a private school. We were told that East Precinct was on mobile status and CHS agreed not to publish the location. It’s not clear if Seattle Public Schools is extending its prohibition to standard patrol use. Other options for SPD could be area churches and parking lots at private clubs or businesses. UPDATEx2: Police were also reported utilizing staging areas at Seattle University and Seattle Academy. UPDATEx3: And now Seattle U has put out a statement that the university “has asked SPD not to use the campus or our parking lots.”

 

Well - Here we go.  Is this going to be a real test of anarchy?

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2020/06/watching_in_real_time_as_seattle_descends_into_anarchy.html?fbclid=IwAR1u4YjiLsD2jPbd7JWm3-yusF-DQMsbAwqcWwioZISqaO-gdbLaZ0vKOb8

Seattle has been making big news in the last couple of days. The first major story emerged Tuesday when police ceded an entire neighborhood to Antifa and Black Lives Matter, representatives of which barricaded a large segment of the Capitol Hill neighborhood and declared the area an “autonomous” community, separate from Seattle itself. The second newsworthy story occurred when thousands of leftist protesters led by Black Lives Matter and Antifa entered City Hall shortly after midnight on Wednesday, demanding that Mayor Jenny Durkan (a Democrat) resign.

On Tuesday, the police in Seattle’s Eastern District had initially battled with the rioters, using tear gas and flashbangs. Eventually, recognizing that anything short of a military-style defense was a waste of police time and put police lives at risk, the police abandoned the Eastern Precinct. They shredded important and confidential documents, boarded up the windows, and walked away, leaving the people whom they serve to the mob’s mercy.

The mob set up barricades around the streets and announced a new independent community called the “Capitol Hill autonomous zone” or “Free Capitol Hill.” Because this is Seattle, residents of the city, rather than looking at the probably and imminent end of a comfortable life predicated on the smooth functioning of modern civil services (law enforcement, food delivery, garbage pick-ups, street cleaning, etc.), immediately donated huge amounts of food, water, and medical supplies to allow the anarchists to settle in for a long siege.

Currently, people are boasting about how Utopian the whole thing is.

That will not last. Utopia never does. If this “utopian” community is allowed to remain there, it’s a good bet that anarchy will become the norm and that the revolutionaries will start turning on each other. If the people want anarchy, perhaps it’s time to give it to them good and hard. Here are some more scenes from life in Antifa-land (language alert):

 
 

 

Here’s the second big story out of the People's Republic of Seattle: While Black Lives Matter, Antifa, and other anarch-socialists were making a new world on Capitol Hill, another battalion successfully invaded Seattle’s city hall. The mob didn’t even have to break in. Seattle councilmember Kshama Sawant, an Indian-born member of the Socialist Alternative party, unlocked the door for them with her key:

Once in, the mob demanded that Mayor Jenny Durkan resign, claiming that her refusal to defund the police means she supports the apparent orgy of police brutality in Seattle. (Seattle, of course, is an entirely Democrat-run city.) Hotep Jesus noted something interesting about the mob:

There’s a saying that America’s 50 states are each laboratories of democracy. The same can be said for its many cities and towns. Seattle is embarking on a grand experiment that sees white leftists virtue signal themselves into turning their rather lovely city into an anarchist experiment. This should be interesting.

 

The mob didn’t even have to break in. Seattle councilmember Kshama Sawant, an Indian-born member of the Socialist Alternative party, unlocked the door for them with her key:

How's that for a council member?

 

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https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/11/us/seattle-autonomous-zone.html

Free Food, Free Speech and Free of Police: Inside Seattle’s ‘Autonomous Zone’

President Trump challenged Seattle’s mayor to “take back your city” after police vacated a precinct and protesters laid claim to the neighborhood around it.

  • June 11, 2020Updated 8:48 a.m. ET

SEATTLE — On the streets next to a police precinct in Seattle’s Capitol Hill neighborhood, protesters and officers spent a week locked in a nightly cycle of standoffs, at times ending with clouds of tear gas.

