Should we return to play on schedule?

[wabashalwaysfights]

1 hour ago, gonzoron said:

Taxpayers already fund the schools. I don't want my tax dollars funding babysitters. I'm not blind to the issue, it's an issue of individual responsibility. 

Again, agreed but two things: first, how idealistic of you to think that all take the measure of individual responsibility they should (not all do, sadly). Secondly, you say they should "do the same thing they do for childcare when school is not in session," and the reality is, at least in some cases that this simply is not possible. I know a lot of parents who utilize summer park programs, older student relatives (high school age cousins, for example), and older family members to help pick with childcare in the summer months when school is not in session. These are not people who view the school system as a "babysitter," but the fact is that they rely in the scheduling of their work on their child being at school during the regular school day and in the regular school year. Summer park programs will not be in session (and many are ending early in my area to allow for "self-quarantine" prior to the school year) and if proper "social distancing" is to be followed, older school age family or elderly family members would not be tenable either.

[dazed and confused]

8 hours ago, Temptation said:

Who is complaining?  Get them back in school, adjust to life and move on, just like 99.8% of the population has been able to do.

I am just pointing out the hypocrisy of many adults, that's all.

My mistake ! I took it as complaining esp. when you ended with " It's Maddening ! " I understand issues by both sides and it is a dilema.

[gonzoron]

19 minutes ago, wabashalwaysfights said:

Again, agreed but two things: first, how idealistic of you to think that all take the measure of individual responsibility they should (not all do, sadly). Secondly, you say they should "do the same thing they do for childcare when school is not in session," and the reality is, at least in some cases that this simply is not possible. I know a lot of parents who utilize summer park programs, older student relatives (high school age cousins, for example), and older family members to help pick with childcare in the summer months when school is not in session. These are not people who view the school system as a "babysitter," but the fact is that they rely in the scheduling of their work on their child being at school during the regular school day and in the regular school year. Summer park programs will not be in session (and many are ending e child care arly in my area to allow for "self-quarantine" prior to the school year) and if proper "social distancing" is to be followed, older school age family or elderly family members would not be tenable either.

Oh,well. Parents will need to evaluate options and adapt. Again, child care isn't a school system's responsibility.

[wabashalwaysfights]

7 minutes ago, gonzoron said:

Oh,well. Parents will need to evaluate options and adapt. Again, child care isn't a school system's responsibility.

And again, I agree with you, as I've said no less than twice but I'll pass your advice... I'm sure it will be most helpful...

[Gipper]

2 hours ago, wabashalwaysfights said:

And again, I agree with you, as I've said no less than twice but I'll pass your advice... I'm sure it will be most helpful...

 

[coach_schreibjr]

In my opinion every school district should be able to make the best choice for the student body they have. Recently, there was a rumor in the city I work in that my school district was "canceling or shutting down" the season. We had a team meeting addressing the issue and clarifying what our plan was moving forward. We had multiple players express their passion about the necessity to have football this fall or any sports for that matter. Some of them, I talked with privately broke down crying explaining their situations they are dealing with in life right now. The reality of it is, where I coach and I'm sure there are more coaches in this boat, most of my young men have been working part time jobs to help make ends meet for their families or became the caregiver to their younger siblings. 

The question of should we return to football or not isn't all about the game itself but what it allows our student athletes to get away from and in many cases it is their home lives. I can tell you about many unfathomable stories some of my young men have gone through during this time of "quarantining." If we continue to push this virtue signaling and pretend that this virus is worse than, mental, emotional and physical abuse or even neglect by some of our young men's families. Then we are going to have far worse problems than just this hatred and bickering we are all privileged to take part in on this forum. What may be a problem to you, isn't even a thought in our student athletes mind. If you don't have any young men like I just described then please just try to understand why it is that important that we get back to sports this fall.

[wabashalwaysfights]

6 hours ago, Gipper said:

 

I'm not exactly sure what this is supposed to mean. I asked a legitimate question about the situation many families find themselves having to deal with in the face of a potential start of the school year with virtual education.

The situation for many families I spoke of is vastly different now than it was in the spring. Nearly all employment other than essential workers was put on hold for weeks at a time last spring, I'm specifically speaking to a number of factories in the area. Those same employers are no longer shut down now. I also would, unfortunately, defer to the below...

5 hours ago, coach_schreibjr said:

In my opinion every school district should be able to make the best choice for the student body they have. Recently, there was a rumor in the city I work in that my school district was "canceling or shutting down" the season. We had a team meeting addressing the issue and clarifying what our plan was moving forward. We had multiple players express their passion about the necessity to have football this fall or any sports for that matter. Some of them, I talked with privately broke down crying explaining their situations they are dealing with in life right now. The reality of it is, where I coach and I'm sure there are more coaches in this boat, most of my young men have been working part time jobs to help make ends meet for their families or became the caregiver to their younger siblings. 

