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The SC governor just shut down all summer programs for athletes.  He is warning that fall sports are in jeopardy.  Please be careful and do it right up there.   

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It’s just mind numbing as to the many differing opinions based on where you live as to people’s beliefs in certain things.

For instance, Marion and Lake Counties account for just over 20 percent of the state’s population and boast 1/3 of the state’s covid cases.  They need to approach things differently that Southwest Indiana.

Hell, I was out to eat on the southside of Indianapolis last week and ate on the south side of County Line Road (Johnson County).  The establishment I was visiting had a 45 minute wait for a table, was packed to capacity, had full bar service and only the employees were wearing masks.

I looked across the street from the parking lot at a competitor and they had 6 cars in the parking lot and two of their employees were just hanging outside.

500 feet apart.

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This original posting, especially the comment about people will die, is sheer fear mongering, is despicable. and should not even have to be responded to.  But, I'm glad so many have responded who understand that living is not about spending your life trying to protect yourself from every risk.  People like the original poster will never be able to be pleased. Now that the virus has been released upon us we must learn to live life with it and not be boarded up in our own little cocoons. (Which by the way has been shown not to protect you).

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2 hours ago, Temptation said:

It’s just mind numbing as to the many differing opinions based on where you live as to people’s beliefs in certain things.

For instance, Marion and Lake Counties account for just over 20 percent of the state’s population and boast 1/3 of the state’s covid cases.  They need to approach things differently that Southwest Indiana.

Hell, I was out to eat on the southside of Indianapolis last week and ate on the south side of County Line Road (Johnson County).  The establishment I was visiting had a 45 minute wait for a table, was packed to capacity, had full bar service and only the employees were wearing masks.

I looked across the street from the parking lot at a competitor and they had 6 cars in the parking lot and two of their employees were just hanging outside.

500 feet apart.

I think your point would have more weight ... if our society weren’t so mobile. The absence of any borders except lines on a map cries out for more uniformity than individuality in any solution. The virus doesn’t read maps.

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So what does this do to the planned restart of high school football?
 

https://www.theindianalawyer.com/articles/face-masks-to-be-mandatory-in-marion-county-beginning-july-9?utm_source=breaking-news&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=2020-07-02

Face masks to be mandatory in Marion County beginning July 9

July 2, 2020 | Samm Quinn, Indianapolis Business Journal

KEYWORDS CORONAVIRUS / DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH / GOV. ERIC HOLCOMB / HEALTH CARE / INDIANAPOLIS / LAW & POLITICS / LOCAL GOVERNMENT / MARION COUNTY / POLITICS / PUBLIC HEALTH

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Indianapolis Mayor Joe Hogsett and Marion County Public Health Department officials said Thursday that they’re mandating that face masks be worn in public in Marion County.

Beginning July 9, face coverings will be required to be worn in indoor places where the public gathers, such as in office buildings and retail stores. They’ll also be required outdoors when it’s not possible to socially distance.

The mandate comes as Marion County prepares to enter Stage 4.5 of the state’s Back on Track plan, announced by Gov. Eric Holcomb on Wednesday. The state is strongly recommending — but not mandating — Hoosiers wear masks and has launched a marketing campaign aimed at encouraging face coverings.

As part of the new public health order, events larger than 1,000 people will be required to submit a health and safety plan to the Marion County Public Health Department for approval.

Nursing homes and assisted living facilities will remain closed to visitors, and overnight camps will not be allowed.

“This isn’t complicated. It’s a piece of cloth. It’s a piece of cloth that could save your life and the lives of those around you, and it’s the right thing to do,” Hogsett said.

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20 hours ago, TheStatGuy said:

Coach E doesn't understand logic... But you are right.. Its little kids logic

They saw Texas, Arizona, Florida and Georgia re opening and wanted to as well... Now look. AZ has more covid cases then some countries. 

If it continues to rise.. We can't play sports period. 

AZ will blame it on the Indigenous. 

