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It is rapidly approaching and registrations are open!  We had our largest event to date in December at Finch Creek, with over 300 athletes.  

This spring we are moving outside, and are hosting the event at Westfield High School's Riverview Stadium.  Please follow the link below for more information and to get your athlete/s registered!

Location:

Westfield High School

18250 N Union St

Westfield, IN, 46074

 

Time:

  • Registration @ noon
  • Showcase begins promptly at 1 pm

Who is Eligible:

2021-2022-23-24 graduating years

Cost:

  • Early: register by March 1st –  $60
  • Standard: register by April 1st –  $80
  • Late: after April 1st $110

 

*COLLEGES WILL BE PRESENT*
*ALL PARTICIPANTS WILL RECEIVE A COLLEGE EXPOSURE CAMP T-SHIRT 

 

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40 minutes ago, eschnur66 said:

This is going to be a great event.  We will have colleges in attendance, and are looking forward to giving guys another opportunity to build doors for their future!

I'm brand new to this kind of stuff for high schoolers as my oldest son is in his freshman year.  Do events like this also have a component for specialists ... like kickers, punters, long snappers ... or is this more geared toward core positions?

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It is geared toward position players, however, with this event being outside on a full field, there is the opportunity for specialists to come and display their skills as well!  Thank you for asking!

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you are competing with several other "showcase" camps around the same time....charging a large amount of scratch to attend.  You will see mostly the same kids attend and by doing so they get the head shot photograph followed by a positive twitter mention by some wanna be scout.  Its as buddy system.   A ton of freshman/sophomore will attend and get zero from these "showcases" especially if they have no varsity game tape .  Most of these kids will avoid the combines because they actually capture athletic measurements.  "college coaches attending"....maybe...no D1 can attend not they we would anyway.   Now that this Covid bullshit is going away college camps should be resuming this summer....Sycamores, U Indy, Purdue etc.  is where the time and money should go. 

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14 hours ago, BigBH said:

you are competing with several other "showcase" camps around the same time....charging a large amount of scratch to attend.  You will see mostly the same kids attend and by doing so they get the head shot photograph followed by a positive twitter mention by some wanna be scout.  Its as buddy system.   A ton of freshman/sophomore will attend and get zero from these "showcases" especially if they have no varsity game tape .  Most of these kids will avoid the combines because they actually capture athletic measurements.  "college coaches attending"....maybe...no D1 can attend not they we would anyway.   Now that this Covid bullshit is going away college camps should be resuming this summer....Sycamores, U Indy, Purdue etc.  is where the time and money should go. 

I completely understand and agree to some degree with your sentiment.  Showcases have become the norm when it comes to recruiting exposure as they are the best ways to get tangible stats and perform in front of college coaches.  The facts are that we have had MANY college programs represented at our showcases over the last couple of years in December, and every one of these showcases have resulted in players receiving opportunities that they may not have gotten otherwise.  There is no reason for a D1 coach to attend a showcase, as the players they are recruiting do not, by and large, attend them.  Those players attend on campus workouts and showcase camps that they are invited to attend.  

To address the on campus events, the ones that are beneficial are the mega camps, where large numbers of college staffs are represented.  Unfortunately, none of them are going to happen this summer because of Covid and numbers.  UINDY hosted a mega, but the other campuses are hosting team camps and showcase events just like ours, but those schools are watching the athletes that they have invited.  

This is an imperfect system and all we are trying to do is provide kids with opportunities to perform on the field.  Every camp is attended by players and payers.  Some athletes will earn opportunities and some will not.  Our events are geared towards players who may not be D1, but are looking to get in front of DII, DIII, NAIA, and JUCO programs.  

I would be happy to answer any other questions, or address any other concerns.

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8 hours ago, eschnur66 said:

I completely understand and agree to some degree with your sentiment.  Showcases have become the norm when it comes to recruiting exposure as they are the best ways to get tangible stats and perform in front of college coaches.  The facts are that we have had MANY college programs represented at our showcases over the last couple of years in December, and every one of these showcases have resulted in players receiving opportunities that they may not have gotten otherwise.  There is no reason for a D1 coach to attend a showcase, as the players they are recruiting do not, by and large, attend them.  Those players attend on campus workouts and showcase camps that they are invited to attend.  

To address the on campus events, the ones that are beneficial are the mega camps, where large numbers of college staffs are represented.  Unfortunately, none of them are going to happen this summer because of Covid and numbers.  UINDY hosted a mega, but the other campuses are hosting team camps and showcase events just like ours, but those schools are watching the athletes that they have invited.  

