Covenent Christian - Why Privates Never Belong in 1A Football

[Guest DT]

Just now, PHJIrish said:

Oh, so it's only the small private schools that you dislike winning state championships.  Now you've admitted it.

I enjoy watching all private schools win championships.  Especially enjoyed watching Evansville Memorial these last few years.  Have not seen them over the years and they were a great looking team iver the past few seasons.  great unis as well.  They won a 4A championship with a low 3A enrollment.  Thats what I like to see.  

[Grandpa B]

4 hours ago, Muda69 said:

Rack this Post. 

TheStatGuy is an unabashed Biden-bot that supports anything put forward by 11-trillion Joe and his plans to further bankrupt the country.   He belives "taxing the rich" will pay for all this new socialism.   Can't wait to see him whine when the IRS comes for his modest bank account.......................

 

Holy Cow Muda.  I have only been back a week and you and I agree on a major subject in the first week.   I think posting under Rebel Dad we went years without agreeing!   :)

[Guest DT]

4 minutes ago, DT said:

I enjoy watching all private schools win championships.  Especially enjoyed watching Evansville Memorial these last few years.  Have not seen them over the years and they were a great looking team iver the past few seasons.  great unis as well.  They won a 4A championship with a low 3A enrollment.  Thats what I like to see.  

Youve got me all wrong Irish.  I hold PPs in extremely high regard and have great respect for their approach to the game.  Thats why I hold them to a higher standard than publics.  Pound for Pound, they are simply better at what they do.  You should know that by now.  

[PHJIrish]

6 minutes ago, DT said:

I enjoy watching all private schools win championships.  Especially enjoyed watching Evansville Memorial these last few years.  Have not seen them over the years and they were a great looking team iver the past few seasons.  great unis as well.  They won a 4A championship with a low 3A enrollment.  Thats what I like to see.  

But you don't enjoy Covenant Christian having a bit of success after just a few years building their program?  IMO, you're just a troll trying to get fans ramped up to disagree with you.  I won't be one of those.

[LaSalle Lions 1976]

I want to get on this P?P advantage for small schools.  I'm going to talk to the rabbi at the Yeshiva and look to form a team.  Championship is in the bag.  Shalom

[Grandpa B]

3 hours ago, DT said:

Youve got me all wrong Irish.  I hold PPs in extremely high regard and have great respect for their approach to the game.  Thats why I hold them to a higher standard than publics.  Pound for Pound, they are simply better at what they do.  You should know that by now.  

You are not going to get away with that comment.   The "great respect" you have for them is clear in wanting to impose a 2.0 multiplier on them which would ensure 99% of those schools would never win a State Champ.   Respect?  Give me a break.  Cathedral is the ONLY school can could compete going moving up 2 classes from their enrollment which is what the multiplier would do.    Respect?  The 2.0 multiplier is disrespect.    At least try and be honest.   Respect?  Give me a break.  

[WWFan]

5 minutes ago, Grandpa B said:

You are not going to get away with that comment.   The "great respect" you have for them is clear in wanting to impose a 2.0 multiplier on them which would ensure 99% of those schools would never win a State Champ.   Respect?  Give me a break.  Cathedral is the ONLY school can could compete going moving up 2 classes from their enrollment which is what the multiplier would do.    Respect?  The 2.0 multiplier is disrespect.    At least try and be honest.   Respect?  Give me a break.  

Now I'm just picturing Allen Iverson saying respect instead of practice.

[Guest DT]

38 minutes ago, Grandpa B said:

You are not going to get away with that comment.   The "great respect" you have for them is clear in wanting to impose a 2.0 multiplier on them which would ensure 99% of those schools would never win a State Champ.   Respect?  Give me a break.  Cathedral is the ONLY school can could compete going moving up 2 classes from their enrollment which is what the multiplier would do.    Respect?  The 2.0 multiplier is disrespect.    At least try and be honest.   Respect?  Give me a break.  

The toughest kids we played against when I was in school were the Bishop Noll Warriors.  Rugged blue collar Catholic boys from Hammond, East Chicago, Whiting, Munster, Highland and into Illinois.

We played Noll in week 3, both teams coming in at 2-0 and it was billed as the biggest game in The Region on that Friday night.  We won 10-7 on our way to a 10-0 regular season record.  Our stadium at Highland High School was jam packed that night.  What a glorious evening and a wonderful memory.  

 

Edited November 24, 2020 by DT

[Cover 4]

8 hours ago, TheStatGuy said:

It is. 

But I can remember years where they lost multiple games in conference (96,98,99,00,01)  

I think eventually theyll have a down year and have a losing season and a .500 season. 

Can you actually remember? How old were you back then?

 

People have been thinking they would have a down year for the last 15 years.

[Guest]

5 hours ago, DT said:

Sheridan was a 1A public school that won championships within its enrollment based classification.  No issues there.

