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***Note...ND fan here, but want to see ALL Indiana football teams (especially the state talent) do well*** I was officiating Pop Warner this am and the PA was giving updates.  Last I heard was wh

I think the biggest takeaway so far is the IU defense. They've been up to the task every week. I remember years ago, when every team would just score at will on the Hoosiers. IU would have to score 40

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24 minutes ago, Irishman said:

Big Ten review crew SUCKS!!!! Way too many mistakes in this; but it is consistent over the years when it comes to IU games. 

OK...except for THAT call. Great job continuing to fight by the Hoosiers

 

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Pennix played like a turd for 58 minutes, then showed that golden arm and the ability to use his feet on the final drive and 2-point conversions. If PSU takes a knee up 21-20 it’s their game, so nobody should say anything about whether that final call was right or wrong. Credit IU’s D, which has never looked better than today. 
But we must still remember this program is still inferior to Kentucky’s! 🎃🙀😹

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27 minutes ago, Staxawax said:

Pennix played like a turd for 58 minutes, then showed that golden arm and the ability to use his feet on the final drive and 2-point conversions. If PSU takes a knee up 21-20 it’s their game, so nobody should say anything about whether that final call was right or wrong. Credit IU’s D, which has never looked better than today. 
But we must still remember this program is still inferior to Kentucky’s! 🎃🙀😹

Kentucky #26 with 20 4 star players

Indiana #53 with five 4 star players.

Not even close.

https://247sports.com/Season/2020-Football/CollegeTeamTalentComposite/

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Indiana is behind Kentucky over the last 5 or so years, maybe more. In recruiting and significant wins.  Anyone can research this, it’s not conjecture.  One huge win for the Hoosiers doesn’t change this advantage.  But it feels pretty good to be on the other side of close games, for a change. 

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49 minutes ago, southend said:

Indiana is behind Kentucky over the last 5 or so years, maybe more. In recruiting and significant wins.  Anyone can research this, it’s not conjecture.  One huge win for the Hoosiers doesn’t change this advantage.  But it feels pretty good to be on the other side of close games, for a change. 

IU does not recruit agaisnt KY, they don't play KY, and in fact rarely play any team in the SEC. So it doesn't matter how they compare. 

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IU has a fairly long history against UK and Ive used the KY program as a measuring stick against IU since the series ended about ten years ago.

The teams were fairly equal back then.  The current data suggests otherwise.

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1 hour ago, DT said:

IU has a fairly long history against UK and Ive used the KY program as a measuring stick against IU since the series ended about ten years ago.

The teams were fairly equal back then.  The current data suggests otherwise.

Kentucky is on the verge of finishing multiple games under .500 while IU won the its most games last year since 1993 and appears on their way to winning at least 5 (if not more) games in a shortened season.

Kentucky won a program best 10 wins two years ago but barely went .500 last year and is sinking fast this year.

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7 hours ago, Footballking16 said:

Kentucky is on the verge of finishing multiple games under .500 while IU won the its most games last year since 1993 and appears on their way to winning at least 5 (if not more) games in a shortened season.

Kentucky won a program best 10 wins two years ago but barely went .500 last year and is sinking fast this year.

They still have much better talent and would be favored by 10-14 in head to head

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1 hour ago, DT said:

They still have much better talent and would be favored by 10-14 in head to head

How do you figure? Penn State has even more talent than Kentucky and was only favored by 6 points yesterday. No chance Kentucky is a 2 score favorite over IU this year if favorites at all.

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IU football earns highest ranking since 1993 after opening with Penn State upset

https://www.indystar.com/story/sports/college/indiana/2020/10/25/indiana-football-debuts-no-17-ap-poll-no-19-coaches-poll/6033883002/

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Beat a top-10 team, get in the top 25.

After receiving just a handful of voting points in the Associated Press and Amway Coaches polls last week, the Hoosiers are now ranked in both polls. IU is No. 17 in the AP and No. 19 in the coaches poll after dropping No. 7 Penn State in Saturday’s overtime thriller at Memorial Stadium.

This is the Hoosiers’ second appearance in the media and coaches polls in as many years, as they landed at No. 24/25 following a 7-2 start to the 2019 season.

This is the Hoosiers’ best ranking in both polls since November 1993, when IU was also the No. 17 team in the AP poll.

IU (1-0, 1-0 Big Ten) will try not to fall out as quickly as they did in 2019. Last year, the Hoosiers were out of the top 25 the very next week, losing to PSU on the road and suffering a clobbering at the hands of Michigan the week after that.

This time, it’s an historic win over PSU — now the No. 17 team in the coaches poll, No. 18 in the AP — that vaults the Hoosiers back into the rankings. It was the program’s first win over a top 10 team since the 1987 squad went to Ohio State and dropped the No. 9 team in the land. The PSU win was also IU’s first victory over a ranked team in Tom Allen’s three-plus seasons as coach.

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2 hours ago, Footballking16 said:

How do you figure? Penn State has even more talent than Kentucky and was only favored by 6 points yesterday. No chance Kentucky is a 2 score favorite over IU this year if favorites at all.

DT doesn’t care about what would happen on the field. It’s all about the stars given a HS player which are often inflated by how many offers one has.

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1 hour ago, Staxawax said:

DT doesn’t care about what would happen on the field. It’s all about the stars given a HS player which are often inflated by how many offers one has.

