Hobart's Success

[Goose Liver]

With Hobart's success in the last few years do you see them staying in the NCC ?

[Bobref]

11 minutes ago, Goose Liver said:

With Hobart's success in the last few years do you see them staying in the NCC ?

I think so. They are a good fit size-wise, travel-wise, and they haven’t exactly run away with the conference title. They always have Andrean and Lowell to deal with. In the last 5 seasons, the Brickies are 6-6 against the Red Devils and the 59ers. No reason to move.

[Goose Liver]

The 59ers and the Devils always give them a fight.

[scarab527]

1 hour ago, Bobref said:

I think so. They are a good fit size-wise, travel-wise, and they haven’t exactly run away with the conference title. They always have Andrean and Lowell to deal with. In the last 5 seasons, the Brickies are 6-6 against the Red Devils and the 59ers. No reason to move.

They’ve won 1 outright conference title in the past decade. Only shared the title twice. Andrean was 8-2 against them in that time span. Hardly the dominance needed to justify a move back to the DAC. 

[Guest DT]

Hobart is overrated.   They have great brand recognition and that gives them the benefit of the doubt at times.  They have a long history of losing big games.   They have cleaned up on Highland , Munster and KV in the NCC but struggle with Andrean and Lowell. 

The NCC needs to bring in the two Hammond schools to elevate competition within the conference.  

Don't know what they are waiting for

[Guest DT]

The ass whipping that Roncalli gave to Hobart was probably a good thing for the Brickie program.  Craig Osika was there during the peak of the Hobart run and Ill bet that he took that beatdown very personally, probably much more than the players did.  But it still shows how wide the gap is between The Region and a state championship, at any level. 

[scarab527]

1 hour ago, DT said:

The NCC needs to bring in the two Hammond schools to elevate competition within the conference.  

Don't know what they are waiting for

I think you’re overrating the impact this would have. 

[Guest DT]

5 minutes ago, scarab527 said:

I think you’re overrating the impact this would have. 

Morton would have an immediate impact.  HC will be competitive in 5 years and they have a great basketball program.  And 8 schools give the conference more stability   This could be a football-basketball move only.  

[Goose Liver]

1 hour ago, DT said:

The ass whipping that Roncalli gave to Hobart was probably a good thing for the Brickie program.  Craig Osika was there during the peak of the Hobart run and Ill bet that he took that beatdown very personally, probably much more than the players did.  But it still shows how wide the gap is between The Region and a state championship, at any level. 

Well spoken, the gap has widened between the Region Teams and south from the time Hobart dominated in the 80's and 90's. 

[Guest DT]

1 minute ago, Goose Liver said:

Well spoken, the gap has widened between the Region Teams and south from the time Hobart dominated in the 80's and 90's. 

Dont forget, Hobart never "dominated" the south.  They lost "7" state championship games in the Howell era in 11 trips.

Make that 8 now.

 

[Goose Liver]

Just now, DT said:

Dont forget, Hobart never "dominated" the south.  They lost "7" state championship games in the Howell era in 11 trips.

Make that 8 now.

 

Maybe not statewide but for the Region they dominated..... must admit TWELVE trips to the big show is more than most schools in the Region can claim. 

[Guest DT]

4 minutes ago, Goose Liver said:

Maybe not statewide but for the Region they dominated..... must admit TWELVE trips to the big show is more than most schools in the Region can claim. 

Im not down playing the 12 trips.  Its an historic achievement, and Hobart is the second most successful Region program ever, after EC Roosevelt of the 40s and 50s.

But the Bricks are dogged by the big game loser reputation, at all levels including conference, sectional, and regional.  Roncalli destroyed them and that should send a clear signal to Osika that his team is not big enough, fast enough, strong enough, skilled enough or deep enough to win at the state level.  Does he have the resources to overcome thiose obstacles?  That is the ultimate challenge for this program.  

Edited March 5, 2021 by DT

[Bobref]

5 minutes ago, Goose Liver said:

Maybe not statewide but for the Region they dominated..... must admit TWELVE trips to the big show is more than most schools in the Region can claim. 

That has little, if anything, to do with the question that started this thread.

[Goose Liver]

3 hours ago, Bobref said:

That has little, if anything, to do with the question that started this thread.