But facing a growing backlash over its dispersal tactics in the aftermath of George Floyd’s death in Minneapolis, the Seattle Police Department this week offered a concession: Officers would abandon their precinct, board up the windows and let the protesters have free rein outside.

In a neighborhood that is the heart of the city’s art and culture — threatened these days as rising tech wealth brings in gentrification — protesters seized the moment. They reversed the barricades to shield the liberated streets and laid claim to several city blocks, now known as the “Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone.”

“This space is now property of the Seattle people,” read a banner on the front entrance of the now-empty police station. The entire area was now a homeland for racial justice — and, depending on the protester one talked to, perhaps something more.

What has emerged is an experiment in life without the police — part street festival, part commune. Hundreds have gathered to hear speeches, poetry and music. On Tuesday night, dozens of people sat in the middle of an intersection to watch “13th,” the Ava DuVernay film about the criminal justice system’s impact on African-Americans. On Wednesday, children made chalk drawings in the middle of the street.

One block had a designated smoking area. Another had a medic station. At the “No Cop Co-op,” people could pick up a free LaCroix sparkling water or a snack. No currency was accepted, but across the street, in a nod to capitalism, a bustling stand was selling $6 hot dogs. It was dealing in U.S. dollars.

On Wednesday night, President Trump tried to portray the scenes in the city as something more sinister. He called for government leaders to crack down on the protesters, declaring on Twitter that “Domestic Terrorists have taken over Seattle.”

“Take back your city NOW,” Mr. Trump wrote in a tweet directed at Mayor Jenny Durkan and Gov. Jay Inslee. “If you don’t do it, I will. This is not a game.”

Ms. Durkan responded with a tweet of her own: “Make us all safe. Go back to your bunker.”

The protest zone has increasingly functioned with the tacit blessing of the city. Harold Scoggins, the fire chief, was there on Wednesday, chatting with protesters, helping set up a call with the police department and making sure the area had portable toilets and sanitation services.

“I have no idea where we’re headed,” Mr. Scoggins said in an interview. “We’ve been working step by step on how to build a relationship, build trust in small things, so we can figure this out together.”

The demonstrators have also been trying to figure it out, with various factions voicing different priorities. A list of three demands was posted prominently on a wall: One, defund the police department; two, fund community health; and three, drop all criminal charges against protesters.

But on a nearby fence, there was a list of five demands. Online was a list of 30.

While Mr. Floyd’s death in Minneapolis drove most of the energy in the streets toward ending police violence and racial injustice, some of those here in recent days have pushed for a wider focus. Some of the messages mirror the 2011 Occupy movement and seemed aimed at targeting corporate America for its role in social inequities.

“The more we encourage and focus on the race thing, the greater our attention is not focusing on the fact that this is class warfare,” said a 28-year-old protester and self-described anarchist who identified himself only by his first name, Fredrix.

On Tuesday night, Kshama Sawant, a City Council member affiliated with the Socialist Alternative Party, led protesters down to City Hall, holding a gathering inside the building in which she promoted her plan to tax Amazon, which is headquartered in the city.

But some of those who mobilized here over race and policing have begun to worry that these broader priorities could cloud the agenda at a time when vital progress for African-Americans seemed within reach.

“We should focus on just this one thing first,” said Moe’Neyah Dene Holland, 19, a Black Lives Matter activist. “The other things can follow suit. Because honestly, black men are dying and this is the thing we should be focusing on.”

The city prepared for the possibility that the street demonstrations could linger. On Wednesday, a team from the Seattle Department of Transportation came through and hoped to remove some of the orange barriers — including one marked with the message “People’s Republic of Capitol Hill — and replace them with planter boxes filled with coral bells and other plants to give the new pedestrian zone an air of permanence.

But when the crews went to remove the barriers, some of the protesters objected. The crew stood down, and Rodney Maxie, a 

“This is good practice for the 9.0 earthquake,” he told his team.

