FastpacedO Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 12 minutes ago, Jon said: if CG did not throw pick 6, If CG did not miss easy field goal, ... CG Wins easy. Both sides could If all day long. At the end of day Cathedral QB Had 126 yds passing and 2 yds rushing He also didn't throw as many passes in the 4th qtr because they were protecting a lead and running the ball well with Jake Langdon. I just gave a better picture of the scores of those games, comp percentage, TD's and Int's. Shows a better picture of why he may have only thrown for 123 yds compared to some other QB's who were chucking it up because they were down 35. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
temptation Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 Not sure why we are even having this conversation. Was Steele defending those 17 passes McCahill threw? Too many in-game variables (mentioned above) to try to use the transitive property. I'd ask what Steele's stats were against Cathedral but it does not matter because McCahill wasn't playing defense. This isn't an NFL promo where folks are tricked into tuning in for Brees vs Brady. In fact it's Brees vs Brady's defense and vice versa. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FastpacedO Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 7 minutes ago, temptation said: Not sure why we are even having this conversation. Was Steele defending those 17 passes McCahill threw? Too many in-game variables (mentioned above) to try to use the transitive property. I'd ask what Steele's stats were against Cathedral but it does not matter because McCahill wasn't playing defense. This isn't an NFL promo where folks are tricked into tuning in for Brees vs Brady. In fact it's Brees vs Brady's defense and vice versa. Ding Ding winner winner chicken dinner. What did Carson Steel do against Indiana's #1 Defense CG? We'll never know because he never played for the mentioned teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footballking16 Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 51 minutes ago, Jon said: if CG did not throw pick 6, If CG did not miss easy field goal, ... CG Wins easy. Both sides could If all day long. At the end of day Cathedral QB Had 126 yds passing and 2 yds rushing But Mr. Football isn’t, or at least shouldn’t, come down to one game. McCahill’s overall body of work against the likely hardest schedule in the Midwest is better than Steele’s. I’m still on record in saying that Steele wins the award. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FastpacedO Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 1 hour ago, Jon said: Center grove coaching staff did nothing to help Steele out in the stat game. cg total rushing plays 607 Steele 264 Example: Steele Rushing: Att 4 yrds 46 avg 11.5 tds 3 Recieving: Att 1 yrds 41 tds 1 Second RB Daniel Weems Att 7 yrds 32 avg 4.6 tds 2 Why would second RB get more attempts than number one? Because a great team isn't about stats, nor is the game of football. So if a coach see's a team loading the box with 8 players and you have the top RB in the state, do you run it or do you hit a quick pass. Likely that game what the defense was giving was running plays that were better for Daniel Weems because they were taking away the run plays that could go to Carson Steele. In jest it's not about getting a player stats its about winning the game and what plays can get you to that. As many yards as Nate McCahill had, a lot of it was reading what the defense was giving. Be is it on the Zone Read or Run pass option. McCahill had very little rush yards against Zionsville. Zionsville took that away placing focus on stopping him run. So in turn he handed to Langson who ripped off 136 yards rushing and they turned to the air more where McCahill passed for 300+. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHJIrish Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 9 hours ago, Jon said: Against Best defense in the state of Indiana (Center Grove) Cathedral Nathan Mccahill had the 7th best performance Lawrence North Donaven Mcculle Pass: 16-28, 256 yds, 1 tds Ben Davis J'uan Swanson - Jr Pass: 17-27, 223 yds, 1 tds Ben Davis J'uan Swanson - Jr (simi-state) Pass: 15-30, 207 yds, 2 tds Pike Anthony Cialdella - Sr Pass: 15-33, 195 yds, 1 tds Westfield Maximus Webster - SR Pass: 16-28, 160 yds, 1 tds Decatur Central Peyton Horsley - Sr Pass: 9-19, 157 yds, 1 tds Cathedral Nathan Mccahill - Sr Pass: 10-17, 126 yds, 1 tds But his team came within 16.4 seconds of winning the game! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHJIrish Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 8 hours ago, FastpacedO said: He also didn't throw as many passes in the 4th qtr because they were protecting a lead and running the ball well with Jake Langdon. I just gave a better picture of the scores of those games, comp percentage, TD's and Int's. Shows a better picture of why he may have only thrown for 123 yds compared to some other QB's who were chucking it up because they were down 35. I also must note that the QB is not always about passing stats, it's about leadership and no one led their team better than McCahill. His coach even stated that Nate was almost like another assistant coach on the sidelines. He had a lot of intangibles that don't show on a stat sheet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grover Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 10 hours ago, temptation said: Playing the other side of the coin, how many other RB's could you plug into Center Grove's system and they equaled or bettered Steele's rushing numbers? Hell, you might not even have to go to another team. Steele averaged 6.3 yards per carry this fall and Daniel Weems averaged 5.6. Not really a significant drop off. Sure. Because defenses were all keying on Steele. There's much more to it than stats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grover Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 9 hours ago, Jon said: Center grove coaching staff did nothing to help Steele out in the stat game. That's the way it should be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grover Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 7 hours ago, Jon said: You picked Steele so you think the award is for Indiana high school body of work over four years? They showed that one good year doesn't mean anything when Russ Yeast didn't win. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footballking16 Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 9 hours ago, Jon said: You picked Steele so you think the award is for Indiana high school body of work over four years? No basing it off him being the best skill position player on the best team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FastpacedO Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 11 hours ago, Grover said: They showed that one good year doesn't mean anything when Russ Yeast didn't win. Agreed! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