This is an imperfect system and all we are trying to do is provide kids with opportunities to perform on the field.  Every camp is attended by players and payers.  Some athletes will earn opportunities and some will not.  Our events are geared towards players who may not be D1, but are looking to get in front of DII, DIII, NAIA, and JUCO programs.  

I would be happy to answer any other questions, or address any other concerns.

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I have no questions...you are charging 110.00 after April 1....lets be honest..you and the others like you are getting paid mostly by parents of kids that have no varsity game tape.  D2,3, NAIA don't offer roster spots until a kids senior year after the kid and parents realize D1 offers are few or non existent, which is great because U Indy and Marian pick up stud Indiana players.  "none of them are going to happen this summer"...do you have confirmation that come May/June  area schools are canceling for a second year in a row?

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11 hours ago, BigBH said:

I have no questions...you are charging 110.00 after April 1....lets be honest..you and the others like you are getting paid mostly by parents of kids that have no varsity game tape.  D2,3, NAIA don't offer roster spots until a kids senior year after the kid and parents realize D1 offers are few or non existent, which is great because U Indy and Marian pick up stud Indiana players.  "none of them are going to happen this summer"...do you have confirmation that come May/June  area schools are canceling for a second year in a row?

I think schools will have camps, but there will not be mega showcases this summer on campuses. We are putting on a showcase, and are advertising it as such. I am not sure why the negativity. This is simply another opportunity, and another part of the recruiting process. You focused on the $110 after April first. Rather than the $60 before March 1st, why?

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5 minutes ago, eschnur66 said:

I think schools will have camps, but there will not be mega showcases this summer on campuses. We are putting on a showcase, and are advertising it as such. I am not sure why the negativity. This is simply another opportunity, and another part of the recruiting process. You focused on the $110 after April first. Rather than the $60 before March 1st, why?

Keep it up Coach.  Thank you for offering choices for the kids to get better.

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1 hour ago, DE said:

Keep it up Coach.  Thank you for offering choices for the kids to get better.

Agreed. If you are concerned about a money making racket selling false hope, I suggest you head west from Westfield HS and check out Grand Park on a weekend. 

Plenty of empty promises at a travel soccer or baseball tournament. 

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4 hours ago, DE said:

Keep it up Coach.  Thank you for offering choices for the kids to get better.

Agree....there are always kids who for no other reason than attending one of these camps gets a shot at "next level" football.  I have volunteered my time at a few of these and it's pretty rewarding personally.

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5 minutes ago, Titan32 said:

Agree....there are always kids who for no other reason than attending one of these camps gets a shot at "next level" football.  I have volunteered my time at a few of these and it's pretty rewarding personally.

AWESOME!  Serving others is so rewarding.  Great job!

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12 hours ago, eschnur66 said:

I think schools will have camps, but there will not be mega showcases this summer on campuses. We are putting on a showcase, and are advertising it as such. I am not sure why the negativity. This is simply another opportunity, and another part of the recruiting process. You focused on the $110 after April first. Rather than the $60 before March 1st, why?

60 is too high also....a parent can spend 75.00 attending three on campus camps and actually meet college coaches...its a money grab which more power to you...its business.  Unless a frosh/soph is a freak at your "showcase" they get nothing from it.  Upperclassmen are already plugged from game tape. 
 

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12 hours ago, DE said:

Keep it up Coach.  Thank you for offering choices for the kids to get better.

sad you really have nothing to offer in terms of real world experience on this subject matter.

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10 hours ago, oldtimeqb said:

Agreed. If you are concerned about a money making racket selling false hope, I suggest you head west from Westfield HS and check out Grand Park on a weekend. 

Plenty of empty promises at a travel soccer or baseball tournament. 

apples to oranges my man

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14 hours ago, BigBH said:

60 is too high also....a parent can spend 75.00 attending three on campus camps and actually meet college coaches...its a money grab which more power to you...its business.  Unless a frosh/soph is a freak at your "showcase" they get nothing from it.  Upperclassmen are already plugged from game tape. 
 

Have you had a bad experience with one of these camps?  I would love to have you come watch ours this spring.  We are selling an opportunity.  What the kids do with the opportunity is up to them, their preparation, and somewhat the gifts that they were born with.  We will have several college staffs in attendance, watching the players.  The best of these players will get noticed because of their play. The others have the opportunity to speak with as many of the coaches as they can.  Try to start a relationship. 