The protesters also had differing opinions about how long the autonomous zone would last. Some wondered if the police department would try to reclaim the territory. Others said they expected the barriers to be up for weeks, until state and city leaders had done enough to meet their demands.

John Moore, 23, said he hoped to see the autonomous zone become legally recognized. Mr. Moore wore a stethoscope and paramedic apparel in a makeshift health center set up on the patio of a taco restaurant. The medic team was looking for a more permanent space to provide health services, and Mr. Moore said they had dozens of people with a range of qualifications, from C.P.R. certifications to experience in a Level 1 trauma center.

Mr. Moore said the experiment in a place without police could work.

“We are trying to prove through action and practice that we don’t need them and we can fulfill the community’s needs without them,” he said.

"We can do this on our own, free water, free food, free this, free that........but we need the FD and others to help us with the sanitation issues, and stuff.......But WE CAN DO THIS!!  Anarchy - YAY!!!

SF feels this is not going to end well........

 

 

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48 minutes ago, swordfish said:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/11/us/seattle-autonomous-zone.html

 

"We can do this on our own, free water, free food, free this, free that........but we need the FD and others to help us with the sanitation issues, and stuff.......But WE CAN DO THIS!!  Anarchy - YAY!!!

SF feels this is not going to end well........

 

 

Agreed. What will they do when these local business stop giving them free stuff?  Will they demand the state give it to them for free?

 

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/06/11/trump-seattle-autonomous-zone-inslee/

“Radical Left Governor @JayInslee and the Mayor of Seattle are being taunted and played at a level that our great Country has never seen before,” Trump tweeted. “Take back your city NOW. If you don’t do it, I will. This is not a game. These ugly Anarchists must be stooped [sic] IMMEDIATELY. MOVE FAST!”

As I think about this being allowed to go on - what is to stop foreign activity in "Little Italy" sections or "Chinatown" sections of bigger cities with outside influence from other countries if there is no response?

 

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9 hours ago, gonzoron said:

Wall, no patrol. Jealous? What protects your trailer?

I don't own a trailer,  just a modest one family home.  As for what protects it I have motion sensing lights at various locations around the exterior, along with a subscription-based security package.

Why the apparent derision for individuals who live in trailers?

Why no patrol?   Are the walls of your compound that high and that strong?

 

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18 minutes ago, Muda69 said:

Why the apparent derision for individuals who live in trailers?

Who said that? I haven't expressed any derision for individuals who live in trailers. Your reading comprehension seems to be clouded by extreme personal bias. GDS.

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3 minutes ago, gonzoron said:

Who said that? 

You did. Again like always out of the side of your mouth.

Perhaps you live in a trailer surrounded by your compound walls??

Or does it looks more like this?:

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17 hours ago, swordfish said:

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Swordfish - is this actually for real?  Honest question.  

If so, it’s frightening....and would seem to be a bit of a “tell”.  

I have long recognized that Antifa was little more than a babysitting service for backdoor Brownshirts (since they seem to openly wallow in that imagery) but this seems even too obvious a message for their somewhat wanting PR department.....though they do rely perhaps too heavily on their many apologists at the Times, Post, etc. to sugarcoat their real message.  Still, I truly think they need to beef up their marketing department.

The only other observation I have about all of this is the absolute dearth of information and coverage about this situation outside of a quite literal handful of places.....one would think “CHAZ” (sharing that somewhat unfortunate name with the cologne from the 80’s - but no doubt MUCH more fragrant given their population) is north of the DMZ with the scant coverage and seeming lack of interest by the mainstream press.  

I get more Google references regarding UFO abductions in Metamora, Indiana than I seem to get when I look for information regarding this newly formed communist utopia nation on our western shores.

God forbid I Google for references regarding those “commoners” in Michigan marching peacefully to go back to work or to attend church....such things as national crises are composed of apparently....based on the intense and scathing coverage of that “rabble” (Thank God for that brilliant governor they have holding things together in Michigan, btw).

Can’t have those flyover rubes wanting to get back work or attend church when there is a country that needs burning to the ground.  