The question of should we return to football or not isn't all about the game itself but what it allows our student athletes to get away from and in many cases it is their home lives. I can tell you about many unfathomable stories some of my young men have gone through during this time of "quarantining." If we continue to push this virtue signaling and pretend that this virus is worse than, mental, emotional and physical abuse or even neglect by some of our young men's families. Then we are going to have far worse problems than just this hatred and bickering we are all privileged to take part in on this forum. What may be a problem to you, isn't even a thought in our student athletes mind. If you don't have any young men like I just described then please just try to understand why it is that important that we get back to sports this fall.

Well said Coach. Even if a football season is delayed or, unfortunately, not in the cards, being physically in school removes these kids from those situations for at least 8 hours out of the day. It is sad, but the reality. 

[cw13]

Interesting read

https://www.courier-journal.com/story/sports/preps/2020/07/24/high-school-football-may-not-safe-amid-covid-19/5500909002/

[Guest]

8 hours ago, coach_schreibjr said:

In my opinion every school district should be able to make the best choice for the student body they have. Recently, there was a rumor in the city I work in that my school district was "canceling or shutting down" the season. We had a team meeting addressing the issue and clarifying what our plan was moving forward. We had multiple players express their passion about the necessity to have football this fall or any sports for that matter. Some of them, I talked with privately broke down crying explaining their situations they are dealing with in life right now. The reality of it is, where I coach and I'm sure there are more coaches in this boat, most of my young men have been working part time jobs to help make ends meet for their families or became the caregiver to their younger siblings. 

The question of should we return to football or not isn't all about the game itself but what it allows our student athletes to get away from and in many cases it is their home lives. I can tell you about many unfathomable stories some of my young men have gone through during this time of "quarantining." If we continue to push this virtue signaling and pretend that this virus is worse than, mental, emotional and physical abuse or even neglect by some of our young men's families. Then we are going to have far worse problems than just this hatred and bickering we are all privileged to take part in on this forum. What may be a problem to you, isn't even a thought in our student athletes mind. If you don't have any young men like I just described then please just try to understand why it is that important that we get back to sports this fall.

Reports of child abuse are down in the Indy metro area...that doesn’t mean child abuse cases are down though.

Football aside, children need school this fall.

[cw13]

I just don't know how we can think the back to school thing will ever work......our leaders said don't worry about the check points, just reopen your states..........now look at some of those states and areas that followed that advice......things have blown up because they reopened too soon and without any plan.....and people are suffering......with the schools, I don't know.....as a nation we couldn't supply the hospitals and 1st line workers with all the necessary PPE. Trained medical professionals doing their jobs got the virus, and some died......We have more schools throughout the US than hospitals....... keeping all the schools supplied will be a task........during a normal school year we never have enough hand soap, paper towels and cleaning products.....the same hallway has the same gum on the floor for 9 weeks.......during a pandemic do you really think the schools will react any differently? Just too many bells and too many whistles and too many moving parts

[Guest]

15 minutes ago, cw13 said:

I just don't know how we can think the back to school thing will ever work......our leaders said don't worry about the check points, just reopen your states..........now look at some of those states and areas that followed that advice......things have blown up because they reopened too soon and without any plan.....and people are suffering......with the schools, I don't know.....as a nation we couldn't supply the hospitals and 1st line workers with all the necessary PPE. Trained medical professionals doing their jobs got the virus, and some died......We have more schools throughout the US than hospitals....... keeping all the schools supplied will be a task........during a normal school year we never have enough hand soap, paper towels and cleaning products.....the same hallway has the same gum on the floor for 9 weeks.......during a pandemic do you really think the schools will react any differently? Just too many bells and too many whistles and too many moving parts

I agree that many of the back to school mandates will be difficult to manage, police and keep up with but people simply HAVE to understand that kids ARE going to get sick.  It sucks but it’s unavoidable and the data (there’s that word again) suggests that over 99 percent of them will recover fully with no lasting effects.

Most parents were given a remote option within their district and if they declined it, I hope they understood my statement above when they did. Expecting perfection is not realistic.

[Robert]

6 minutes ago, Temptation said:

I agree that many of the back to school mandates will be difficult to manage, police and keep up with but people simply HAVE to understand that kids ARE going to get sick.  It sucks but it’s unavoidable and the data (there’s that word again) suggests that over 99 percent of them will recover fully with no lasting effects.

Most parents were given a remote option within their district and if they declined it, I hope they understood my statement above when they did. Expecting perfection is not realistic.

Where did you study medicine? 

How old is this virus? 