Your game tape argument is not perfect.  Lots of kids get opportunities based on game tape that is seen AFTER they were seen at one of these events.  Freshmen and sophomores come and have an opportunity to get on the radar early, but probably benefit the most from seeing what the competition looks like.  They get a chance to see how high the bar is set.  That is a potentially immeasurable part of these types of events.  

You said a parent can spend $75 and attend three on campus camps, and that may be true, VERY unlikely, but I will play along.  At each of these camps, nearly all of which happen on FCS/FBS campuses (some D-II), they get to meet one college staff.  The parent also has to pay for the trip to each of these camps, so the $ amount is 4-5 times that in the end.  If the kid is D-1 material than great.  However, for our most expensive rate $110 + one time travel expenses, the same kid gets to do the same things in front of coaches from multiple college staffs.  We have had as many as 21 schools represented at our events.  

I get it, you do not like them.  They are not for everyone, but there are thousands of football players in the state of Indiana alone.  These events are just one way for those players to try and separate from the pack and earn an opportunity.

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10 minutes ago, eschnur66 said:

Have you had a bad experience with one of these camps?  I would love to have you come watch ours this spring.  We are selling an opportunity.  What the kids do with the opportunity is up to them, their preparation, and somewhat the gifts that they were born with.  We will have several college staffs in attendance, watching the players.  The best of these players will get noticed because of their play. The others have the opportunity to speak with as many of the coaches as they can.  Try to start a relationship. 

Your game tape argument is not perfect.  Lots of kids get opportunities based on game tape that is seen AFTER they were seen at one of these events.  Freshmen and sophomores come and have an opportunity to get on the radar early, but probably benefit the most from seeing what the competition looks like.  They get a chance to see how high the bar is set.  That is a potentially immeasurable part of these types of events.  

You said a parent can spend $75 and attend three on campus camps, and that may be true, VERY unlikely, but I will play along.  At each of these camps, nearly all of which happen on FCS/FBS campuses (some D-II), they get to meet one college staff.  The parent also has to pay for the trip to each of these camps, so the $ amount is 4-5 times that in the end.  If the kid is D-1 material than great.  However, for our most expensive rate $110 + one time travel expenses, the same kid gets to do the same things in front of coaches from multiple college staffs.  We have had as many as 21 schools represented at our events.  

I get it, you do not like them.  They are not for everyone, but there are thousands of football players in the state of Indiana alone.  These events are just one way for those players to try and separate from the pack and earn an opportunity.

No bad experiences...in your ad you mention "college coaches in attendance"  you are competing with several other "showcases" in Indy, Fort Wayne, Terre Haute to name a few.  I wish you good luck getting those college coaches to attend.  A few weeks ago we attended a combine in Indy because getting verified times/measurements is necessary, and way more important than getting a T shirt and then running around in shorts.  I can tell you U Indy coaches were there and a few Marian...thats it.  Those coaches are compiling a target recruiting list as we speak, but typically won't offer until during or after a kids senior year IF the kid can obviously play at the level.  The dead period ends May 31....I hope and assume colleges are planning to have some camps in June as they have always done pre covid 19.  Take ISU.....for 25.00 bucks you get combine numbers, drills, competition and you meet the coaches. 

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8 hours ago, BigBH said:

No bad experiences...in your ad you mention "college coaches in attendance"  you are competing with several other "showcases" in Indy, Fort Wayne, Terre Haute to name a few.  I wish you good luck getting those college coaches to attend.  A few weeks ago we attended a combine in Indy because getting verified times/measurements is necessary, and way more important than getting a T shirt and then running around in shorts.  I can tell you U Indy coaches were there and a few Marian...thats it.  Those coaches are compiling a target recruiting list as we speak, but typically won't offer until during or after a kids senior year IF the kid can obviously play at the level.  The dead period ends May 31....I hope and assume colleges are planning to have some camps in June as they have always done pre covid 19.  Take ISU.....for 25.00 bucks you get combine numbers, drills, competition and you meet the coaches. 

another question...during your run of 9-43 how many non varsity kids did you encourage to scratch out 60-110 bucks, drive several hours for an immeasurable experience?.....my guess is none?

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On 3/11/2021 at 7:57 PM, BigBH said:

another question...during your run of 9-43 how many non varsity kids did you encourage to scratch out 60-110 bucks, drive several hours for an immeasurable experience?.....my guess is none?