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1 hour ago, Muda69 said:

Why the apparent derision for individuals who live in trailers?

 

 

Is this new thinking - "Houseist"?

29 minutes ago, Lysander said:

Swordfish - is this actually for real?  Honest question.  

If so, it’s frightening....and would seem to be a bit of a “tell”.  

I have long recognized that Antifa was little more than a babysitting service for backdoor Brownshirts (since they seem to openly wallow in that imagery) but this seems even too obvious a message for their somewhat wanting PR department.....though they do rely perhaps too heavily on their many apologists at the Times, Post, etc. to sugarcoat their real message.  Still, I truly think they need to beef up their marketing department.

The only other observation I have about all of this is the absolute dearth of information and coverage about this situation outside of a quite literal handful of places.....one would think “CHAZ” (sharing that somewhat unfortunate name with the cologne from the 80’s - but no doubt MUCH more fragrant given their population) is north of the DMZ with the scant coverage and seeming lack of interest by the mainstream press.  

I get more Google references regarding UFO abductions in Metamora, Indiana than I seem to get when I look for information regarding this newly formed communist utopia nation on our western shores.

God forbid I Google for references regarding those “commoners” in Michigan marching peacefully to go back to work or to attend church....such things as national crises are composed of apparently....based on the intense and scathing coverage of that “rabble” (Thank God for that brilliant governor they have holding things together in Michigan, btw).

Can’t have those flyover rubes wanting to get back work or attend church when there is a country that needs burning to the ground.  

Lysander - think for yourself on this one, while the US version of Antifa appears to be using a different flag, this one appears to have started in the global antifa movement as depicted in the Snopes video from the UK.

 

BTW -  It’s literally only been one day of autonomous communism in Seattle and the system is already failing and famine is setting in.

 
 

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Well ....we know this whole thing must be like Shangri-La (see “Lost Horizon” for you Millenials out there)....it just doesn’t exist.  There is no trace of it in the “Papers of Record”....or the networks....or CNN.........or MSNBC. 

Its not real....it will have never even happened....kind of like the Civil War or the discovery of America....not even so sure about Washington and Jefferson these days.

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1 minute ago, Howe said:

CNN, NBC, Bloomberg, NY Times & USA Today articles were published after 6:00 pm yesterday or today. Fox News has been reporting on this insanity for three days. Tucker Carlson had a hilarious video last night.

The statement on this Forum that no one was reporting it besides Fox was made this morning. Evidence refutes that.

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3 minutes ago, gonzoron said:

The statement on this Forum that no one was reporting it besides Fox was made this morning. Evidence refutes that.

Where was the statement "no one was reporting it besides Fox" posted?

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3 minutes ago, Howe said:

Where was the statement "no one was reporting it besides Fox" posted?

 

47 minutes ago, Lysander said:

Well ....we know this whole thing must be like Shangri-La (see “Lost Horizon” for you Millenials out there)....it just doesn’t exist.  There is no trace of it in the “Papers of Record”....or the networks....or CNN.........or MSNBC. 

Its not real....it will have never even happened....kind of like the Civil War or the discovery of America....not even so sure about Washington and Jefferson these days.

 

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19 minutes ago, gonzoron said:

Yes.  I looked.  As of 9:00 or so last night there were those articles attached minus the USA Today article.

Keep in mind this has been going on several days now.  These articles came out very late in the day yesterday and they are vapid at best .....some even tacitly supportive..  There is no “there there”.  

We have, quite literally, an armed insurrection taking over 6 blocks of a major American city and there are 4 essentially puff piece articles and a worthless piece by Forbes that references the situation but is effectively just a cry from some guy who is a business recruiter (if I recall correctly) saying “we all just need to come together”....

No there is no real news or information.

Only the USA Today article is new to me.  It may actually be informative.
 


 

 

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The above statement makes no reference to Fox.

The author stated he was unable to find a reference using Google who routinley filter searches. Perhaps the links you provided were more readily available on a less politically driven search engine service.

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