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Watched the game last night.  Roncalli looks really, really, really good.  Just dominant on the line of scrimmage.  They have not been good the last couple years.  New coach make that much of a difference?  New Pal JV took a mash unit to Roncalli the last week of the regular season, and the Rebels (can I still say that?) have some nice young pieces as well.  Impressive turnaround.

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25 minutes ago, CaptainHook said:

Watched the game last night.  Roncalli looks really, really, really good.  Just dominant on the line of scrimmage.  They have not been good the last couple years.  New coach make that much of a difference?  New Pal JV took a mash unit to Roncalli the last week of the regular season, and the Rebels (can I still say that?) have some nice young pieces as well.  Impressive turnaround.

Addition by subtraction?

I’ve been on their bandwagon since Chatard played them Game 2.

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Roncalli Junior and Sophmore classes are loaded   Three CYO Cadet football champions in those grades.  The lineman  In those classes are good.   Last year I counted the roster and there were maybe 5 senior OL/DL  Hard to win with young lines   

The Leffler kid comes from a very athletic family.  Grandpa was coach at Scecina and Dad was on state championship team there.   He is going to own every Roncalli passing record by the time he leaves.  So will the JR WR. 
 

there is a bug drop off at this year’s FR class, but it looks like a solid 3 year run coming.  
 

I would agree the coaching change may have also contributed. 

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15 minutes ago, fenderbender said:

Roncalli Junior and Sophmore classes are loaded   Three CYO Cadet football champions in those grades.  The lineman  In those classes are good.   Last year I counted the roster and there were maybe 5 senior OL/DL  Hard to win with young lines   

The Leffler kid comes from a very athletic family.  Grandpa was coach at Scecina and Dad was on state championship team there.   He is going to own every Roncalli passing record by the time he leaves.  So will the JR WR. 
 

there is a bug drop off at this year’s FR class, but it looks like a solid 3 year run coming.  
 

I would agree the coaching change may have also contributed. 

Agree, this is Roncalli's smallest freshman team in many, many years both in terms of roster size and physical size.  Roncalli will only get better the next two years but Chatard will be moving up to 4A. 

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14 hours ago, FCGriz said:

Agree, this is Roncalli's smallest freshman team in many, many years both in terms of roster size and physical size.  Roncalli will only get better the next two years but Chatard will be moving up to 4A. 

Chatards SO class is not your typical Chatard.   Roncalli SO Class beat them 30-6 as FR and game was not that close.  Roncalli JV also won this year with 4 of the SO lineman starting varsity.   

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4 minutes ago, fenderbender said:

Chatards SO class is not your typical Chatard.   Roncalli SO Class beat them 30-6 as FR and game was not that close.  Roncalli JV also won this year with 4 of the SO lineman starting varsity.   

Agreed, Chatard is moving up to 4A just in time for what is expected to be a very down two years. Should make for a more interesting sectional for roncalli, but I think Chatard will have a tough time in the post season for the next two. Good news is their freshman class is the best they've had in a long time.

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This year has been pointed to by those within the Roncalli community for awhile now.

Coach Rodenberg is doing a fantastic job, but you could see this success coming without a coaching change. Strong sophomore and junior classes complimented by several seniors with lots of experience.

Roncalli was fantastic under Coach Marsh in his first year, ranked #1 in 5A for a majority of the year and losing in a close game to Cathedral in the sectional.

After that year, they were really hurt by missing out on some big-time talent from their traditional feeder programs for a variety of reasons. Eddie Schott (St. Jude) went to Southport where his dad works and is now at Ball State. Ryan Lezon (St. Barnabas) same scenario. Nate McCahill, who is having a fantastic season at Cathedral, also attended a south side catholic school. These are just the big examples as there have been several others.

People point to “recruiting” with Roncalli (which is bogus). The real recipe for success for all Indianapolis parochial schools (Chatard, Scecina, Ritter, Roncalli) is if they can keep all of the talent from their feeder schools. Roncalli has done that in the past several classes and it is now showing.

It showed in 2016 as well, as that team was driven by strong junior and senior classes in which most or all of their feeder school talent went to Roncalli.

