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Congratulations Carson Steele

The problem with this post is you are pretending that the vote is being done by "an average person"    This not being voted on by Media, By sports reporters, this is being voted on by entire IFCA

They showed that one good year doesn't mean anything when Russ Yeast didn't win.

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10 minutes ago, StatQueen said:

Lol. Ya. This sounds real classy. What a joke. Typical Cathy parent throwing a tantrum. Get your own field too while you're at it. 

Thanks for answering my questions and as always you and your program are in no position to speak on class.  This is far from a tantrum madam, Carson Steele is and has been your Mr. Football way before today.  Your recent comments since you either just found the forum or finally decided to stop being a lurker, have spawned this desire to put you in your place.  Thanks for trying though.

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5 minutes ago, IndplsCathedral_Dad said:

Thanks for answering my questions and as always you and your program are in no position to speak on class.  This is far from a tantrum madam, Carson Steele is and has been your Mr. Football way before today.  Your recent comments since you either just found the forum or finally decided to stop being a lurker, have spawned this desire to put you in your place.  Thanks for trying though.

Hahahaha.... Thank You for trying! You're the one that started going after the Rebels program, dont get mad cause you got served.  

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First of all it's good to hear from the southside PP again.  It has been a long silence.  It must mean that they are doing well and Cathedral is also doing well, and that's all good.

I probably have attended more Indiana High School football games than anyone on this site.  That and $5 will get me a Starbucks special.  I have never seen one player mean so much to his team than Nathan McCaill has against such a top notch  schedule.  I don't have to repeat that schedule because it has been rehashed here a lot already.  I'm not much on stats on a player's worthiness, I much prefer my own eyeball test.  These old eyeballs have seen few QB's have a better season than Nate.  His leadership has been incredible.  Now it's true that I'm prejudiced and an Irish fanboy, but I've never been one to be blinded by partisanship when it comes to accolades.  If a player is outstanding I like to believe I am quick to acknowledge that.  I'm sure Nate is the kind of young man that treasures a championship ring more than is own personal rewards and he has that, and so does his teammates.  They have those rings because of their hard work and the leadership of Nathan McCahill.  Well, I shouldn't forget the leadership of our great coaching staff either.  It's been a fun season and I was blessed to attend most of the games.

I don't understand the vote for the Mr. Football position award for QB.  There's a lot of things I don't understand but I know that there are a lot of those that voted for this award post on this site, and I would like for them to help me understand their vote or the reasoning behind theirs and other's decision.

We all know life isn't always "fair" (there's that word) but there are times when we just need to know "why."

I hope everyone has a very blessed Immaculate Conception Day!

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2 hours ago, PHJIrish said:

First of all it's good to hear from the southside PP again.  It has been a long silence.  It must mean that they are doing well and Cathedral is also doing well, and that's all good.

I probably have attended more Indiana High School football games than anyone on this site.  That and $5 will get me a Starbucks special.  I have never seen one player mean so much to his team than Nathan McCaill has against such a top notch  schedule.  I don't have to repeat that schedule because it has been rehashed here a lot already.  I'm not much on stats on a player's worthiness, I much prefer my own eyeball test.  These old eyeballs have seen few QB's have a better season than Nate.  His leadership has been incredible.  Now it's true that I'm prejudiced and an Irish fanboy, but I've never been one to be blinded by partisanship when it comes to accolades.  If a player is outstanding I like to believe I am quick to acknowledge that.  I'm sure Nate is the kind of young man that treasures a championship ring more than is own personal rewards and he has that, and so does his teammates.  They have those rings because of their hard work and the leadership of Nathan McCahill.  Well, I shouldn't forget the leadership of our great coaching staff either.  It's been a fun season and I was blessed to attend most of the games.

I don't understand the vote for the Mr. Football position award for QB.  There's a lot of things I don't understand but I know that there are a lot of those that voted for this award post on this site, and I would like for them to help me understand their vote or the reasoning behind theirs and other's decision.

We all know life isn't always "fair" (there's that word) but there are times when we just need to know "why."

