Muda69 Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 https://reason.com/2020/09/09/the-persistent-myth-of-widespread-voter-fraud/ Quote Republican election attorney Benjamin Ginsberg spent his career helping Republican candidates get elected. As part of those efforts, he was on the lookout for voter fraud. As he details in a Washington Post op-ed, such fraud is very hard to find. The truth is that after decades of looking for illegal voting, there's no proof of widespread fraud. At most, there are isolated incidents — by both Democrats and Republicans. Elections are not rigged. Absentee ballots use the same process as mail-in ballots — different states use different labels for the same process. The Trump 2016 campaign, of which I was not a part, could produce no hard evidence of systemic fraud. Trump established a Presidential Advisory Commission on Election Integrity in 2017 to expose all the fraud he maintains permeates our elections. He named the most vociferous hunters of Democratic election fraud to run the commission. It disbanded without finding anything. The Heritage Foundation Election Fraud Database has compiled every instance of any kind of voter fraud it could find since 1982. It contains 1,296 incidents, a minuscule percentage of the votes cast. A study of results in three states where all voters are mailed actual ballots, a practice at the apex of the president's outrage, found just 372 possible cases of illegal voting of 14.6 million cast in the 2016 and 2018 general elections — 0.0025 percent. If anything, Ginsberg goes easy on those who make broad election fraud allegations. When Kris Kobach was Kansas Secretary of State, he pushed election law reforms premised on the need to root out election fraud and, in particular, prevent voting by non-citizens. When these restrictions were challenged in court, his case crumbled. Given the opportunity to present evidence and expert testimony, Kobach was unable to substantiate his fears of stolen elections. Kobach was eventually held in contempt and sanctioned by the court. The evidence of widespread election fraud is woefully thin. When it happens, it may effect local races (where the total vote counts are much smaller). It is impossible to prove election fraud is not happening, as it is impossible to prove a negative. (To those convinced we have a problem, the lack of evidence only shows that those stealing elections are even more devious than we thought!) While election administration in parts of the country may be rickety and inefficient, there is no reason to think national elections are compromised, let alone that the Presidential race could be stolen. That said, when efforts to subvert election laws are uncovered, they should be prosecuted aggressively. Election law violations should be taken seriously. With that in mind, here's more from Ginsberg's op-ed: Legions of Republican lawyers have searched in vain over four decades for fraudulent double voting. At long last, they have a blatant example of a major politician urging his supporters to illegally vote twice. The only hitch is that the candidate is President Trump. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irishman Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 Interesting to note that I have had several ads from the Indiana GOP about applying ASAP for a mail in ballot on my Facebook page. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Impartial_Observer Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 2 hours ago, Irishman said: Interesting to note that I have had several ads from the Indiana GOP about applying ASAP for a mail in ballot on my Facebook page. I understand Indiana has absentee voting, but do we even have mail in voting? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Impartial_Observer Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 I know the gentleman from New York would never mislead us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irishman Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 7 hours ago, Impartial_Observer said: I understand Indiana has absentee voting, but do we even have mail in voting? I did it for the primary this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Impartial_Observer Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 1 hour ago, Irishman said: I did it for the primary this year. I had no idea.......I wasn’t lying when I said I wasn’t paying attention. I’m pretty sure I’ve seen virtually every vid on YouTube, yard looks great, daughter’s yard looks great, and we’ve been having a fire just about every night, so I’ve been consuming copious amounts of Makers. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irishman Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 31 minutes ago, Impartial_Observer said: I had no idea.......I wasn’t lying when I said I wasn’t paying attention. I’m pretty sure I’ve seen virtually every vid on YouTube, yard looks great, daughter’s yard looks great, and we’ve been having a fire just about every night, so I’ve been consuming copious amounts of Makers. Had a couple roaring fires going over the weekend myself. Instead of Makers though, Jameson and root beer....too many of those actually 😀 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raiderx2 Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 Irishman, Irish whiskey with root beer? Blasphemous. BC is giving you the stink eye from above. 😁 Hope all is well with you. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muda69 Posted September 10, 2020 Author Share Posted September 10, 2020 3 minutes ago, raiderx2 said: Irishman, Irish whiskey with root beer? Blasphemous. Agreed. I'm not a whiskey drinker but that combination sounds like putting ketchup on your steak. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irishman Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 5 hours ago, raiderx2 said: Irishman, Irish whiskey with root beer? Blasphemous. BC is giving you the stink eye from above. 😁 Hope all is well with you. It was not any run of the mill root beer. Sprecher's is top shelf 😄 I usually drink it with water or straight though. BC would at leaast approve of some RC Cola in it 😄 Doing well, thank you; hope you are too Raider. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Impartial_Observer Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 5 hours ago, raiderx2 said: Irishman, Irish whiskey with root beer? Blasphemous. BC is giving you the stink eye from above. 😁 Hope all is well with you. Neat for me, but ain’t mad about leaving the bottle on top of the cooler. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
77Jimmie Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 Jefferson Ocean guys. Jefferson Ocean. Enough said. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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