As a sheridan grad, it must have been all those advantages we had.  Especially the socio-economic advantages and large talent pool.

[Guest DT]

46 minutes ago, Brettlow said:

As a sheridan grad, it must have been all those advantages we had.  Especially the socio-economic advantages and large talent pool.

Nope. You guys just had more talent and outworked everybody else.  A mirror image of the Hobart dynasty of the 80s, all the way up to the coaching staff  .  Just a little smaller

[Muda69]

11 hours ago, Grandpa B said:

impose a 2.0 multiplier on them which would ensure 99% of those schools would never win a State Champ.  

You mean just like the other 300+ football playing government schools in the state?

[FastpacedO]

16 hours ago, DT said:

LC and CG are very similar.  Both highly regarded schools in wealthy suburbs.  Similar demographis and socio economic make up  Both have top notch facilities and good community support.  Difference is CG has total football buy in, LC does not.  

CC is in th middle of Indy and surrounded by communities loaded with talent.  SN sits out in a cornfield as a rural school and has limited enrollment potential

Fair enough, would you say Park Tudor has a "competitive advantage" over South Adams or North Decatur? How about Providence do they have a "competitive advantage" over Triton Central or Western Boone? Oldenburg Academy do they have a "competitive advantage" over South Adams or even Hagerstown? Does Bishop Noll have a "competitive advantage" over Boone Grove, Wheeler, or WeBo? See your 2.0 multiplier you want in place doesn't just have an effect on the top few P/P schools that have success it effects the bottom of the P/P's too. It would force schools like Oldenburg Academy, Providence, Park Tudor, and Noll to play 2 classes up when they struggle to have success in their current class Do you think Providence could compete in 4A? Park Tudor and Oldenburg Academy in 3A? Sorry but Success Factor addresses where it needs to be addressed P/P and Public. The only problem is it needs to be the initial proposal of 4 years instead of 2.

14 hours ago, DT said:

Sheridan was a 1A public school that won championships within its enrollment based classification.  No issues there.

Covenant Christian is in its enrollment based classification same as Shridan. They have maybe 12 more students in their school than South Adams.

[Muda69]

9 hours ago, Brettlow said:

As a sheridan grad, it must have been all those advantages we had.  Especially the socio-economic advantages and large talent pool.

I thought it was the outstanding youth development program Sheridan had.  Once a Blackhawk, always a Blackhawk.  Right?

 

[southend]

10 hours ago, DT said:

The toughest kids we played against when I was in school were the Bishop Noll Warriors.  Rugged blue collar Catholic boys from Hammond, East Chicago, Whiting, Munster, Highland and into Illinois.

We played Noll in week 3, both teams coming in at 2-0 and it was billed as the biggest game in The Region on that Friday night.  We won 10-7 on our way to a 10-0 regular season record.  Our stadium at Highland High School was jam packed that night.  What a glorious evening and a wonderful memory.  

 

This is a very heart warming memory DT, but there are people on here that don’t and anything to the threads, but hate. Kind of sad.

[Coach_Hogan_Brother]

17 hours ago, TheStatGuy said:

Seems with Covenant that

They return over 300 rushing yards and 5 tds. They return 73 receiving yards and 2 tds. 

Their 3rd leading rusher is their 2nd leading tackler.  They also return their leading tackler and 3 other guys that had 30+ tackles... From what said on here they got a talented sophomore class so atleast 2 more good years coming. 

 

Hopefully our success this season will allow us to "hand-pick" a great new crop of talent, just like we always do!

[Grandpa B]

55 minutes ago, Muda69 said:

You mean just like the other 300+ football playing government schools in the state?

No, not like that.  The percent of "government schools" that have won state championships is much higher that than the one school that would win with the 2.0 multiplier.   So, no not like that.  

[Muda69]

7 minutes ago, Grandpa B said:

No, not like that.  The percent of "government schools" that have won state championships is much higher that than the one school that would win with the 2.0 multiplier.   So, no not like that.  

And what is that one school?  Seems kind of low to me.

 

[Grandpa B]

27 minutes ago, Muda69 said:

And what is that one school?  Seems kind of low to me.

 

Said it multiple times.   That one school is Cathedral.   If you have another PP school that you think can win playing 2 classes up (which is what the 2.0 multiplier will drive), I am more that interested in that.  This year, Roncalli with one their best teams in the past 15 years would be a 24 point underdog to Center Grove which would be the Sectional that they would play in (Sagarin 118 to 94).   11 points from a running clock.   In most years, the difference would be much greater.    

[FastpacedO]

13 minutes ago, Grandpa B said:

Said it multiple times.   That one school is Cathedral.   If you have another PP school that you think can win playing 2 classes up (which is what the 2.0 multiplier will drive), I am more that interested in that.  This year, Roncalli with one their best teams in the past 15 years would be a 24 point underdog to Center Grove which would be the Sectional that they would play in (Sagarin 118 to 94).   11 points from a running clock.   In most years, the difference would be much greater.    