I hope everyone has a very blessed Immaculate Conception Day!

You're underestimating what Donnie McCaulley brought to the table for LN!!  No one is saying McCahill isn't great, they are just saying #1 from LN was the guy this year, and last year, and the year before that.  He was the reason, the catapult, that made LN legit.  His leadership and work ethic were awarded with NUMEROUS D-1 offers, and he elected to go down to Bloomington to continue his career.  His team wasn't as good as McCahill's, so he didn't beat WC in the sectional and get another shot at CG.  What great program did Cathedral have to get by in order to get to Lucas Oil?  Whiteland ain't WC.  There is no comparison here.  Love the McCahill kid's game, but Donnie was on another level, and rightly given the Mr. Football position award this year. I hope that helps answer your question and their thought process.  Makes total to sense to most.

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3 hours ago, PHJIrish said:

First of all it's good to hear from the southside PP again.  It has been a long silence.  It must mean that they are doing well and Cathedral is also doing well, and that's all good.

I probably have attended more Indiana High School football games than anyone on this site.  That and $5 will get me a Starbucks special.  I have never seen one player mean so much to his team than Nathan McCaill has against such a top notch  schedule.  I don't have to repeat that schedule because it has been rehashed here a lot already.  I'm not much on stats on a player's worthiness, I much prefer my own eyeball test.  These old eyeballs have seen few QB's have a better season than Nate.  His leadership has been incredible.  Now it's true that I'm prejudiced and an Irish fanboy, but I've never been one to be blinded by partisanship when it comes to accolades.  If a player is outstanding I like to believe I am quick to acknowledge that.  I'm sure Nate is the kind of young man that treasures a championship ring more than is own personal rewards and he has that, and so does his teammates.  They have those rings because of their hard work and the leadership of Nathan McCahill.  Well, I shouldn't forget the leadership of our great coaching staff either.  It's been a fun season and I was blessed to attend most of the games.

I don't understand the vote for the Mr. Football position award for QB.  There's a lot of things I don't understand but I know that there are a lot of those that voted for this award post on this site, and I would like for them to help me understand their vote or the reasoning behind theirs and other's decision.

We all know life isn't always "fair" (there's that word) but there are times when we just need to know "why."

I hope everyone has a very blessed Immaculate Conception Day!

I would say both had excellent seasons/careers, both were very deserving of the honor, and you couldn't go wrong with either choice. Picking one over the other is not a slight on the other. I wouldn't have been shocked with either choice.

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2 hours ago, StatQueen said:

You're underestimating what Donnie McCaulley brought to the table for LN!!  No one is saying McCahill isn't great, they are just saying #1 from LN was the guy this year, and last year, and the year before that.  He was the reason, the catapult, that made LN legit.  His leadership and work ethic were awarded with NUMEROUS D-1 offers, and he elected to go down to Bloomington to continue his career.  His team wasn't as good as McCahill's, so he didn't beat WC in the sectional and get another shot at CG.  What great program did Cathedral have to get by in order to get to Lucas Oil?  Whiteland ain't WC.  There is no comparison here.  Love the McCahill kid's game, but Donnie was on another level, and rightly given the Mr. Football position award this year. I hope that helps answer your question and their thought process.  Makes total to sense to most.

Its the 2020, Mr. Football Award.  What was done prior to 2020 should be irrelevant in my opinion.  

While you're at it (playing the team strength award), did McCahill have a weapon target on his team as lethal/talented as Omar Cooper?  This argument works both ways.

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32 minutes ago, temptation said:

Its the 2020, Mr. Football Award.  What was done prior to 2020 should be irrelevant in my opinion.  

While you're at it (playing the team strength award), did McCahill have a weapon target on his team as lethal/talented as Omar Cooper?  This argument works both ways.

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!  This is truly laughable!!  He had the Mr. Football Receiver winner... so ya, I'd say he had some weapons.  Just Stop!!  You're getting ludicrous now.  It's over.  Move On.

