Coach Nowlin Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 We scrimmaged Tell City last year (2019) at Manchester Team Camp, came away impressed with them, had not idea what grade they were in, nice to see them having a good year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itiswhatitis Posted September 28, 2020 Author Share Posted September 28, 2020 19 minutes ago, Coach Nowlin said: We scrimmaged Tell City last year (2019) at Manchester Team Camp, came away impressed with them, had not idea what grade they were in, nice to see them having a good year I'd like to see the Bombers start a series with the Linton Miners. I've noticed that the Bombers have a couple of non conference games on their schedule. Why not drop Munster? They aren't a very good program in 5A. In fact they are ranked last in 5A. They could always schedule the game on a Saturday and maybe play at a neutral site like they did last week with North Knox to avoid a long, long drive. I believe the two programs are similar and think it would be an epic series. And it would give the Bombers some southern exposure while giving the Miners some Northern exposure. Your thoughts Coach? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hhpatriot04 Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 38 minutes ago, Coach Nowlin said: We scrimmaged Tell City last year (2019) at Manchester Team Camp, came away impressed with them, had not idea what grade they were in, nice to see them having a good year Yes, much of this senior class has played varsity since freshmen and sophomores. After multiple head coaches, Rookie Coach Mac Webb (from neighbor and rival South Spencer) is getting the most out of them and probably has the best TC team in three decades. Those who are older know the Marksmen were a small-school powerhouse in Basketball and Football in the 1970s and 1980s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spock Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 1 hour ago, itiswhatitis said: I'd like to see the Bombers start a series with the Linton Miners. I've noticed that the Bombers have a couple of non conference games on their schedule. Why not drop Munster? They aren't a very good program in 5A. In fact they are ranked last in 5A. They could always schedule the game on a Saturday and maybe play at a neutral site like they did last week with North Knox to avoid a long, long drive. I believe the two programs are similar and think it would be an epic series. And it would give the Bombers some southern exposure while giving the Miners some Northern exposure. Your thoughts Coach? Actually I believe the Bombers were supposed to play Twin Lakes that weekend. Munster was a close last minute convenient pick up. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itiswhatitis Posted September 28, 2020 Author Share Posted September 28, 2020 (edited) 41 minutes ago, Spock said: Actually I believe the Bombers were supposed to play Twin Lakes that weekend. Munster was a close last minute convenient pick up. Okay,. I just knew that Munster wasn't a conference team. Should have looked on other seasons and would have discovered that. I'd still like to see the Bombers and the Miners start a series with each other. Thanks. Edited September 28, 2020 by itiswhatitis 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Nowlin Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 On 9/19/2020 at 12:01 PM, itiswhatitis said: Okay so I was bored. Over the years there have been a lot of arguments (some of them heated) over who plays no one and who plays a meat grinder for a schedule. I thought I'd check to see who played the toughest schedules in 2A. I used the Sagarin ratings for this list. I have the school and their state rank for their schedule. I only used the top 15 since most years that is where the eventual champion comes from. Here ya go: 1) Ft. Wayne Luers 23 2) Evansville Mater Dei 61 3) Speedway 89 4) Cascade 98 5) Monrovia 101 6) Rensselaer Central 106 7) Shennandoah 109 8 Woodlan 114 9) Providance 115 10) Eastern Pekin 118 11) WInchester 119 12) Lewis Cass 124 13) Linton Stockton 130 14) Scecina 144 15) Triton Central 146 Keep in mind these are the ratings for this week. They will change from week to week depending on the opponent. Again, I was bored. And I apologize if I left someone out. final top 15 after 9 Weeks: 1). Speedway (66) 2) Monrovia (72) 3) Lewis Cass (81) 4) Andrean (85) 5) Woodlan (86) 6) Cascade (88) 7) Scecina (94) 8 ) Triton Central (97) 9) Eastern (Pekin) (101) 10). Heritage Christian (120) 11). Clarksville (121) 12). Southmont (127) 13) Rensselaer Central (132) 14) Western Boone (134) 15) Providence (138) On 9/23/2020 at 9:24 AM, Coach Nowlin said: Let's see what Andrean's will be after these next 4 games starting with a team that very well could rep the North in 4a Hobart Sep. 25 at Hobart 4A © 7:00 pm Oct. 2 at Munster 5A © 7:00 pm Oct. 9 at Kankakee Valley 4A © 7:00 pm Oct. 16 Lowell 4A © 7:00 pm as suspected: Andrean shot up SOS 2nd half of their schedule Surprises: Mater Dei and Luers SOS 221 and 199 respectivley. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tango Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 16 minutes ago, Coach Nowlin said: final top 15 after 9 Weeks: Surprises: Mater Dei and Luers SOS 221 and 199 respectivley. I hope Sagarin shows big adjustments for SIAC and SAC teams after Round 1 as a few teams finally play out of conference. