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32 minutes ago, RetiredOfficial03 said:

 

I know we typically don't want to punish a kid for the rest of his life for one major mistake, however, I think this high school player needs to be charged with assault.  Unbelievable! 

Certainly he is just a misunderstood youth who had a "bad day."

Not the best form though...didn't wrap up.

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Just sickening.

Now that I have seen this clip which is longer than the ones posted last night on Twitter I have a question. 

The coach escorting the player off initially - blue shirt, dark sock hat, white mask.  Is he the same coach that is charging down the 45 yard line towards the other team as the player is charging the referee?  What is the story behind that?  If it is the same coach, his actions seem really off to me.   

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15 minutes ago, oldtimeqb said:

The coach escorting the player off initially - blue shirt, dark sock hat, white mask.  Is he the same coach that is charging down the 45 yard line towards the other team as the player is charging the referee?  What is the story behind that?  If it is the same coach, his actions seem really off to me.  

It appears to be the same coach. My guess is he's a defensive coach who understands his combination of athletic ability and a poor pursuit angle means he's not getting to the action with the official, so he's getting out to where all the other players are to try to keep the peace there. 

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52 minutes ago, oldtimeqb said:

Just sickening.

Now that I have seen this clip which is longer than the ones posted last night on Twitter I have a question. 

The coach escorting the player off initially - blue shirt, dark sock hat, white mask.  Is he the same coach that is charging down the 45 yard line towards the other team as the player is charging the referee?  What is the story behind that?  If it is the same coach, his actions seem really off to me.   

I didn't catch that the first time. Seems very strange. Perhaps he thought he was going after the other team and not the official?  I do think others were trying to stop him. If only #72 were a little faster. Lol

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2 hours ago, oldtimeqb said:

Just sickening.

Now that I have seen this clip which is longer than the ones posted last night on Twitter I have a question. 

The coach escorting the player off initially - blue shirt, dark sock hat, white mask.  Is he the same coach that is charging down the 45 yard line towards the other team as the player is charging the referee?  What is the story behind that?  If it is the same coach, his actions seem really off to me.   

I saw a little bit longer clip than the one posted.  It started with 88 making a late hit on the qb, and off camera I think a fight ensued back on that side and a coach was trying to separate the people involved in that.  Either way, that kid just sealed his fate with any future in football.

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1 hour ago, FarmerFran said:

Ref should press charges and the kid should be removed from the school.

Don't know about permanent expulsion, but definitely a lengthy suspension.

I'm also all for charges being pressed, but is there a way to insulate the ref from "being the bad guy" and "ruining the kid's life?"  Because you know that's how it's going to be framed.  Can the school file charges on behalf of the ref?  That way, it's not the ref having to be the "bad guy," but the accountability for proceedings being initiated and carried out closer to the person who caused the action as opposed to the victim?  I get this kind of stuff when I catch a kid cheating ... somehow it's my fault and I'm ruining his life by giving him a zero on the exam.

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3 minutes ago, foxbat said:

Don't know about permanent expulsion, but definitely a lengthy suspension.

I'm also all for charges being pressed, but is there a way to insulate the ref from "being the bad guy" and "ruining the kid's life?"  Because you know that's how it's going to be framed.  Can the school file charges on behalf of the ref?  That way, it's not the ref having to be the "bad guy," but the accountability for proceedings being initiated and carried out closer to the person who caused the action as opposed to the victim?  I get this kind of stuff when I catch a kid cheating ... somehow it's my fault and I'm ruining his life by giving him a zero on the exam.

If the kid is a juvenile, that sort of thing is possible. It’s not exactly like a criminal prosecution.  A different system in several meaningful ways. That may be possible.

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3 hours ago, oldtimeqb said:

And I expect in the future ejected players must be escorted to the locker room immediately - which is the NCAA/NFL rule.  I never quite understood allowing an ejected player to remain on the sidelines anyway. 

Yes, I’ve found that interesting, especially in light of the fact that if a coach is disqualified, he must leave the playing area and have no further contact with the team for the duration of the game.

Of course, the guy in the white hat is the boss of everything that goes on out there, literally. While the rules don’t mandate that a disqualified player leave the field, the referee is absolutely within his rights to insist that he be expelled from the premises before the game can continue.

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28 minutes ago, foxbat said:

Don't know about permanent expulsion, but definitely a lengthy suspension.

I'm also all for charges being pressed, but is there a way to insulate the ref from "being the bad guy" and "ruining the kid's life?"  Because you know that's how it's going to be framed.  Can the school file charges on behalf of the ref?  That way, it's not the ref having to be the "bad guy," but the accountability for proceedings being initiated and carried out closer to the person who caused the action as opposed to the victim?  I get this kind of stuff when I catch a kid cheating ... somehow it's my fault and I'm ruining his life by giving him a zero on the exam.

I phrased that poorly. I did mean suspension.

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https://www.click2houston.com/news/local/2020/12/04/texas-football-player-escorted-out-of-game-by-police-after-assaulting-referee/

Apparently this was a "play-in" game for Texas Playoffs.  The blue team won, but today the school district has decided to pull the team from the playoffs.

Ugly all the way around.  It does sound like the official (27 year veteran) is going to be ok.  

Further, the kid who attacked the official had a very bright athletic future, in football & wrestling.  But he has apparently had issues like this in the past. 

Terrible waste.

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4 hours ago, oldtimeqb said:

Just sickening.

Now that I have seen this clip which is longer than the ones posted last night on Twitter I have a question. 

The coach escorting the player off initially - blue shirt, dark sock hat, white mask.  Is he the same coach that is charging down the 45 yard line towards the other team as the player is charging the referee?  What is the story behind that?  If it is the same coach, his actions seem really off to me.   