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10 minutes ago, StatQueen said:

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!  This is truly laughable!!  He had the Mr. Football Receiver winner... so ya, I'd say he had some weapons.  Just Stop!!  You're getting ludicrous now.  It's over.  Move On.

Only because Omar Cooper is a junior.  Both he, and Jordan are absolute studs but there is a reason that Cooper has over a half dozen power 5 offers and Jordan's major offers are from MAC schools.

So, no.  It's not over.

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40 minutes ago, temptation said:

Only because Omar Cooper is a junior.  Both he, and Jordan are absolute studs but there is a reason that Cooper has over a half dozen power 5 offers and Jordan's major offers are from MAC schools.

So, no.  It's not over.

To be honest... the Irish faithful should feel great about their QB making top 50... personally i think the 5a team was more accurate... some of those all state QBs didnt have the weapons like the Irish had. Heck the CG and Westfield QBs are both way better then the Irish QB... but only juniors so they did y'all a favor and put them on the underclass squad. Awesome accomplishments for all. The Team matters most anyways, Unless you're talking to travel baseball peeps.

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3 minutes ago, StatQueen said:

To be honest... the Irish faithful should feel great about their QB making top 50... personally i think the 5a team was more accurate... some of those all state QBs didnt have the weapons like the Irish had. Heck the CG and Westfield QBs are both way better then the Irish QB... but only juniors so they did y'all a favor and put them on the underclass squad. Awesome accomplishments for all. The Team matters most anyways, Unless you're talking to travel baseball peeps.

We got to witness first hand who the better QB was between Westfield and Cathedral first one was 7 of 14 99 yds 2 TD 8 carries for 30 yds, the other 18 of 26 201 yds 5 TD's 7 carries 109 yds 2 TD's.

In the CG game CG's QB wasn't having his best game even throwing a pick 6 that covered 70 yds. He did though redeem himself with the final drive after Cathedral turned it over on downs. That being said with the style of Offense CG has they don't always unleash to show what their QB can do so it's a tough comparison.

I'll also state Cathedral's WR wasn't going to get a lot of offers for football because he already committed to playing baseball at Louisville and schools found he would be pursuing baseball not football.

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6 minutes ago, FastpacedO said:

We got to witness first hand who the better QB was between Westfield and Cathedral first one was 7 of 14 99 yds 2 TD 8 carries for 30 yds, the other 18 of 26 201 yds 5 TD's 7 carries 109 yds 2 TD's.

In the CG game CG's QB wasn't having his best game even throwing a pick 6 that covered 70 yds. He did though redeem himself with the final drive after Cathedral turned it over on downs. That being said with the style of Offense CG has they don't always unleash to show what their QB can do so it's a tough comparison.

I'll also state Cathedral's WR wasn't going to get a lot of offers for football because he already committed to playing baseball at Louisville and schools found he would be pursuing baseball not football.

I heard Webster wasn’t the starting QB at that time, no?

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On 12/7/2020 at 6:47 PM, StatQueen said:

Speaking of Cathy kids... the Ekiyor kid was way better than this Avon kid. Id vote for McCahill over him.

Not so fast my friend.  Look at their tapes next to one another.  Both dominant at their positions, however neither is WAY better than the other.  You could, in fact make a pretty solid argument that one has much more impressive highlights!  #Fisher4MRFBALL

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22 hours ago, eschnur66 said:

Not so fast my friend.  Look at their tapes next to one another.  Both dominant at their positions, however neither is WAY better than the other.  You could, in fact make a pretty solid argument that one has much more impressive highlights!  #Fisher4MRFBALL

I will make the solid argument for Emil Ekiyor (there is a reason he is starting at Alabama right now). Here is 1 highlight tape of his Sr season at Cathedral. He made a switch from Tackle to Center (his Tackle highlights are just as good as his Center highlights. He is a Guard for Alabama currently very fundamental and multi position OL. That being said Fisher is a great OL as well.