 

1 hour ago, Bobref said:

So what does this do to the planned restart of high school football?
 

https://www.theindianalawyer.com/articles/face-masks-to-be-mandatory-in-marion-county-beginning-july-9?utm_source=breaking-news&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=2020-07-02

Face masks to be mandatory in Marion County beginning July 9

July 2, 2020 | Samm Quinn, Indianapolis Business Journal

KEYWORDS CORONAVIRUS / DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH / GOV. ERIC HOLCOMB / HEALTH CARE / INDIANAPOLIS / LAW & POLITICS / LOCAL GOVERNMENT / MARION COUNTY / POLITICS / PUBLIC HEALTH

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Indianapolis Mayor Joe Hogsett and Marion County Public Health Department officials said Thursday that they’re mandating that face masks be worn in public in Marion County.

Beginning July 9, face coverings will be required to be worn in indoor places where the public gathers, such as in office buildings and retail stores. They’ll also be required outdoors when it’s not possible to socially distance.

The mandate comes as Marion County prepares to enter Stage 4.5 of the state’s Back on Track plan, announced by Gov. Eric Holcomb on Wednesday. The state is strongly recommending — but not mandating — Hoosiers wear masks and has launched a marketing campaign aimed at encouraging face coverings.

As part of the new public health order, events larger than 1,000 people will be required to submit a health and safety plan to the Marion County Public Health Department for approval.

Nursing homes and assisted living facilities will remain closed to visitors, and overnight camps will not be allowed.

“This isn’t complicated. It’s a piece of cloth. It’s a piece of cloth that could save your life and the lives of those around you, and it’s the right thing to do,” Hogsett said.

How wishy-washy is stage 4.5?  Sounds ridiculous.  Save face.    Roll eyes. 

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1 hour ago, Bobref said:

I think your point would have more weight ... if our society weren’t so mobile. The absence of any borders except lines on a map cries out for more uniformity than individuality in any solution. The virus doesn’t read maps.

I’m speaking specifically to the “rules” in place in specific locales that impact how folks interpret the “danger” associated with the the virus.

I went to the region/southwest Michigan recently.  Crossed the state line multiple times.  Was like two different planets.

 

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1 hour ago, Bobref said:

So what does this do to the planned restart of high school football?
 

https://www.theindianalawyer.com/articles/face-masks-to-be-mandatory-in-marion-county-beginning-july-9?utm_source=breaking-news&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=2020-07-02

Face masks to be mandatory in Marion County beginning July 9

July 2, 2020 | Samm Quinn, Indianapolis Business Journal

KEYWORDS CORONAVIRUS / DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH / GOV. ERIC HOLCOMB / HEALTH CARE / INDIANAPOLIS / LAW & POLITICS / LOCAL GOVERNMENT / MARION COUNTY / POLITICS / PUBLIC HEALTH

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Indianapolis Mayor Joe Hogsett and Marion County Public Health Department officials said Thursday that they’re mandating that face masks be worn in public in Marion County.

Beginning July 9, face coverings will be required to be worn in indoor places where the public gathers, such as in office buildings and retail stores. They’ll also be required outdoors when it’s not possible to socially distance.

The mandate comes as Marion County prepares to enter Stage 4.5 of the state’s Back on Track plan, announced by Gov. Eric Holcomb on Wednesday. The state is strongly recommending — but not mandating — Hoosiers wear masks and has launched a marketing campaign aimed at encouraging face coverings.

As part of the new public health order, events larger than 1,000 people will be required to submit a health and safety plan to the Marion County Public Health Department for approval.

Nursing homes and assisted living facilities will remain closed to visitors, and overnight camps will not be allowed.

“This isn’t complicated. It’s a piece of cloth. It’s a piece of cloth that could save your life and the lives of those around you, and it’s the right thing to do,” Hogsett said.

“This isn’t complicated. It’s a piece of cloth. It’s a piece of cloth that could save your life and the lives of those around you, and it’s the right thing to do,” Hogsett said.

I thought the myth of protecting/saving MY OWN life by wearing a mask had been debunked already?  Are we back tracking on that now too?

Particles get in through non-medical masks yet my particles can’t escape.  Not the other way around.

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1 hour ago, Bobref said:

So what does this do to the planned restart of high school football?
 

https://www.theindianalawyer.com/articles/face-masks-to-be-mandatory-in-marion-county-beginning-july-9?utm_source=breaking-news&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=2020-07-02

Face masks to be mandatory in Marion County beginning July 9

July 2, 2020 | Samm Quinn, Indianapolis Business Journal

KEYWORDS CORONAVIRUS / DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH / GOV. ERIC HOLCOMB / HEALTH CARE / INDIANAPOLIS / LAW & POLITICS / LOCAL GOVERNMENT / MARION COUNTY / POLITICS / PUBLIC HEALTH

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Indianapolis Mayor Joe Hogsett and Marion County Public Health Department officials said Thursday that they’re mandating that face masks be worn in public in Marion County.

