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How did New Pal Slip So Quickly?


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The loss to Mt Vernon was shocking for many, but in my view, the narrow 17-14 win over Greenfield Central is the even more surprising outcome.

Mt Vernon is a rising power and built to be the next dominant program in the HHC.  

Greenfield Central is 1-3 this year, and has lost 11 straight to New Pal by some horrifically lopsided scores , including these past 5 contests between the two schools 

2019  68-0

2018   76-6

2017    59-3

2016    84-21

2015    77-20

 

GC is 5-26 over the past 3 seasons.  

Can you imagine the reaction had GC pulled off the upset?

Is NP only a 3 point better program than GC?

Whats the scoop?

And might the current reality give Coach R reason to look into some other opportunities?

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3 minutes ago, BDGiant93 said:

I'm sure it's time for contraction.

Seriously, isnt that score a bit shocking?

Kind of like 70-27.  Thats another shocking score.  One that will be remembered.

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7 minutes ago, Muda69 said:

Jimmy's and Joe's beat X's and O's.   Looks the like talent pipeline in New Palestine has started to dry up a little.

 

Didnt expect such a dramatic decline.

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3 minutes ago, Titan32 said:

There could also be some Covid impacts.  This isn't a good year to judge the trajectory of any program.

*cough* Cathedral *cough*

*cough* Center Grove *cough*

So the primary reason these two schools have been dominating their opponents is because those opponents have been depleted by Covid?

 

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*cough* Cathedral *cough*

*cough* Center Grove *cough*

 

I didn't say it was impossible to be successful....the level of impact can vary program to program.  It might effect you (bad luck) it might effect your opponents (good luck).  It is just a bad year to accurately address trajectory given the differing impacts of this crazy season.

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6 minutes ago, Titan32 said:

I didn't say it was impossible to be successful....the level of impact can vary program to program.  It might effect you (bad luck) it might effect your opponents (good luck).  It is just a bad year to accurately address trajectory given the differing impacts of this crazy season.

Are you not slightly shocked by the NP-GC score given their recent "trajectories?"

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7 minutes ago, hhpatriot04 said:

:flush: is trying to argue NP can't reload like top Indy P/Ps... waiting for @crimsonace1 if he wants to stoop to this level of discourse. 

What do you mean by that?  Its a reasonable question to ask.  The most dominating program over the past two years in the state barely got by a team that it has outscored by 60 ppg for 5 years running.

Thats newsworthy in my opinion.

Many factors could be at play :

* COVID is impacting NP more than other programs

* NP still adjusting to massive graduation losses last two years

* Travis Nolting, a state championship level coach, is making strides with his program

* GC was sky high for the game and NP came in flat.

* The NP staff is distracted

 

 

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Shocking? Yes. I felt Coach R built a program that reloads every year, not rebuild. Apparently it happens to the best of programs though. It's happening at Snider. There is no guarantee that every senior class is going to have the leadership and talent of the championship classes before them. What is most shocking of all is the number of top programs who are all down in the very same year. Penn, Snider, New Pal, Ben Davis, and Warren Central. According to Sagarin, Ben Davis is the highest ranked of those five at #18.

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As many of us recall, there were criticisms here regarding some of the scoring differentials in years past between New Pal and many of their opponents.  The reason for those scores from those with some direct knowledge of New Pal was that it essentially had to do with their small roster size and needing to preserve JV players for JV games.  I think varsity roster numbers mentioned weren’t ever more than 45....maybe even in the 30s.
 

Assuming that:

(1) those low numbers still hold true;

(2) there is a just a slight decrease momentarily in talent and ADD; 

(3) COVID roster depletions

and you have a recipe that would potentially drive a team off the cliff.

 

 

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1 minute ago, Whiting89 said:

Didn’t they lose 2 full scholarship D1 players? And a 19 year old man child that’s was a PWO? That’s a lot to replace at any school

Maybe a little karma at play.  NP was the bully of the conference when they poached CS away from a solid Delta program.  It completely destroyed the competitive nature of the conference and whatever equilibrium and competitive balance existed at the time.

 

Just now, DT said:

Maybe a little karma at play.  NP was the bully of the conference when they poached CS away from a solid Delta program.  It completely destroyed the competitive nature of the conference and whatever equilibrium and competitive balance existed at the time.  Perhaps the natural order of things is falling back into place.

 

 

 

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Is DT the antifa of the GID??

4 years of dominance for NewPal and massive graduation and they are dead in the water? Feeling like DT is at the front of the protests with an umbrella and a bag full of molotov cocktails. If inciting proud and hardworking programs is your thing, maybe you join the real movement and use your pen for a non-football cause.
 

Maybe you and Muda can run off together. The socialist and the agitator. Could be the Castro and Che Guevara all over again! 

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3 hours ago, DT said:

The loss to Mt Vernon was shocking for many, but in my view, the narrow 17-14 win over Greenfield Central is the even more surprising outcome.

Mt Vernon is a rising power and built to be the next dominant program in the HHC.  

Greenfield Central is 1-3 this year, and has lost 11 straight to New Pal by some horrifically lopsided scores , including these past 5 contests between the two schools 

2019  68-0

2018   76-6

2017    59-3

2016    84-21

2015    77-20

 

GC is 5-26 over the past 3 seasons.  

Can you imagine the reaction had GC pulled off the upset?

Is NP only a 3 point better program than GC?

Whats the scoop?

And might the current reality give Coach R reason to look into some other opportunities?

They graduated everyone. AND, correct me if I’m wrong, Coach Ralph changed his offense to fit The Big Fella.  I believe Coach Ralph likes to spread it out.  If that’s the case, these kids have yet to run that O, add the fact that they don’t have experience and it’s possible to have a down Sr class too.  Add it all up and you get a mediocre 4-1.   Having said that, I would not want to draw New Pal in the Sectionals. 

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2 hours ago, OldschoolFB said:

They graduated everyone. AND, correct me if I’m wrong, Coach Ralph changed his offense to fit The Big Fella.  I believe Coach Ralph likes to spread it out.  If that’s the case, these kids have yet to run that O, add the fact that they don’t have experience and it’s possible to have a down Sr class too.  Add it all up and you get a mediocre 4-1.   Having said that, I would not want to draw New Pal in the Sectionals. 

There’s a certain school on the East Side of Indianapolis licking their chops hoping New Pal makes it out of sectionals....

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