 

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23 hours ago, eschnur66 said:

Not so fast my friend.  Look at their tapes next to one another.  Both dominant at their positions, however neither is WAY better than the other.  You could, in fact make a pretty solid argument that one has much more impressive highlights!  #Fisher4MRFBALL

NEVER EVER EVER is a linemen going to win MVP, Heisman, or Mr. Football.  Nor should they.  If that was the case, if they affected the game that much then Avon would have got out of the sectional.  Come on.   It is what it is.  QB, RB, WR, DB, LB they all affect the game way more.  The patriots or colts don't win those superbowl's without Brady or Manning.  The Chargers were never close without LT.  Facts are Facts.

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I can think of 20 to 30 position players this year from 1A to 6A that all deserve Mr. Football before an O-Lineman.  Now, if he never cam off the field, played both ways at a 6A school and was so dominant that he lead his team to a state title... maybe you could make a tiny argument, but that will never happen either.  Sorry!  Mr. Football for the Oline is what you get, and you should be extremely happy and proud with that distinction.

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2 hours ago, StatQueen said:

NEVER EVER EVER is a linemen going to win MVP, Heisman, or Mr. Football

Already happened, so it won't be never ever ever... may never ever ever happen again but it has happened. You seem really passionate about this, did an O-linemen do you wrong at some point in life? 

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12 minutes ago, Cappy said:

Already happened, so it won't be never ever ever... may never ever ever happen again but it has happened. You seem really passionate about this, did an O-linemen do you wrong at some point in life? 

NEVER, EVER has our society been so obsessed and numbers/stat driven.  Pancake blocks just don't stand out to the average person (sorry @Coach Nowlin) as much as yardage and touchdowns.

Not sure we will ever see a primarily defensive player win it again either, unless he takes significant snaps on offense.

 

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42 minutes ago, Cappy said:

Already happened, so it won't be never ever ever... may never ever ever happen again but it has happened. You seem really passionate about this, did an O-linemen do you wrong at some point in life? 

Not at all. The game is mostly won and lost in the trenches... nothing but respect for the bigs....but awards like MVP and Heisman arent for them. Sorry. 

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18 minutes ago, StatQueen said:

Not at all. The game is mostly won and lost in the trenches... nothing but respect for the bigs....but awards like MVP and Heisman arent for them. Sorry. 

I hope one day we have a lineman win again, I think it will have to be a lineman that dominates on both sides of the ball for a state championship team. 

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1 hour ago, temptation said:

NEVER, EVER has our society been so obsessed and numbers/stat driven.  Pancake blocks just don't stand out to the average person (sorry @Coach Nowlin) as much as yardage and touchdowns.

Not sure we will ever see a primarily defensive player win it again either, unless he takes significant snaps on offense.

 

The problem with this post is you are pretending that the vote is being done by "an average person"   

This not being voted on by Media, By sports reporters, this is being voted on by entire IFCA membership.   

So what I am saying, is that perhaps, just maybe, that COACHES, may just value a STUD OFFENSIVE LINEMAN who had pick of the liter in offers, choosing to go to Notre Dame, just may find his name on Mr. Football this year.  Perhaps it will be QB or WR or RB too, however, these sentiments are living in past protocol, this is year 2 of full state wide vote, not just a limited amount.  

So Society does not matter, and the average person does not matter.   COACHES, they however, they matter in this particalar case and I personaly take this reponsibility in the vote very serious and appreciate IFCA moving to this protocol 

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, Coach Nowlin said:

The problem with this post is you are pretending that the vote is being done by "an average person"   

This not being voted on by Media, By sports reporters, this is being voted on by entire IFCA membership.   

So what I am saying, is that perhaps, just maybe, that COACHES, may just value a STUD OFFENSIVE LINEMAN who had pick of the liter in offers, choosing to go to Notre Dame, just may find his name on Mr. Football this year.  Perhaps it will be QB or WR or RB too, however, these sentiments are living in past protocol, this is year 2 of full state wide vote, not just a limited amount.  

So Society does not matter, and the average person does not matter.   COACHES, they however, they matter in this particalar case and I personaly take this reponsibility in the vote very serious and appreciate IFCA moving to this protocol 

 

 

 

Great point.

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