It definitely looks bad at first, but I believe he is going out to help break it up. 22 from blue is coming in hot but I think he realized late that 22 was really trying to get to 88. It just blows my mind still and I have watched it numerous times.

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This is the latest info from just the last several minutes on a Texas football forum - so take it for what it's worth.  Got folk down here stirred up big time.

Charges have been filed - class A misdemeanor.  Player is supposedly in jail with $10K cash bond.  Player is suspended from school for the remainder of the year.  US31 is correct, the school board met with district (conference) officials and they have removed the school from the playoffs.

The UIL (Texas' version of IHSAA) used to require an ejected player to leave the sidelines (i.e. go to locker room), but changed it allowing them to stay on sidelines, just can't play.  This might make them re-think that one.

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Anyone, (news media, kid's family, SJW's, etc.) that would honestly say the ref is ruining the kids life if he does file charges or other is kidding themselves.  The player did that the minute he chose to leave the sidelines and rush the ref.  He has to accept the consequences of his actions - a concept that is largely lost on kids in our society today.

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3 hours ago, Bobref said:

Yes, I’ve found that interesting, especially in light of the fact that if a coach is disqualified, he must leave the playing area and have no further contact with the team for the duration of the game.

Of course, the guy in the white hat is the boss of everything that goes on out there, literally. While the rules don’t mandate that a disqualified player leave the field, the referee is absolutely within his rights to insist that he be expelled from the premises before the game can continue.

The NCAA changed the automatic ejection rule for a player penalized for targeting. I did not know this until seeing a Purdue player penalized for this last week. It was mentioned then that he didn't have to do what they called "the walk of shame" to the locker room. The player did remain on the sideline.

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He’ll be playing for Lane Kiffen in a couple years.

4 hours ago, Bonecrusher said:

Anyone, (news media, kid's family, SJW's, etc.) that would honestly say the ref is ruining the kids life if he does file charges or other is kidding themselves.  The player did that the minute he chose to leave the sidelines and rush the ref.  He has to accept the consequences of his actions - a concept that is largely lost on kids in our society today.

Not just kids ... look around

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11 hours ago, Bobref said:

Yes, I’ve found that interesting, especially in light of the fact that if a coach is disqualified, he must leave the playing area and have no further contact with the team for the duration of the game.

Of course, the guy in the white hat is the boss of everything that goes on out there, literally. While the rules don’t mandate that a disqualified player leave the field, the referee is absolutely within his rights to insist that he be expelled from the premises before the game can continue.

I have always been under the impression that the player stays on the sidelines because there may not be a place for him to go where he can be under supervision. I understand all the this that and the other but that was the thought process to keep the players in the bench area where the supervision is

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21 hours ago, Bonecrusher said:

This is the latest info from just the last several minutes on a Texas football forum - so take it for what it's worth.  Got folk down here stirred up big time.

Charges have been filed - class A misdemeanor.  Player is supposedly in jail with $10K cash bond.  Player is suspended from school for the remainder of the year.  US31 is correct, the school board met with district (conference) officials and they have removed the school from the playoffs.

The UIL (Texas' version of IHSAA) used to require an ejected player to leave the sidelines (i.e. go to locker room), but changed it allowing them to stay on sidelines, just can't play.  This might make them re-think that one.

Not sure in Indiana that he would be sitting in jail on a $10K bond.    We know in New York city he would be out with a no cash bond even if it was a felony.  Maybe something in between the two?   Also not sure about the team being removed from the playoffs.    We punish all becuase of the sin of one?  Interested to see what people think on this.   

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29 minutes ago, Grandpa B said:

Not sure in Indiana that he would be sitting in jail on a $10K bond.    We know in New York city he would be out with a no cash bond even if it was a felony.  Maybe something in between the two?   Also not sure about the team being removed from the playoffs.    We punish all becuase of the sin of one?  Interested to see what people think on this.   

I understand where you are coming from, but as I look at this, it's a school/coach issue as much as it is a kid issue.  Football is a team sport and while folks get heated in the course of a play and sometimes right after a hit you shove someone or say something, no one should ever feel that they have a right, green light, ability, or anything else to leave the sideline like that, run across the field, and strike someone else.

Youth ball may be different than high school ball, but frankly it shouldn't be.  I've coached 18 seasons of youth ball and never, in all of my years of coaching, ever had to worry about any of my players talking back to ref, pitching a fit on the field, striking another player after a play even if they were hit first, etc.  In every season we have a couple early practices long before we ever play our first game where I sit the kids down and tell them exactly what I expect their behavior to be and exactly what I expect it not to be.  We talk about not talking back to a ref or questioning a call.  We talk about if they have an issue they tell me about it and I'll talk with the ref or the other coach.  We talk about always walking away if you are struck after a play and letting the refs and me worry about what will happen.  We also talk about helping the opponent up after a tackle and, if offered a hand up by an opponent accepting that offer even if you took a big hit.  We also talk about the fact that they are part of something bigger and that their actions, both on and off the field, are not just reflective upon themselves, but also reflective of their teammates, their coaches, their program, and their schools.  Then as part of the talk before the first game I remind them of that and add one more thing, "To act like you've been there before.  Be humble in victory, and gracious in defeat."  I love it when my kids perform on the field, but I love it just as much when they respect the game, the refs, the opponents, and their own teammates.  And my players all know that and know without a doubt exactly how I expect them to play and to act.

It's a harsh thing to have happen, but if it happened on one of my teams, I would hold no ill will against the association and I would explain it to my team that the fault was mine and the player's for not doing a better job looking out for our team.

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