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Roughing the Passer ... or Not?


Bobref

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2 hours ago, Bobref said:

I hope that the NFL looks into making flopping a penalty. There is no way that was roughing. Allen is 6’5” and weighs 238 pounds according to their roster. There is no way a small push like that makes him drop that easily. 
Years ago, I was an assistant in a semi state game, and the team we were playing had a good sized o lineman, after we stopped them on 3rd down, our DE was going back to the huddle and this guy walks by him and falls dow....the flag comes out. I to.d the official on our sideline, that guy is a solid 260 lbs. There is no way that bump caused him to drop like that. I know hockey has a penalty for embellishment, so it seems to have cut down a lot of nonsense that had been happening. I hope basketball and football follow suit. 

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No doubt he flopped. But it’s still a good call. There’s a sort of sliding scale of roughness vs. timing in calling the foul. The more time passes after the ball is gone, the less rough the contact needs to be to call roughing. Conversely, much rougher conduct can pass muster if it’s very shortly after the passer releases the ball. This was waaaayyy too late. It wasn’t inadvertent. It was a gratuitous shove. But I doubt Josh Allen has spent any money on tacting lessons.

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1 hour ago, Irishman said:

I hope that the NFL looks into making flopping a penalty. There is no way that was roughing. Allen is 6’5” and weighs 238 pounds according to their roster. There is no way a small push like that makes him drop that easily. 
Years ago, I was an assistant in a semi state game, and the team we were playing had a good sized o lineman, after we stopped them on 3rd down, our DE was going back to the huddle and this guy walks by him and falls dow....the flag comes out. I to.d the official on our sideline, that guy is a solid 260 lbs. There is no way that bump caused him to drop like that. I know hockey has a penalty for embellishment, so it seems to have cut down a lot of nonsense that had been happening. I hope basketball and football follow suit. 

Not to derail anything, but to piggy back on flopping.  I had a JV hoops game the other night.  Both teams tried to take charges, early in the game.  Neither myself or my partner called it.  At the next dead ball, we told both teams, do not flop, you will not get the call and you risk injury.  BAM, not one more flop.

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28 minutes ago, Bobref said:

No doubt he flopped. But it’s still a good call. There’s a sort of sliding scale of roughness vs. timing in calling the foul. The more time passes after the ball is gone, the less rough the contact needs to be to call roughing. Conversely, much rougher conduct can pass muster if it’s very shortly after the passer releases the ball. This was waaaayyy too late. It wasn’t inadvertent. It was a gratuitous shove. But I doubt Josh Allen has spent any money on tacting lessons.

Heard too many times from the rules experts (i think that is what they are called on tv) that the 2nd foot coming down by the hitter is a telling point.  That is the 1st thing I looked for w bob's clip.  2nd foot came down.  Had a chance to pull off and didn't.  Allen looked like a clown flopping.  

 

Think the flopping only gets "better" the bigger the person is.  Like when an OL or DL flops from getting farted or breathed on.

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