I caught a virus in S. America, they think, or from immigrant students...maybe?...the infectious disease specialist isn't sure.  It knocked me to my knees while teaching.  I almost had to go to half days.  It took weeks to figure it out.   It's in me.  It will come and go as it pleases.  If my immune system becomes weak, it could rage.  It could remain dormant for the rest of my life.  Unfortunately, nobody knows.  The best doctors money can buy don't know.  

Nobody knows what this new virus does yet.  

[cw13]

that is why some of the pro athletes, especially the young ones, are hesitant to return......due to the unknown long lasting effects of the virus......some studies suggest hindering effects on the lungs and hearts........think about being a young athlete......a full career ahead of you...getting the virus, surviving due to age, but the long lasting effects never let you get back to where you were before and your career is over..........some tough decisions

[Raven67]

2 hours ago, cw13 said:

Interesting read

https://www.courier-journal.com/story/sports/preps/2020/07/24/high-school-football-may-not-safe-amid-covid-19/5500909002/

Epidemiologist are finally getting there 2 seconds of fame. Facts are better than opinions at this point. Multiple schools have paused due to cases.. has anyone heard of any of the kids being any more than a little sick?...testing is less than inaccurate. What we do know is there is not kids dropping dead from this. More kids are dying in things we deem tragic, but overlooked, such as overdoses. Studies overseas show teachers have q very low chance of catching anything from a kid. Its more the other way around. Also CDC just put out that isolation based on tests is bogus. You should isolate only based on symptoms. They also go on to pretty much say that feverish people are the spreaders. Quit being so scared. Let the kids play.

[oldunclemark]

 

 As of Sunday (July 26) , 16 schools in Northwest Indiana have stopped athletic practices......presumably until Aug. 4

.......I'm thinking that a lot of opinions expressed are colored by where in the state of Indiana you are.....

 

..and I think that many feel that if the virus isn't showing in their particular part of the state, that its okay to proceed as normal. 

[oldtimeqb]

2 hours ago, cw13 said:

that is why some of the pro athletes, especially the young ones, are hesitant to return......due to the unknown long lasting effects of the virus......some studies suggest hindering effects on the lungs and hearts........think about being a young athlete......a full career ahead of you...getting the virus, surviving due to age, but the long lasting effects never let you get back to where you were before and your career is over..........some tough decisions

Yes. Those young college athletes that are so scared of the virus they attend house parties, nightclubs, and my personal favorite the NBA player who just went to the strip club - I mean restaurant - because he likes the hot wings. 
 

We get it. You’re scared to live your life. Flatten the curve, wait for a vaccine, what about the long term effects... keep moving those goalposts. 

[Guest]

3 hours ago, oldtimeqb said:

Yes. Those young college athletes that are so scared of the virus they attend house parties, nightclubs, and my personal favorite the NBA player who just went to the strip club - I mean restaurant - because he likes the hot wings. 
 

We get it. You’re scared to live your life. Flatten the curve, wait for a vaccine, what about the long term effects... keep moving those goalposts. 

I swear he/she is cheering for the “virus”. 

3 hours ago, TrojanDad said:

Let's see what the CDC says.........

https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/23/health/cdc-coronavirus-school-guidelines-new/index.html

"Children appear to be at lower risk for contracting COVID-19 compared to adults. To put this in perspective, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), as of July 17, 2020, the United States reported that children and adolescents under 18 years old account for under 7 percent of COVID-19 cases and less than 0.1 percent of COVID-19-related deaths," it adds.

Pediatrician: Use science, not politics, to reopen schools

"Scientific studies suggest that COVID-19 transmission among children in schools may be low. International studies that have assessed how readily COVID-19 spreads in schools also reveal low rates of transmission when community transmission is low."

 

What is the mortality rate in Indiana for the school aged demographic?  Seems pretty consistent with national rates.....

 

https://www.coronavirus.in.gov/

 

YES!

[Guest]

If you are like me, you are done listening to the experts who say good for yee, not for me. 
Examples: Fauci (who said NY handled things well.) and Governor Cuomo. 
 

Tell folks to wear masks then don’t. 
In the age of technology, we see more than ever. I pray more people wake up. 
 

The Best is Yet to Come!

[Plymouthfan91]

17 hours ago, DannEllenwood said:

If you are like me, you are done listening to the experts who say good for yee, not for me. 
Examples: Fauci (who said NY handled things well. WT ACTUAL F) and Governor Cuomo. 
 

Tell folks to wear masks then don’t. 
In the age of technology, we see more than ever. I pray more people wake up. 
 

The Best is Yet to Come!

Who do you listen to then? 

[Mayo77]

24 minutes ago, Plymouthfan91 said:

Who do you listen to then?  Idiot!