Beginning July 9, face coverings will be required to be worn in indoor places where the public gathers, such as in office buildings and retail stores. They’ll also be required outdoors when it’s not possible to socially distance.

The mandate comes as Marion County prepares to enter Stage 4.5 of the state’s Back on Track plan, announced by Gov. Eric Holcomb on Wednesday. The state is strongly recommending — but not mandating — Hoosiers wear masks and has launched a marketing campaign aimed at encouraging face coverings.

As part of the new public health order, events larger than 1,000 people will be required to submit a health and safety plan to the Marion County Public Health Department for approval.

Nursing homes and assisted living facilities will remain closed to visitors, and overnight camps will not be allowed.

“This isn’t complicated. It’s a piece of cloth. It’s a piece of cloth that could save your life and the lives of those around you, and it’s the right thing to do,” Hogsett said.

At the same time, I saw a post online that the Indy 11 soccer team is hosting a game July 11th with fans in stands.

The plans were for coaches and players to be masked when feasible at workouts so it shouldn’t change much.

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2 hours ago, Bobref said:

peI think your point would have more weight ... if our society weren’t so mobile. The absence of any borders except lines on a map cries out for more uniformity than individuality in any solution. The virus doesn’t read maps.

Doesn't mean risk is identical.  Not by a long shot.  We know hands down that NY was the epicenter for cases and mortality.  The stance they took doesn't need to be replicated necessarily by other states.

Great example is Europe...various countries took different steps based on their experience....and in many cases much closer than some of our states in this country.

Many countries border each other....doesn't mean they did or should have taken identical steps.

Bottom line...while incidence is increasing in some locations, mortality rate continues to trend in a good direction.  Let's hope this trend continues.....

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1 hour ago, Robert said:

AZ will blame it on the Indigenous. 

 

How wishy-washy is stage 4.5?  Sounds ridiculous.  Save face.    Roll eyes. 

He is in an election year after all.

1 hour ago, Temptation said:

“This isn’t complicated. It’s a piece of cloth. It’s a piece of cloth that could save your life and the lives of those around you, and it’s the right thing to do,” Hogsett said.

I thought the myth of protecting/saving MY OWN life by wearing a mask had been debunked already?  Are we back tracking on that now too?

Particles get in through non-medical masks yet my particles can’t escape.  Not the other way around.

Thank you.

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39 minutes ago, DannEllenwood said:

He is in an election year after all.

Thank you.

Holcomb should have no problem with the opponent sadly... So "election year" doesn't really matter in his case. 

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Tennessee extended restrictions also. Left about 300 AAU Girls Basketball teams in the lurch. Glad my babygirl's wasn't one of them.

 

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4 hours ago, Temptation said:

“This isn’t complicated. It’s a piece of cloth. It’s a piece of cloth that could save your life and the lives of those around you, and it’s the right thing to do,” Hogsett said.

I thought the myth of protecting/saving MY OWN life by wearing a mask had been debunked already?  Are we back tracking on that now too?

Particles get in through non-medical masks yet my particles can’t escape.  Not the other way around.

You wearing a mask helps others. Them wearing a mask helps you. So if we all collectively do it we reduce the spread. It will never eliminate it, but greatly reducing isn't a bad thing. And in most instances it's really easy to do. A football game isn't one of them though. While eating or drinking isn't one of them. But if you aren't doing activities like that why not? The science clearly states it helps in a significant enough way.

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4 hours ago, Temptation said:

I thought the myth of protecting/saving MY OWN life by wearing a mask had been debunked already?  

If that's the only person you care about, then do what you want anyway. Just stay away from me and my kids.

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57 minutes ago, JustRules said:

You wearing a mask helps others. Them wearing a mask helps you. So if we all collectively do it we reduce the spread. It will never eliminate it, but greatly reducing isn't a bad thing. And in most instances it's really easy to do. A football game isn't one of them though. While eating or drinking isn't one of them. But if you aren't doing activities like that why not? The science clearly states it helps in a significant enough way.