Come on now. You know Roncalli wouldn't be in a Sectional with Center Grove. They would lump Cathedral, Roncalli, Chatard, and Brebeuf into 1 sectional (if Chatard and Brebeuf were put in the same class). The only way to get to Center Grove would be Regional. 😆

[TheStatGuy]

3 hours ago, FastpacedO said:

Fair enough, would you say Park Tudor has a "competitive advantage" over South Adams or North Decatur? How about Providence do they have a "competitive advantage" over Triton Central or Western Boone? Oldenburg Academy do they have a "competitive advantage" over South Adams or even Hagerstown? Does Bishop Noll have a "competitive advantage" over Boone Grove, Wheeler, or WeBo? See your 2.0 multiplier you want in place doesn't just have an effect on the top few P/P schools that have success it effects the bottom of the P/P's too. It would force schools like Oldenburg Academy, Providence, Park Tudor, and Noll to play 2 classes up when they struggle to have success in their current class Do you think Providence could compete in 4A? Park Tudor and Oldenburg Academy in 3A? Sorry but Success Factor addresses where it needs to be addressed P/P and Public. The only problem is it needs to be the initial proposal of 4 years instead of 2.

Covenant Christian is in its enrollment based classification same as Shridan. They have maybe 12 more students in their school than South Adams.

I looked at the preview thing on the ihsaa website. 

Covenant Christian has 10 less students then SA. 

358-348

[Grandpa B]

1 hour ago, FastpacedO said:

Come on now. You know Roncalli wouldn't be in a Sectional with Center Grove. They would lump Cathedral, Roncalli, Chatard, and Brebeuf into 1 sectional (if Chatard and Brebeuf were put in the same class). The only way to get to Center Grove would be Regional. 😆

OK - I made the mistake of assuming that it was only Roncalli in 6A and not Cathedral.   Playing along with DT and his 2.0 multiplier both Roncalli and Cathedral would be in 6A.   They would put Warren, Roncalli and Cathedral in the same sectionall.   Let's take a look and see how well Roncalli has done in boys basketball since moving to the top class since 2010-2011.  Zero sectional titles.  They did win four games in sectional play during those ten years.  So about every other year they win a game.   The "success' that Roncalli enjoys in basketball would be greater than the success in football playing in 6A.    They don't belong in 6A as a 4A school.   Can they compete and should they move up to 5A next year if they have the SF points.  Yes.   Difference between top level 5A football and 6A football is huge.  

[Tanka Jahari]

2 hours ago, Coach_Hogan_Brother said:

Hopefully our success this season will allow us to "hand-pick" a great new crop of talent, just like we always do!

Congratulations on your success. I'm curious what type of endzone camera set-up does Covenant Christian use? 

[foxbat]

23 minutes ago, Grandpa B said:

OK - I made the mistake of assuming that it was only Roncalli in 6A and not Cathedral.   Playing along with DT and his 2.0 multiplier both Roncalli and Cathedral would be in 6A.   They would put Warren, Roncalli and Cathedral in the same sectionall.   Let's take a look and see how well Roncalli has done in boys basketball since moving to the top class since 2010-2011.  Zero sectional titles.  They did win four games in sectional play during those ten years.  So about every other year they win a game.   The "success' that Roncalli enjoys in basketball would be greater than the success in football playing in 6A.    They don't belong in 6A as a 4A school.   Can they compete and should they move up to 5A next year if they have the SF points.  Yes.   Difference between top level 5A football and 6A football is huge.  

You can argue that 1) the difference between 6A and 5A is the reason that 6A exists to begin with and 2) there's a fairly decent difference between the first 16 and the second 16 in 6A in general; perhaps with the exception of Center Grove.

[Guest DT]

4 hours ago, FastpacedO said:

Fair enough, would you say Park Tudor has a "competitive advantage" over South Adams or North Decatur? How about Providence do they have a "competitive advantage" over Triton Central or Western Boone? Oldenburg Academy do they have a "competitive advantage" over South Adams or even Hagerstown? Does Bishop Noll have a "competitive advantage" over Boone Grove, Wheeler, or WeBo? See your 2.0 multiplier you want in place doesn't just have an effect on the top few P/P schools that have success it effects the bottom of the P/P's too. It would force schools like Oldenburg Academy, Providence, Park Tudor, and Noll to play 2 classes up when they struggle to have success in their current class Do you think Providence could compete in 4A? Park Tudor and Oldenburg Academy in 3A? Sorry but Success Factor addresses where it needs to be addressed P/P and Public. The only problem is it needs to be the initial proposal of 4 years instead of 2.

Covenant Christian is in its enrollment based classification same as Shridan. They have maybe 12 more students in their school than South Adams.

Park Tudor and Noll would likely contract in the event of the 2.0 Multiplier becoming policy.  Not quite familiar w Oldenberg