In part, the conversation had gotten a little off the path with domination comment. One point I will agree on is the differences today and the differences back in the 80's 90's era. The markers have moved and the gap is much larger here in the 21st Century. None of us has a crystal ball for those answers. Hobart is a stagnant population base, there are a few new subdivisions being built but not on a scale of the other areas in the Region. The head count has remained at 1340 to 1350 for many years which supports the stagnation comment. If anyone can take the program to the next level Craig Osika can accomplish the task. So for now the NCC is what Hobart needs to master.

[Guest DT]

10 minutes ago, Goose Liver said:

In part, the conversation had gotten a little off the path with domination comment. One point I will agree on is the differences today and the differences back in the 80's 90's era. The markers have moved and the gap is much larger here in the 21st Century. None of us has a crystal ball for those answers. Hobart is a stagnant population base, there are a few new subdivisions being built but not on a scale of the other areas in the Region. The head count has remained at 1340 to 1350 for many years which supports the stagnation comment. If anyone can take the program to the next level Craig Osika can accomplish the task. So for now the NCC is what Hobart needs to master.

Agree

Hobart needs to string together a few unbeaten regular seasons before they are at the level of the south 4A elites.

Frankly it shows actually how weak 4A north is that this Hobart team made it all the way to the finals.  They looked completely overmatched against Roncalli.  

[Guest DT]

2 minutes ago, DT said:

Agree

Hobart needs to string together a few unbeaten regular seasons before they are at the level of the south 4A elites.

Frankly it shows actually how weak 4A north is that this Hobart team made it all the way to the finals. 

Look who they beat to get to LOS :  

Gavit

Gary West

Lowell

Logansport

Marion

Lowell was the only real threat.  

 

 

[Bartrum Trail]

As a proud Hobart grad who has sat through 8 of their state championship games, and attended this past game.   Any school would be glad to be playing in the state championship game.   Hobart has had a very strong class just come through, and based on what I have seen from the coaching staff they have done an excellent job of incorporating underclassmen with this group.   The culture that Coach Osika has built is solid, the school and community support has always been there.   The future does look bright. 

[Guest DT]

18 hours ago, Bartrum Trail said:

As a proud Hobart grad who has sat through 8 of their state championship games, and attended this past game.   Any school would be glad to be playing in the state championship game.   Hobart has had a very strong class just come through, and based on what I have seen from the coaching staff they have done an excellent job of incorporating underclassmen with this group.   The culture that Coach Osika has built is solid, the school and community support has always been there.   The future does look bright. 

Im sure he is reading, so here is a message directly to Coach Osika:

Coach

You should be pushing the NCC as hard as possible to reach out and invite the two Hammond schools into the conference.  Hobart did a nice job upgrading the front end of its schedule with former DAC rivals Chesterton and Merrillville in weeks one and two, but those games dont do much to help prepare the team for post season play late in the regular season.  Unfortunately, Highland, Munster and KV dont put up much of a fight in NCC play.  Griffith and Culver in weeks 3 and 4 non con will do little to prepare the team for the tournamanent.

Morton is serious about their program.  Have you looked at their schedule?  They are traveling to Elkhart, Cathedral and Bloomington South next season.  They obviously are very optimistic about their program.  Hammond Central will take some time to develop, but they will be a 5A school, and that is exactly what Hobart needs on its schedule.

In tired of hearing that Morton and Central are not a good fit in the NCC.  Why is that?  Is the NCC too good for those schools?  Too suburban?  Too rural?  Too Catholic?  Morton plays all the NCC schools and has for years.  HC will bring the long heritage of Hammond High football with them.  

Coach, take the bull by the horns and lead the charge to admit Morton and Central into the NCC.  Is a great fit for all schools.  Perhaps football and basketball only for starters.

 

[Bobref]

21 minutes ago, DT said:

Im sure he is reading, so here is a message directly to Coach Osika

@DT, sometimes you remind me of myself: often wrong, but never in doubt.

[Guest DT]

1 hour ago, Bobref said:

@DT, sometimes you remind me of myself: often wrong, but never in doubt.

Seems like a no brainer to me.  But what do I know.  Im just a Highland schmuck!

 

 

[Justasportsfan]

On 3/5/2021 at 2:59 PM, DT said:

Agree

Hobart needs to string together a few unbeaten regular seasons before they are at the level of the south 4A elites.

Frankly it shows actually how weak 4A north is that this Hobart team made it all the way to the finals.  They looked completely overmatched against Roncalli.  