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On 11/16/2020 at 9:54 AM, DL6 said:

This year has been pointed to by those within the Roncalli community for awhile now.

Coach Rodenberg is doing a fantastic job, but you could see this success coming without a coaching change. Strong sophomore and junior classes complimented by several seniors with lots of experience.

Roncalli was fantastic under Coach Marsh in his first year, ranked #1 in 5A for a majority of the year and losing in a close game to Cathedral in the sectional.

After that year, they were really hurt by missing out on some big-time talent from their traditional feeder programs for a variety of reasons. Eddie Schott (St. Jude) went to Southport where his dad works and is now at Ball State. Ryan Lezon (St. Barnabas) same scenario. Nate McCahill, who is having a fantastic season at Cathedral, also attended a south side catholic school. These are just the big examples as there have been several others.

People point to “recruiting” with Roncalli (which is bogus). The real recipe for success for all Indianapolis parochial schools (Chatard, Scecina, Ritter, Roncalli) is if they can keep all of the talent from their feeder schools. Roncalli has done that in the past several classes and it is now showing.

It showed in 2016 as well, as that team was driven by strong junior and senior classes in which most or all of their feeder school talent went to Roncalli.

Well said.  I also think they have a pretty awesome Offensive Coordinator, but I am a little biased I admit. :)

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On 11/16/2020 at 9:54 AM, DL6 said:

This year has been pointed to by those within the Roncalli community for awhile now.

Coach Rodenberg is doing a fantastic job, but you could see this success coming without a coaching change. Strong sophomore and junior classes complimented by several seniors with lots of experience.

Roncalli was fantastic under Coach Marsh in his first year, ranked #1 in 5A for a majority of the year and losing in a close game to Cathedral in the sectional.

After that year, they were really hurt by missing out on some big-time talent from their traditional feeder programs for a variety of reasons. Eddie Schott (St. Jude) went to Southport where his dad works and is now at Ball State. Ryan Lezon (St. Barnabas) same scenario. Nate McCahill, who is having a fantastic season at Cathedral, also attended a south side catholic school. These are just the big examples as there have been several others.

People point to “recruiting” with Roncalli (which is bogus). The real recipe for success for all Indianapolis parochial schools (Chatard, Scecina, Ritter, Roncalli) is if they can keep all of the talent from their feeder schools. Roncalli has done that in the past several classes and it is now showing.

It showed in 2016 as well, as that team was driven by strong junior and senior classes in which most or all of their feeder school talent went to Roncalli.

Recruiting is no longer (if it ever was) a logical complaint that can be used as open borders basically allow every school to "recruit."  The public schools just justify it in the current era by saying, "Privates have done it for years and we are just trying to keep up."

Basketball "recruiting" is as rampant as its ever been, especially in central Indiana right now.  It has become about stockpiling as much talent as you can based on summer leagues and friendships formed in the offseason between players and coaches as well as players and other players.

The "real" recipe (folks are going to get tired of me saying this in every thread) is the fact that families that send their kids to parochial schools are most often affluent, two parent households, with college educated parents who place a high priority on education.  THAT is the difference more so than "keeping all of their talent from their feeder schools."

Privates will always have an advantage and its not due to recruiting as much as it is due to SES.

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1 hour ago, temptation said:

Recruiting is no longer (if it ever was) a logical complaint that can be used as open borders basically allow every school to "recruit."  The public schools just justify it in the current era by saying, "Privates have done it for years and we are just trying to keep up."

Basketball "recruiting" is as rampant as its ever been, especially in central Indiana right now.  It has become about stockpiling as much talent as you can based on summer leagues and friendships formed in the offseason between players and coaches as well as players and other players.

The "real" recipe (folks are going to get tired of me saying this in every thread) is the fact that families that send their kids to parochial schools are most often affluent, two parent households, with college educated parents who place a high priority on education.  THAT is the difference more so than "keeping all of their talent from their feeder schools."

Privates will always have an advantage and its not due to recruiting as much as it is due to SES.

Yep, basically.  You may have some successful parochials who service financially distressed communities but this is mostly it.

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