Not a single word he wrote was wrong was it? Look at death rates per million in New York then compare them to other states.    To say New York did such a good job is a joke.  Wasn't the expert on tv at baseball game other night not wearing a mask?   Then calling someone a idiot because they don't share your view is a real mature move. There is going to be football whether you like it or not.    

[Guest]

53 minutes ago, DannEllenwood said:

If you are like me, you are done listening to the experts who say good for yee, not for me. 
Examples: Fauci (who said NY handled things well. WT ACTUAL F) and Governor Cuomo. 
 

Tell folks to wear masks then don’t. 
In the age of technology, we see more than ever. I pray more people wake up. 
 

The Best is Yet to Come!

Cuomo getting praised nationwide for his handling of the virus is one of the most head scratching things in what’s been a crazy 2020.

New York has the HIGHEST death rate in the WORLD and Cuomo bought into the bed shortage nonsense all spring and sent the MOST vulnerable population BACK into nursing homes.

California, Texas and Florida have all (or will) passed New York in NUMBER of cases with a FRACTION of the death rate yet there are getting torn apart by the mainstream media.

[Irishman]

4 hours ago, TrojanDad said:

Let's see what the CDC says.........

https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/23/health/cdc-coronavirus-school-guidelines-new/index.html

"Children appear to be at lower risk for contracting COVID-19 compared to adults. To put this in perspective, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), as of July 17, 2020, the United States reported that children and adolescents under 18 years old account for under 7 percent of COVID-19 cases and less than 0.1 percent of COVID-19-related deaths," it adds.

Pediatrician: Use science, not politics, to reopen schools

"Scientific studies suggest that COVID-19 transmission among children in schools may be low. International studies that have assessed how readily COVID-19 spreads in schools also reveal low rates of transmission when community transmission is low."

 

What is the mortality rate in Indiana for the school aged demographic?  Seems pretty consistent with national rates.....

 

https://www.coronavirus.in.gov/

 

Here is the X factor in these stats though.....kids under 15 have little to do, and it’s been that way since schools closed. They cannot drive, so their ability to go places increasing their risk was significantly limited from March 13 to around the week of the 4th of July. I really do pray that risk remains minimal to them at best.....but that still means someone will get it. While that is a given, no one wants to be the one responsible for throwing a kid into the fire. I have said it many times.......the stats don’t mean much to a community, school, or family when one of their kids gets it, or even worse, when one dies from it. 

[Robert]

4 hours ago, TrojanDad said:

Let's see what the CDC says.........

https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/23/health/cdc-coronavirus-school-guidelines-new/index.html

"Children appear to be at lower risk for contracting COVID-19 compared to adults. To put this in perspective, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), as of July 17, 2020, the United States reported that children and adolescents under 18 years old account for under 7 percent of COVID-19 cases and less than 0.1 percent of COVID-19-related deaths," it adds.

Pediatrician: Use science, not politics, to reopen schools

"Scientific studies suggest that COVID-19 transmission among children in schools may be low. International studies that have assessed how readily COVID-19 spreads in schools also reveal low rates of transmission when community transmission is low."

 

What is the mortality rate in Indiana for the school aged demographic?  Seems pretty consistent with national rates.....

 

https://www.coronavirus.in.gov/

 

My kids, and most of the kids that I know, have been controlled well by their parents.  They've been able to see a small amount of people, be it from church or cousins, and maybe work, in controlled environments.  I do know of some families from school that let their kids do anything they want.  LIberal and conservative don't fit in this scheme.  Maybe some of the people here did not control the way that their families met with others during the past few months.  As you've all clearly said, we are a country of liberty, of good citizens.  To each his own interpretation.  Kids have not been thrown together in schools, where parents do send sick kids, where kids do not want to go to the nurse, where kids do not want to always follow the rules (which sometimes comes with a statement that mom or dad said I didn't have to type of comment).  And then you'll have some teachers that are buddy buddy telling them that they think that the virus isn't as bad as "they" say so they don't have to follow the rules in "this" room.  It's going to be a hoot.  A real hoot. 

[Guest]

3 hours ago, Plymouthfan91 said:

Who do you listen to then?  Idiot!

I’ll keep praying for you. 
And. I would hope Bob is a thousand times a better official than me. I’ve only been at it a year. He’s retired after officiating Caine and Able. 😉 

3 hours ago, Mayo77 said:

Not a single word he wrote was wrong was it? Look at death rates per million in New York then compare them to other states.    To say New York did such a good job is a joke.  Wasn't the expert on tv at baseball game other night not wearing a mask?   Then calling someone a idiot because they don't share your view is a real mature move. There is going to be football whether you like it or not.    

What do you know?  He was. 

[Bobref]

3 minutes ago, DannEllenwood said:

And. I would hope Bob is a thousand times a better official than me. I’ve only been at it a year. He’s retired after officiating Caine and Able. 😉

Now wait just a minute ...