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lysander Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 48 minutes ago, tango said: I hope Sagarin shows big adjustments for SIAC and SAC teams after Round 1 as a few teams finally play out of conference. It should.....and fast. I think we all know that both Dwenger and Evansville Central are far from their current No. 20 Sagarin Rating in their respective classes....more like Top 5 in each (I could see Central steamrolling 4A). The weird thing is that, at times, SAC statewide rankings shot high up the charts but the SIAC’s never did. Either way, both conference’s teams rankings are going to be jumping all over the place as of early Saturday AM. I think they will stabilize pretty quickly. Have I mentioned, as a fan, how much I hate closed conferences? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jakone Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 20 minutes ago, Lysander said: It should.....and fast. I think we all know that both Dwenger and Evansville Central are far from their current No. 20 Sagarin Rating in their respective classes....more like Top 5 in each (I could see Central steamrolling 4A). The weird thing is that, at times, SAC statewide rankings shot high up the charts but the SIAC’s never did. Either way, both conference’s teams rankings are going to be jumping all over the place as of early Saturday AM. I think they will stabilize pretty quickly. Have I mentioned, as a fan, how much I hate closed conferences? I hope they don't use the Sagarin ratings in college this year with the Big Ten only playing conference games Ohio St. would be ranked around 150. lol 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jbk2 Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 3 hours ago, Coach Nowlin said: final top 15 after 9 Weeks: 1). Speedway (66) 2) Monrovia (72) 3) Lewis Cass (81) 4) Andrean (85) 5) Woodlan (86) 6) Cascade (88) 7) Scecina (94) 8 ) Triton Central (97) 9) Eastern (Pekin) (101) 10). Heritage Christian (120) 11). Clarksville (121) 12). Southmont (127) 13) Rensselaer Central (132) 14) Western Boone (134) 15) Providence (138) as suspected: Andrean shot up SOS 2nd half of their schedule Surprises: Mater Dei and Luers SOS 221 and 199 respectivley. Out of these 15 #1, 2, 6, 12, and 14 are in same sectional 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punttheball Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 On 10/18/2020 at 9:44 AM, tango said: I hope Sagarin shows big adjustments for SIAC and SAC teams after Round 1 as a few teams finally play out of conference. On 10/18/2020 at 10:40 AM, Lysander said: It should.....and fast. I think we all know that both Dwenger and Evansville Central are far from their current No. 20 Sagarin Rating in their respective classes....more like Top 5 in each (I could see Central steamrolling 4A). The weird thing is that, at times, SAC statewide rankings shot high up the charts but the SIAC’s never did. Either way, both conference’s teams rankings are going to be jumping all over the place as of early Saturday AM. I think they will stabilize pretty quickly. Have I mentioned, as a fan, how much I hate closed conferences? It is statements like these that discredit the idea of using Sagarin Ratings as a method for seeding sectionals. The Sagarin ratings are either accurate or they are not. After nine games, there should not be holes in the rates or the method. I am not making an argument for the ratings, but many on this site do. So, how does a few out of conference games make "big adjustments"? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildcat1992 Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 On 10/18/2020 at 9:40 AM, Lysander said: It should.....and fast. I think we all know that both Dwenger and Evansville Central are far from their current No. 20 Sagarin Rating in their respective classes....more like Top 5 in each (I could see Central steamrolling 4A). The weird thing is that, at times, SAC statewide rankings shot high up the charts but the SIAC’s never did. Either way, both conference’s teams rankings are going to be jumping all over the place as of early Saturday AM. I think they will stabilize pretty quickly. Have I mentioned, as a fan, how much I hate closed conferences? I don't see Central steamrolling 4A. They could very well make a deep run, but they could also lose this weekend to Jasper. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lysander Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 42 minutes ago, Punttheball said: It is statements like these that discredit the idea of using Sagarin Ratings as a method for seeding sectionals. The Sagarin ratings are either accurate or they are not. After nine games, there should not be holes in the rates or the method. I am not making an argument for the ratings, but many on this site do. So, how does a few out of conference games make "big adjustments"? It’s impossible to apply analytics to a closed conference until its not “closed” which doesn’t happen until playoffs. As to how long it takes? I have no idea. I’m just a monkey with a keyboard trying to do the complete works Shakespeare. It’s hit and miss. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tango Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 4 minutes ago, Lysander said: It’s impossible to apply analytics to a closed conference until its not “closed” which doesn’t happen until playoffs. As to how long it takes? I have no idea. I’m just a monkey with a keyboard trying to do the complete works Shakespeare. It’s hit and miss. Yes, what he said.