from_the_sidelines007 Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 Hoosier North Athletic Conference Football 2020 Because of missed games there was NO Conference Champion Declared Final standings listed by percentage Pioneer 5-0, LaVille 4-1, North Judson-San Pierre 5-2, Knox 4-2, Winamac 3-2, Triton 2-4, Culver 1-6, Caston 0-7 Hoosier North Athletic Conference Offensive Most Valuable Ezra Lewellen, Pioneer 529 yards rushing in four HNAC games 132.3 average 16.0 average 33 carries 70 run scrimmage from scrimmage 7 touchdowns Hoosier North Athletic Conference Defensive Most Valuable Sam Smith, Caston 70 tackles in 70 games as always, the game is better from_the_sidelines007 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cover 4 Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 I think it’s pretty obvious to everyone who the conference champion was. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheStatGuy Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 Congrats to Logan Schultz, Russell Compton and Trent Fox on all conference. Congrats to Brayden Lynch and Jaden Terry on honorable mention. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
from_the_sidelines007 Posted November 24, 2020 Author Share Posted November 24, 2020 1 hour ago, Cover 4 said: I think it’s pretty obvious to everyone who the conference champion was. Yeah . . . . pretty obvious. Not all conference games were played, therefore, NO champion. When, I believe eight games were NOT played, there can not be a champion. Why must the topic continue to be debated. Just leave it rest. as always, the game is better from_the_sidelines007 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cover 4 Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 5 minutes ago, from_the_sidelines007 said: Yeah . . . . pretty obvious. Not all conference games were played, therefore, NO champion. When, I believe eight games were NOT played, there can not be a champion. Why must the topic continue to be debated. Just leave it rest. as always, the game is better from_the_sidelines007 I’m just trying to get a logical reason why an undefeated team who beat the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th placing teams isn’t being named conference champion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FarmerFran Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 My biggest question is how a kid gets any kind of mvp award for a conference when their team doesn’t even win a conference game. I’m not saying sam isn’t a good player but surely there was a more deserving player from any of the teams that had conference wins. We faced solid defensive players across the board from Laville, Judson etc. When a team is on defense for the majority of most games of course their stats will be inflated. I just think the team wins should be taken into account. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DE Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 9 hours ago, FarmerFran said: My biggest question is how a kid gets any kind of mvp award for a conference when their team doesn’t even win a conference game. I’m not saying sam isn’t a good player but surely there was a more deserving player from any of the teams that had conference wins. We faced solid defensive players across the board from Laville, Judson etc. When a team is on defense for the majority of most games of course their stats will be inflated. I just think the team wins should be taken into account. And they didn’t get to play a full conference schedule. So if the conference can give these awards, couldn’t they award the conference champ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mayo77 Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 How many games did doyle from laville play this year? Seen he made all conference Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mayo77 Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 (edited) Just looked. 4 games. Nevermind Edited November 25, 2020 by Mayo77 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DE Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 3 minutes ago, Mayo77 said: Just looked. So doyle has 21 tackles in 4 games and gets all conference but qb from Knox had 14 td's in 5 games and doesn't even get honorable mention. Clearly pioneer was conference champ. Decision makers in this conference are a joke. Wish they would just vote 1st team and 2nd team all conference and hey maybe next year a conference champ. Assclowns. I saw Pioneer’s freshman QB/DB play a few times. I think he has a very high ceiling. Just now, DE said: I saw Pioneer’s freshman QB/DB play a few times. I think he has a very high ceiling. Sorry @Mayo77 I apologize. I misread your initial post that prompted me to respond about the Pioneer QB/DB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FinePrint Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 I feel like there are some coaches (or ADs, not sure which) in this league who have bought into the "participation trophy" mentality. They've messed up the MVP award more than once - see 2018 - and hand out all-conference based on each coach's list of favorites. Let's give the MVP to players who actually make a difference in game outcomes. And let's award all conference to the best players at each position - 1st and 2nd team like @Mayo77 said. Make the awards mean something! I don't care of you're the best player on your team, if you aren't one of the best at your position you should not be all-conference! (BTW - Sam Smith is a very good player and would definitely be on my 1st team all-conference at LB.) 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheStatGuy Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 (edited) Offense OL Mason Schnurple, Logan Schultz, Dylan Marin, Jeremiah Farrell and Brennen Benson QB Zac Rose Backfield Gunner Wagner, Shane Schuman, Ezra Lewellen WR/RB Andrew Dill, Addai Lewellen Defense DL LeGrand, Taylor, Owen Frasure and Amsden LB's Gabe Lovins, Sam Smith and Gaumer DBs Eli Blount, Russell Compton, Brock Robinson and Cade Short That's what I think Edited November 25, 2020 by TheStatGuy 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FarmerFran Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 Any reason HNAC doesn’t do a coach of the year anymore? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mayo77 Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 6 hours ago, TheStatGuy said: Offense OL Mason Schnurple, Logan Schultz, Dylan Marin, Jeremiah Farrell and Brennen Benson QB Zac Rose Backfield Gunner Wagner, Shane Schuman, Ezra Lewellen WR/RB Andrew Dill, Addai Lewellen Defense DL LeGrand, Taylor, Owen Frasure and Amsden LB's Gabe Lovins, Sam Smith and Gaumer DBs Eli Blount, Russell Compton, Brock Robinson and Cade Short That's what I think This is way it should have been. Maybe add 1 more DL, LB, WR, and 2 TE'S Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheStatGuy Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 5 minutes ago, Mayo77 said: This is way it should have been. Maybe add 1 more DL, LB, WR, and 2 TE'S Could take Benson off the line add a LaVille offensive lineman. Add Czarnecki as K. Punter not too sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mayo77 Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 6 hours ago, FarmerFran said: Any reason HNAC doesn’t do a coach of the year anymore? Probably same reason couldn't figure out who conference champ was. Too difficult. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cover 4 Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 1 hour ago, Mayo77 said: Probably same reason couldn't figure out who conference champ was. Too difficult. I would think that would be easiest award to give, the guy that has never lost a conference game should get the award until his team loses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mayo77 Posted November 26, 2020 Share Posted November 26, 2020 57 minutes ago, Cover 4 said: I would think that would be easiest award to give, the guy that has never lost a conference game should get the award until his team loses. Common sense would be way too difficult for this conference. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
from_the_sidelines007 Posted November 26, 2020 Author Share Posted November 26, 2020 On 11/24/2020 at 7:39 PM, Mayo77 said: Just looked. 4 games. Nevermind Due to injury, Doyle played 2 HNAC games. He played 4 total games, including 2 IHSAA state tournament games. I'm sure that it is up to each coach whether a player(s) should have been considered for All-Conference without an injury to prevent them from playing. Not sure if the HNAC has a minimum games to play to be considered for all-conference consideration or not. Above my pay grade. as always, the game is better from_the_sidelines007 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke of Denham Posted November 26, 2020 Share Posted November 26, 2020 Several thoughts on this fine Thanksgiving morning. First, I am grateful for the season that we had. From week to week it was stressful with covid and contact tracing. I’m probably not the only person who was relieved when the games would actually kickoff. Sometimes getting to Friday was the biggest challenge this season. For those couple hours on a Friday night things almost seemed normal. Second, obviously Pioneer is the conference champion and if they aren’t printing shirts from the Winning Edge they are missing out on a golden opportunity to celebrate another great season. Finally, the conference itself should have done a better job outlining how this season will go from the jump. They should have discussed the various outcomes with schedules and how teams would be rewarded with all-conference selections at the end. But they didn’t and that is how you end up here. I look forward to a season of normalcy, hopefully, in 2021. Until then stay safe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheStatGuy Posted November 26, 2020 Share Posted November 26, 2020 6 hours ago, Duke of Denham said: Several thoughts on this fine Thanksgiving morning. First, I am grateful for the season that we had. From week to week it was stressful with covid and contact tracing. I’m probably not the only person who was relieved when the games would actually kickoff. Sometimes getting to Friday was the biggest challenge this season. For those couple hours on a Friday night things almost seemed normal. Second, obviously Pioneer is the conference champion and if they aren’t printing shirts from the Winning Edge they are missing out on a golden opportunity to celebrate another great season. Finally, the conference itself should have done a better job outlining how this season will go from the jump. They should have discussed the various outcomes with schedules and how teams would be rewarded with all-conference selections at the end. But they didn’t and that is how you end up here. I look forward to a season of normalcy, hopefully, in 2021. Until then stay safe. Here here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheStatGuy Posted November 26, 2020 Share Posted November 26, 2020 19 hours ago, Mayo77 said: Common sense would be way too difficult for this conference. I'm honestly almost over this conference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mayo77 Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 22 hours ago, from_the_sidelines007 said: Due to injury, Doyle played 2 HNAC games. He played 4 total games, including 2 IHSAA state tournament games. I'm sure that it is up to each coach whether a player(s) should have been considered for All-Conference without an injury to prevent them from playing. Not sure if the HNAC has a minimum games to play to be considered for all-conference consideration or not. Above my pay grade. as always, the game is better from_the_sidelines007 Wasn't sure if there was minimum amount of games required. Know Knox QB had 13 or 14 td in just 5 games and played good in secondary for them and didn't even get a honorable mention which makes zero sense. Don't know if anyone noticed how bad Knox looked after he got hurt. They need to go to 1st and 2nd team all conference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trojan474 Posted November 28, 2020 Share Posted November 28, 2020 On 11/26/2020 at 3:08 PM, TheStatGuy said: I'm honestly almost over this conference. I don’t think anyone cares 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheStatGuy Posted November 28, 2020 Share Posted November 28, 2020 6 minutes ago, trojan474 said: I don’t think anyone cares I'm sorry, i forgot you existed. Must be tough being irrelevant. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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