Donnie Baker Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 Some guy that doesn’t know the difference between their, there and they’re is saying Merrillvilles is getting screwed by dropping back to 5A. Can’t they request to stay up? I know Scecina did in the early 2000’s and Seegers went down to 1A and was runner up and champs against Ritters both games. He said the state already toad them they couldn’t. Have the rules changed? I gotta go. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foxbat Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 1 hour ago, Donnie Baker said: Some guy that doesn’t know the difference between their, there and they’re is saying Merrillvilles is getting screwed by dropping back to 5A. Can’t they request to stay up? I know Scecina did in the early 2000’s and Seegers went down to 1A and was runner up and champs against Ritters both games. He said the state already toad them they couldn’t. Have the rules changed? I gotta go. While I think anyone can petition up or to stay up, I think the IHSAA still has to give approval. The difference now from when Scecina did it and when Mishawaka Marian did it is that there weren't set numbers in some of the classes and that's where I think the problem comes in. With 32 teams in 6A a team that petitioned up into 6A would force another team out of 6A. Just as the guy apparently doesn't want Merrillville heading back down to 5A, whichever team is 32 in 6A might equally object to being forced down to 6A when someone else got a choice to move up. Note that SF still works under this situation because no one involved in SF movements "gets a choice." Someone complaining that that they had to move down because of SF is equally not in control as the team that "had to move up" because of SF. Since that situation "treats everyone the same," I would expect the IHSAA to decline someone asking to move up to 6A, whereas, if someone asked to move from 3A to 4A, that could be done without forcing someone in 4A down, so the IHSAA might approve that one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DT Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 Merrillville realized this year that their very best team in years was unable to compete with 3A Chatard and small 6A Westfield, hence it has no chance to go head to head with the big Indy 6A mega powers. Like Valpo, Merrillville has a path to Indy thru 5A. Merrillville ranks 25th in enrollment and still has 6 schools behind them before they can drop to 5A. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTF Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 3 hours ago, Donnie Baker said: Some guy that doesn’t know the difference between their, there and they’re is saying Merrillvilles is getting screwed by dropping back to 5A. Can’t they request to stay up? I know Scecina did in the early 2000’s and Seegers went down to 1A and was runner up and champs against Ritters both games. He said the state already toad them they couldn’t. Have the rules changed? I gotta go. It's really a non-issue since they aren't dropping down to 5A. But Merrillville is one of those schools who will play where they are told. If they did happen to drop down to 5A, there is absolutely no way their administration would elect to play up. They don't have enough sustained tournament success to warrant doing that. If they were in 5A, they would reach semi-state at least 50% of the time and possibly state 25% of the time. Not only will they add to their trophy case, but more importantly, more revenue for their athletic department. But like DT said, it's not happening with the states 25th largest enrollment. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psaboy Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 1 hour ago, DT said: Merrillville realized this year that their very best team in years was unable to compete with 3A Chatard and small 6A Westfield, hence it has no chance to go head to head with the big Indy 6A mega powers. Like Valpo, Merrillville has a path to Indy thru 5A. Merrillville ranks 25th in enrollment and still has 6 schools behind them before they can drop to 5A. Enrollment I saw them at is 36th?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTF Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 3 minutes ago, psaboy said: Enrollment I saw them at is 36th?? 25 https://www.ihsaa.org/Portals/0/ihsaa/documents/quick resources/Enrollments & Classifications/Enrollments 19202021.pdf 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psaboy Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 5 minutes ago, BTF said: 25 https://www.ihsaa.org/Portals/0/ihsaa/documents/quick resources/Enrollments & Classifications/Enrollments 19202021.pdf I believe your data is for current cycle that is now ending, imirite?? https://gridirondigest.net/applications/core/interface/file/attachment.php?id=4070 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donnie Baker Posted December 4, 2020 Author Share Posted December 4, 2020 1 hour ago, BTF said: It's really a non-issue since they aren't dropping down to 5A. But Merrillville is one of those schools who will play where they are told. If they did happen to drop down to 5A, there is absolutely no way their administration would elect to play up. They don't have enough sustained tournament success to warrant doing that. If they were in 5A, they would reach semi-state at least 50% of the time and possibly state 25% of the time. Not only will they add to their trophy case, but more importantly, more revenue for their athletic department. But like DT said, it's not happening with the states 25th largest enrollment. The super fan on Facebook says they want to stay in 6A but they are dropping because of enrollment. I swear to God he did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTF Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 5 minutes ago, psaboy said: I believe your data is for current cycle that is now ending, imirite?? https://gridirondigest.net/applications/core/interface/file/attachment.php?id=4070 76.38 kB · 155 downloads Looks like it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTF Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 6 minutes ago, Donnie Baker said: The super fan on Facebook says they want to stay in 6A but they are dropping because of enrollment. I swear to God he did. Well, if Psaboy is correct, it looks like Merrillville might be 5A after all. And there is ZERO chance they choose to move up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psaboy Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 1 minute ago, BTF said: Looks like it. I'm sure DT will have some sort of spin on it, so I will wait 3 minutes ago, BTF said: Well, if Psaboy is correct, it looks like Merrillville might be 5A after all. And there is ZERO chance they choose to move up. But, will they "stay up" due to the 2 point rule?? Kind of what Snider did for past two year cycle? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donnie Baker Posted December 4, 2020 Author Share Posted December 4, 2020 6 minutes ago, psaboy said: I'm sure DT will have some sort of spin on it, so I will wait But, will they "stay up" due to the 2 point rule?? Kind of what Snider did for past two year cycle? They moved up for enrollment not points Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psaboy Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 5 minutes ago, Donnie Baker said: They moved up for enrollment not points who and when?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DT Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 I'd rather see Merrillville, like Valpo. In 5A. Better fit in every way Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foxbat Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 35 minutes ago, psaboy said: But, will they "stay up" due to the 2 point rule?? Kind of what Snider did for past two year cycle? 29 minutes ago, Donnie Baker said: They moved up for enrollment not points Yep, SF points to stay up only apply to teams that moved up due to SF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DT Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 4 hours ago, BTF said: It's really a non-issue since they aren't dropping down to 5A. But Merrillville is one of those schools who will play where they are told. If they did happen to drop down to 5A, there is absolutely no way their administration would elect to play up. They don't have enough sustained tournament success to warrant doing that. If they were in 5A, they would reach semi-state at least 50% of the time and possibly state 25% of the time. Not only will they add to their trophy case, but more importantly, more revenue for their athletic department. But like DT said, it's not happening with the states 25th largest enrollment. Merrillville drops to 5A if we cut 6A to 24 schools Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Harvey Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 1 hour ago, DT said: Merrillville drops to 5A if we cut 6A to 24 schools Merrillville is dripping to 5a with 32 schools because they have the 36th highest enrollment. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DT Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 5 hours ago, BTF said: Looks like it. I have not seen this report previously. It looks life an excel spreadsheet What is the source? Looks like Portage and Terre Haute are seeing significant enrollment declines Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTF Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 2 hours ago, DT said: I have not seen this report previously. It looks life an excel spreadsheet What is the source? Looks like Portage and Terre Haute are seeing significant enrollment declines Not sure of the source, but it looks like someone put some effort into it. Looks like Merrillville remains anyway due to the 2 point rule. It's too bad, they are a better fit for 5A doing battle with Snider, Dwenger, and Valpo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DT Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 6 minutes ago, BTF said: Not sure of the source, but it looks like someone put some effort into it. Looks like Merrillville remains anyway due to the 2 point rule. It's too bad, they are a better fit for 5A doing battle with Snider, Dwenger, and Valpo. Agree 100% Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psaboy Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 6 hours ago, DT said: Merrillville drops to 5A if we cut 6A to 24 schools That is different thread. We are not cutting the 6A class to 24 on this thread. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psaboy Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 crimsonace1 200 Post Club Referee 255 posts New Palestine 4,5 Posted November 27 Here's what I was able to pull. Note: These are unofficial and reflect 4-grade enrollment. With regards to Hammond, I merged Clark & Hammond's enrollments, as well as Gavit & Morton's, as is the consolidation plan. The Evansville schools, for example, tend to get a bit of an enrollment bump. I have no idea what Park Tudor's enrollment is, but they're solidly 1A. Danville's result tomorrow will determine whether it is 3A or 4A for the next two years. By this math, that will likely affect Delta (which goes down to 3A if Danville wins). UPDATE: I have made edits to reflect LCC being in 2A and Madison (not Madison-Grant) in 3A. IHSAA enrollment - Copy of Sheet1 (3).pdf76.38 kB · 162 downloads Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donnie Baker Posted December 4, 2020 Author Share Posted December 4, 2020 2 hours ago, BTF said: Not sure of the source, but it looks like someone put some effort into it. Looks like Merrillville remains anyway due to the 2 point rule. It's too bad, they are a better fit for 5A doing battle with Snider, Dwenger, and Valpo. They weren’t in 6A for SF points it was enrollment so points don’t matter. STATE LAW! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTF Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 2 minutes ago, Donnie Baker said: They weren’t in 6A for SF points it was enrollment so points don’t matter. STATE LAW! Lol, so they do drop to 5a..............got it. Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donnie Baker Posted December 4, 2020 Author Share Posted December 4, 2020 2 hours ago, BTF said: Lol, so they do drop to 5a..............got it. Thanks. If the numbers dropped. There seems to be different enrollment numbers floating around Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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