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hhpatriot04 Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 48 minutes ago, Punttheball said: It is statements like these that discredit the idea of using Sagarin Ratings as a method for seeding sectionals. The Sagarin ratings are either accurate or they are not. After nine games, there should not be holes in the rates or the method. I am not making an argument for the ratings, but many on this site do. So, how does a few out of conference games make "big adjustments"? No computer rankings can be accurate with closed conferences. If seeding is ever supported by the coaches, teams must play at least 2 or 3 non-conference games. This leads into other possibilities like splitting conferences and making week 9 or 10 with a 10-week season (not game) a conference championship week where MIC North #1 plays MIC South #1...etc. But again, it's the coaches and ADs and principals who would have to push for it, not the IHSAA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtimeqb Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 19 minutes ago, Lysander said: I’m just a monkey with a keyboard trying to do the complete works Shakespeare. It’s hit and miss. Don’t sell yourself short, Judge. You’re a terrific slouch. 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jakone Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 40 minutes ago, hhpatriot04 said: No computer rankings can be accurate with closed conferences. If seeding is ever supported by the coaches, teams must play at least 2 or 3 non-conference games. This leads into other possibilities like splitting conferences and making week 9 or 10 with a 10-week season (not game) a conference championship week where MIC North #1 plays MIC South #1...etc. But again, it's the coaches and ADs and principals who would have to push for it, not the IHSAA. So since the Big Ten is playing conference only games we shouldn't look for Ohio St. To be ranked in the top 25 by the computers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scarab527 Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 45 minutes ago, hhpatriot04 said: No computer rankings can be accurate with closed conferences. If seeding is ever supported by the coaches, teams must play at least 2 or 3 non-conference games. This leads into other possibilities like splitting conferences and making week 9 or 10 with a 10-week season (not game) a conference championship week where MIC North #1 plays MIC South #1...etc. But again, it's the coaches and ADs and principals who would have to push for it, not the IHSAA. What I don’t get is why the Sagarin ratings shifted so fast. For example: last week Luers’ SOS was ranked #23, this week it’s #230. How is that possible? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jakone Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 21 hours ago, scarab527 said: What I don’t get is why the Sagarin ratings shifted so fast. For example: last week Luers’ SOS was ranked #23, this week it’s #230. How is that possible? Some idiot will say it's because they play conference only but last week were #23 SOS and then play 6a Snider and drop to #230. For those who still claim it's because they play conference only just try to explain that. I dare ya. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonshiners Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 This should clear things up for all of you. https://youtu.be/34Em8BkZYnI 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WCGrad92 Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 Luers wasn' t 23rd last week, they were 23rd the 19th of September. I have no clue why they dropped so much. The majority of the top teams in 2A all reside in the ICC. Must be a pretty good conference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jakone Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 1 hour ago, WCGrad92 said: Luers wasn' t 23rd last week, they were 23rd the 19th of September. I have no clue why they dropped so much. The majority of the top teams in 2A all reside in the ICC. Must be a pretty good conference. Must be a lot better conference than the SAC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South Paw Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 32 minutes ago, jakone said: Must be a lot better conference than the SAC. Must be a lot better than the SIAC too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itiswhatitis Posted October 22, 2020 Author Share Posted October 22, 2020 2 hours ago, WCGrad92 said: Luers wasn' t 23rd last week, they were 23rd the 19th of September. I have no clue why they dropped so much. The majority of the top teams in 2A all reside in the ICC. Must be a pretty good conference. I've written about the ICC several times on here. They are an excellent small school conference with 4A Beech Grove and 1A Lutheran in the mix. I believe Lutheran won the conference this year. There have been a few state champions from this conference in recent years. Very competitive and very balanced. Scecina hasn't won a title, but had back to back appearances in the 1A championship game. And to my knowledge, they have stayed in 2A ever since. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lysander Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 On 10/20/2020 at 11:03 AM, jakone said: Some idiot will say it's because they play conference only but last week were #23 SOS and then play 6a Snider and drop to #230. For those who still claim it's because they play conference only just try to explain that. I dare ya. I find it offensive that you are referring to me indirectly as an “idiot”. I’m a “moron”. Only an idiot would mistake me for an idiot. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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