BOOYAH

 

According to a new report from CBS Sports' Dennis Dodd, The NCAA Football Oversight Committee is on track to recommend later this week that the dead period transition to a "quiet period" come June 1, meaning that college football programs could once again host recruits on campus and conduct camps.

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On 3/11/2021 at 6:57 PM, BigBH said:

another question...during your run of 9-43 how many non varsity kids did you encourage to scratch out 60-110 bucks, drive several hours for an immeasurable experience?.....my guess is none?

My guess is you know nothing about the dynamics of where coach has worked or the kid's lives he has changed.  This comment was a total D!ck move.  Congrats.  So you think exposure events are a waste of time, that's fair, but the comment above was clearly intended to throw unnecessary shade at a good dude.

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1 hour ago, Titan32 said:

My guess is you know nothing about the dynamics of where coach has worked or the kid's lives he has changed.  This comment was a total D!ck move.  Congrats.  So you think exposure events are a waste of time, that's fair, but the comment above was clearly intended to throw unnecessary shade at a good dude.

D!ck?.....bro you can call me a dick....I D#n't really care.....I just asked a question and the record is.....well just that...maybe you should break the balls of the newspaper writer?

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1 hour ago, BigBH said:

D!ck?.....bro you can call me a dick....I D#n't really care.....I just asked a question and the record is.....well just that...maybe you should break the balls of the newspaper writer?

Oh and another thing....I didn't say showcases are a waste of time... I said my man is peddling "college recruiters on-site"...that is speculation and basically a bullshit sales job to get kids to attend.  Maybe 9-43 will actually list those college coaches that have confirmed, and will attend just like U Indy mega camp did that he referenced above?

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10 hours ago, BigBH said:

Oh and another thing....I didn't say showcases are a waste of time... I said my man is peddling "college recruiters on-site"...that is speculation and basically a bullshit sales job to get kids to attend.  Maybe 9-43 will actually list those college coaches that have confirmed, and will attend just like U Indy mega camp did that he referenced above?

I have a freshman. We attended Best of Midwest Combine recently. It was a great experience. A few college coaches showed up. Regardless, this camp allowed my young player to see what its going to take to get to the next level. We also attended the Midwest Football Academy in Evansville recently. It was good to get a different perspective from other coaches. Taking more reps and being around other kids and coaches that love the game was worth the money we spent to attend. It's a big advantage to attend these camps and get some great experience before you go to a more important college invite camp. Most kids going to these camps are not going to be D1 kids. However, there are lots of opportunities for D2, D3, NAIA. Yes, these camps sell the dream of being recruited. Yes, its a business. But most of the guys, including Coach Schnur, do it for the love of the game and passion for helping kids.  $110 is actually a really good price compated to many I have seen recently. Keep up the good work Coach Schnur. 

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10 hours ago, BigBH said:

Oh and another thing....I didn't say showcases are a waste of time... I said my man is peddling "college recruiters on-site"...that is speculation and basically a bullshit sales job to get kids to attend.  Maybe 9-43 will actually list those college coaches that have confirmed, and will attend just like U Indy mega camp did that he referenced above?

I am sorry that you believe that I have done something wrong.  I contact EVERY college at the FCS level and below in Indiana, Illinois, Michigan, Ohio, and Kentucky multiple times.  I apologize to no one for my record as a head coach, it is the result of mistakes I made plus circumstances that I was not prepared to deal with at that point in my career.  I have not only had kids that played on my teams come to the camps, I have driven players around the mid-west to events like the U-Indy Mega camp, Lindenwood Mega camp, Best of the Midwest, as well as indy showcase events at both Indiana and Purdue to hopefully help to get them opportunities to play in college.  Every year of my tenure at Bosse, we had at least one player get an opportunity to leave Evansville and move on to play football in college.  So throw your shade, it is fine, my record is what it is.  We have had at least ten colleges represented at every one of our events over the last few years.  I am peddling nothing but facts.  Thank you for researching me, I find it flattering that you care about me so much.  I do not have to defend myself, and will not be responding again.  We run an event that is designed to help those who want to be helped.  It costs money to run and my time is worth something as well.  No one has ever been forced to attend one of these events.

14 hours ago, Titan32 said:

My guess is you know nothing about the dynamics of where coach has worked or the kid's lives he has changed.  This comment was a total D!ck move.  Congrats.  So you think exposure events are a waste of time, that's fair, but the comment above was clearly intended to throw unnecessary shade at a good dude.

Thank you coach!  I appreciate your support and knowing that there are good folks out here fighting to get their kids every chance possible to be successful later in life!

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