Thought this was interesting. Major business. You would have to think they spent mega money on this ad. Read the message. Then read it again. See if you pick it up. It’s called CYA. Nothing more. Nothing less. 
 

 

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2 hours ago, gonzoron said:

If that's the only person you care about, then do what you want anyway. Just stay away from me and my kids.

Unless you are over 65, I’d most likely be doing you a favor by transmitting the disease your way.  That way you could get it over with and sleep at night.

Look at the data.

 

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1 minute ago, Temptation said:

Unless you are over 65

I'm close enough to sneeze on 65.

 

2 minutes ago, Temptation said:

I’d most likely be doing you a favor by transmitting the disease your way

Transmitting a virus is "doing someone a favor"? That's the attitude that can keep fall sports from occurring. Please stay away from Hamilton County.

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5 minutes ago, gonzoron said:

I'm close enough to sneeze on 65.

 

Transmitting a virus is "doing someone a favor"? That's the attitude that can keep fall sports from occurring. Please stay away from Hamilton County.

You think that Ed Orgeron and Dabo Swinney are disappointed that so many of their players tested positive when reporting to campus?  Do you think that’s a coincidence?  Look how much higher their numbers are than other programs.

Get it, miss 14 days of conditioning, quarantine on an empty campus, be ready for fall camp.

Your kids will be fine.

I’ll look at the data, you continue to watch CNN with your voodoo dolls.

 

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12 minutes ago, Temptation said:

I’ll look at the data

Obviously not.

 

12 minutes ago, Temptation said:

you continue to watch CNN with your voodoo dolls.

I don't watch CNN nor do I have voodoo dolls. I care about my family and others I may interact with. 

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On 6/28/2020 at 3:11 PM, Bobref said:

It is now a virtual lock that we will have high school football this Fall. Post your comments, observations, hopes, fears, etc., as we try to find the “new normal.”

Observation: there is no possible way the high school football season can proceed safely. The pros and NCAA make a better case for the return to competition, since the cornerstone of their guidance is frequent and thorough testing of even asymptomatic individuals coupled with isolation protocols. Yet several colleges have already suspended their summer programs because of large numbers of positives. There won’t be any such testing at the high school level.  If you doubt it, read this article by former Munster High School Trainer John Doherty. https://www.nwitimes.com/sports/sports-medicine-even-athletes-must-be-vigilant-to-ravages-of-covid-19/article_1c678744-361d-5ce9-8baa-e37e76a39f63.html He quotes Dan Slotar, a fellowship-trained infectious disease specialist, as follows:

“I’ve been an advocate for reentry and reopening of society in general but with certain caveats,” he said. “Some sports are easier to contemplate restarting without the need for as aggressive testing as professional athletes have the luxury of access to. So there is obviously going to be a spectrum. Cross country and golf are one extreme and wrestling would be the other extreme. I would be hesitant about contact sports like football or even basketball without testing. I don’t how that can be addressed on the high school level.” (emphasis supplied)

Comment: the return to competition is driven almost wholly by economics. The IHSAA got no revenue from the boy’s basketball tournament. They miss the boy’s football tournament and they’re going to be bankrupt. Schools are in the same boat. Without that revenue, athletic departments are simply unable to function. So, I hope we have a great season. But don’t kid yourself. People are going to die who would not have died otherwise. I hope it’s worth it.

 

Virtually everyone will get this virus regardless of the precautions we take. It’s just a matter of weather or not you have symptoms or not.  The higher the % of the population that gets it, the less dangerous it becomes.   It’s how a virus likes this works.  Have you ever considered this?  Since this is the case,  why do anything different at all?   I suppose in November that will likely be the case.  

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6 hours ago, JustRules said:

You wearing a mask helps others. Them wearing a mask helps you. So if we all collectively do it we reduce the spread. It will never eliminate it, but greatly reducing isn't a bad thing. And in most instances it's really easy to do. A football game isn't one of them though. While eating or drinking isn't one of them. But if you aren't doing activities like that why not? The science clearly states it helps in a significant enough way.

The science?   Show me the science that states this.   I have seen the same people stating it helps say the exact opposite on a separate day.   If I say, “the science clearly states masks don’t protect you”.  Does that make it true?  
Do you know what the Science does clearly state?  We will all likely be infected and the higher the %, the less dangerous it becomes.  
 

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