temptation Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 (edited) 11 hours ago, Footballking16 said: No basing it off him being the best skill position player on the best team. "No basing it off him being the best SENIOR skill position player on the best team." Fixed it for you and think this should be considered. Steele's QB has SIX offers from power 5 programs... Edited December 3, 2020 by temptation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1st_and_10 Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 The position award winners are out there... One of the position winners will be your Mr. Football 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Nowlin Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 My vote has been casted 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fenderbender Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 Wow, Cathedral QB did not even get the position award. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StatQueen Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 2 hours ago, 1st_and_10 said: The position award winners are out there... One of the position winners will be your Mr. Football Has to be the Warhorse for Mr. Football! Great Year, Even better Career... has played the toughest schedule year in and year out. It's not even close this year. Love the McCulley kid, but #30 flat-out deserves that award! #SteeleforMrFootball2020 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StatQueen Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 On 12/2/2020 at 10:15 AM, FastpacedO said: How many of those QB's were down by multiple scores in the 2nd half and needed to throw to play catch-up and abandon the run? Did McCahill have his best game against CG? Nope. Did he have a terrible game? Nope. It was 13-10 Cathedral with the lead with 1:19 in the 4th qtr. We all know what happened from there the Irish decided to go for it and selected a play Coach Peebles admitted he wish he would have picked a different play. How many teams had Center Grove on the ropes with 1:19 left in the 4th in an eventual 17-13 loss. McCahill did nothing to lose the game had no turnovers and played well enough for them to win. By the way McCahill was 12 of 19 for 123 yds. 63 Comp % and 10.3 yds per play 1 TD 0 Int's. Love the McCahill kid. Great HS dual threat QB. I will say his stats are inflated due to their Jet Sweep being run as a "pass" in the statbook. Makes those TDs, yards passing, And completion % appear way better than reality. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FarmerFran Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 This looks like a great year for a lineman to win! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StatQueen Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 Just now, FarmerFran said: This looks like a great year for a lineman to win! No way! What a joke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FarmerFran Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 1 hour ago, StatQueen said: No way! What a joke. Why shouldn’t it be? Steele is a fantastic player playing on the best/ most loaded team in the state. Put him on another team is he as dominant? I think that Fisher would be the same force regardless of where he is playing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CGFan2017 Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 16 minutes ago, FarmerFran said: Why shouldn’t it be? Steele is a fantastic player playing on the best/ most loaded team in the state. Put him on another team is he as dominant? I think that Fisher would be the same force regardless of where he is playing. He was on some of the least talented CG teams that they had in the last decade and was the best player since his freshman year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StatQueen Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 15 minutes ago, FarmerFran said: Why shouldn’t it be? Steele is a fantastic player playing on the best/ most loaded team in the state. Put him on another team is he as dominant? I think that Fisher would be the same force regardless of where he is playing. This is ridiculous. Steele would be a force anywhere. When he was out last year with an injury the young Trojans struggled offensively. Then we he got healthy they got going. There is a reason no linemen win the Heisman or NFL MVP. Get a clue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footballking16 Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 3 hours ago, fenderbender said: Wow, Cathedral QB did not even get the position award. McCahill didn’t even win the QB award??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FarmerFran Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 41 minutes ago, StatQueen said: This is ridiculous. Steele would be a force anywhere. When he was out last year with an injury the young Trojans struggled offensively. Then we he got healthy they got going. There is a reason no linemen win the Heisman or NFL MVP. Get a clue. It’s an award for the best player. Not a popularity contest. If mr Steele was the best player in the state surely his collegiate offers would match that namesake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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