The recruiting rankings and star ratings given to prospects are completed through  a very methodical, scientific and comprehensive process    I trust them implicitly.

 There will always be outliers,  Players who achieve beyond the expectations of their individual ratings.  Teams that perform well above their grade (IU vs PSU) and others that consistently perform well below their ranking (TN/ARK)

But for the overwhelming majority of all outcomes, the teams with the highest ranked players always come out on top.  The composite rankings in fact have become so precise that they almost mirror the actual media and coaches rankings before and throughout the season.

AL, GA, CL and OSU are herad and shoulders above all others in the recruiting composite.  You could just cancel the rest of the season and throw those 4 into the ring and let them play it out to see who in fact is indeed the best.

 

 

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5 hours ago, Muda69 said:

Sure helps in the recruiting process. It’s a weapon indiana isn’t used to having. 
It has been used against them for several years. 

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8 hours ago, DT said:

The recruiting rankings and star ratings given to prospects are completed through  a very methodical, scientific and comprehensive process    I trust them implicitly.

 There will always be outliers,  Players who achieve beyond the expectations of their individual ratings.  Teams that perform well above their grade (IU vs PSU) and others that consistently perform well below their ranking (TN/ARK)

But for the overwhelming majority of all outcomes, the teams with the highest ranked players always come out on top.  The composite rankings in fact have become so precise that they almost mirror the actual media and coaches rankings before and throughout the season.

AL, GA, CL and OSU are herad and shoulders above all others in the recruiting composite.  You could just cancel the rest of the season and throw those 4 into the ring and let them play it out to see who in fact is indeed the best.

 

 

I don't think it's any earth shattering revelation to conclude that the teams who recruit the best usually have the best success. But the gap between teams like Alabama, Clemson, Ohio State, and Georgia are off the chart wide. The gap between teams like Indiana and Kentucky aren't nearly as wide as at the top. 

Per the 247 composite you referenced up top, Kentucky's average recruit score is 86.95 (out of 100). IU's average recruit score is 84.66. That's not a huge discrepancy. Georgia, Alabama, Ohio State are all 92+ and Clemson comes in at 90. Huge separation between them and the rest of the field. 

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14 minutes ago, Footballking16 said:

I don't think it's any earth shattering revelation to conclude that the teams who recruit the best usually have the best success. But the gap between teams like Alabama, Clemson, Ohio State, and Georgia are off the chart wide. The gap between teams like Indiana and Kentucky aren't nearly as wide as at the top. 

Per the 247 composite you referenced up top, Kentucky's average recruit score is 86.95 (out of 100). IU's average recruit score is 84.66. That's not a huge discrepancy. Georgia, Alabama, Ohio State are all 92+ and Clemson comes in at 90. Huge separation between them and the rest of the field. 

In my view, its the difference between 3 star and 4 star recruits that separate the really good teams from the average ones.  

Indiana couldnt sniff a 4 star for decades.  They are starting to build their 4 star base and its showing in their improved performance on the field.

This might be Allen's single greatest accomplishment thus far.  

 

 

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16 minutes ago, DT said:

In my view, its the difference between 3 star and 4 star recruits that separate the really good teams from the average ones.  

Indiana couldnt sniff a 4 star for decades.  They are starting to build their 4 star base and its showing in their improved performance on the field.

This might be Allen's single greatest accomplishment thus far.  

 

 

There's a huge gap between a 5* and a 4* and 4* and a 3*. Dissecting recruiting rankings, skill position players seem to warrant more stars than lineman, especially on the offensive side of the ball. Outside the top 200-300 prospects in any given year, football is a development sport. I don't think there's much difference between a low 4* and a high 3*, at least in the sense you make it out to be. Unless you're stockpiling your two deep with 5* (Alabama, Clemson, Ohio State, etc) I think recruiting rankings are pretty meaningless. Give me the coach/program who develops their players, especially their line the best. 

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2 minutes ago, Footballking16 said:

There's a huge gap between a 5* and a 4* and 4* and a 3*. Dissecting recruiting rankings, skill position players seem to warrant more stars than lineman, especially on the offensive side of the ball. Outside the top 200-300 prospects in any given year, football is a development sport. I don't think there's much difference between a low 4* and a high 3*, at least in the sense you make it out to be. Unless you're stockpiling your two deep with 5* (Alabama, Clemson, Ohio State, etc) I think recruiting rankings are pretty meaningless. Give me the coach/program who develops their players, especially their line the best. 

Im perplexed how you could make such a ridiculous statement

There is nothing more critical to success in college football than recruiting.  You can be the best college  football coach that God ever created, but your 2.9 star roster is rarely going to beat the 4.3 star roster, if ever

 

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2 minutes ago, DT said:

Im perplexed how you could make such a ridiculous statement

There is nothing more critical to success in college football than recruiting.  You can be the best college  football coach that God ever created, but your 2.9 star roster is rarely going to beat the 4.3 star roster, if ever

With today’s brand of football - spread out all over the field exploiting athletic mismatches - it’s more true than ever.

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8 minutes ago, DT said:

Im perplexed how you could make such a ridiculous statement

There is nothing more critical to success in college football than recruiting.  You can be the best college  football coach that God ever created, but your 2.9 star roster is rarely going to beat the 4.3 star roster, if ever

 

Yep.  It's the old, but true, cliche:  "Jimmy's and Joe's beat X's & O's".  Practically every time.

 

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