4a north can thank the sf for that..hey..everybody wins...eventually..🏆🏆

[Bobref]

Some bad stuff going down at Hobart involving the football program. Stay tuned.

[scarab527]

4 hours ago, Bobref said:

Some bad stuff going down at Hobart involving the football program. Stay tuned.

Heard some rumors about this, thought they seemed a little too outlandish to be true. Seems they actually might be. 

[Bobref]

4 hours ago, scarab527 said:

Heard some rumors about this, thought they seemed a little too outlandish to be true. Seems they actually might be. 

Whatever you heard, the truth is probably worse. Although the story doesn’t say so, the former coach involved was a football assistant. This is going to be a really sordid bombshell when the details are made public. Since CPS was notified, I assume at least one of the students involved was a minor. Somebody’s going to jail.

Former Hobart coach accused of misconduct with one or more student-athletes, police say

HOBART — A former Hobart coach has been accused of inappropriate communications with one or more student-athletes, police said.

On Wednesday the Hobart Police Department released limited information on the ongoing investigation and the identity of the former coach has not been released.

If Hobart authorities determine something criminal occurred, criminal charges will be announced at the end of the investigation, said Hobart police Capt. James Gonzales.

Details of the alleged inappropriate communications remain unknown at this time.

“Due to the sensitivity and the integrity of the ongoing investigation, no more specific details are available at this time,” Gonzales said. “We want to assure our community that the School City of Hobart and the Hobart Police Department have taken all appropriate measures to protect our students.”

School City of Hobart Superintendent Peggy Buffington issued a statement, saying that safety and security of the students is at the forefront of the school system. Hobart Athletic Director Mike Black also issued the same statement to The Times.

“In doing so, all employees, including instructional staff, extracurricular staff and non-instructional staff must submit to a criminal background check and reference checks,” the statement said. “Despite these precautions, the School City of Hobart has recently learned that a former athletic coach allegedly engaged in misconduct involving high school athletes.”

School officials said once the alleged conduct was discovered by the school administration, the School City of Hobart notified Hobart police and Lake County Child Protective Services, as required by Indiana Code.

“The School City of Hobart notified parents and continues to follow up with students,” the statement said. “The Hobart Police Department has taken over the investigation of this matter since it does not involve a current employed coach. The School City of Hobart will continue to cooperate with the police department to ensure student safety, as well as to provide students necessary confidentiality.”

Neither school officials or police have released yet when the coach was last employed with School City Hobart and when the allegations came to light.

[Boilernation]

2 hours ago, Bobref said:

Whatever you heard, the truth is probably worse. Although the story doesn’t say so, the former coach involved was a football assistant. This is going to be a really sordid bombshell when the details are made public. Since CPS was notified, I assume at least one of the students involved was a minor. Somebody’s going to jail.

Former Hobart coach accused of misconduct with one or more student-athletes, police say

HOBART — A former Hobart coach has been accused of inappropriate communications with one or more student-athletes, police said.

On Wednesday the Hobart Police Department released limited information on the ongoing investigation and the identity of the former coach has not been released.

If Hobart authorities determine something criminal occurred, criminal charges will be announced at the end of the investigation, said Hobart police Capt. James Gonzales.

Details of the alleged inappropriate communications remain unknown at this time.

“Due to the sensitivity and the integrity of the ongoing investigation, no more specific details are available at this time,” Gonzales said. “We want to assure our community that the School City of Hobart and the Hobart Police Department have taken all appropriate measures to protect our students.”

School City of Hobart Superintendent Peggy Buffington issued a statement, saying that safety and security of the students is at the forefront of the school system. Hobart Athletic Director Mike Black also issued the same statement to The Times.

“In doing so, all employees, including instructional staff, extracurricular staff and non-instructional staff must submit to a criminal background check and reference checks,” the statement said. “Despite these precautions, the School City of Hobart has recently learned that a former athletic coach allegedly engaged in misconduct involving high school athletes.”

School officials said once the alleged conduct was discovered by the school administration, the School City of Hobart notified Hobart police and Lake County Child Protective Services, as required by Indiana Code.

“The School City of Hobart notified parents and continues to follow up with students,” the statement said. “The Hobart Police Department has taken over the investigation of this matter since it does not involve a current employed coach. The School City of Hobart will continue to cooperate with the police department to ensure student safety, as well as to provide students necessary confidentiality.”

Neither school officials or police have released yet when the coach was last employed with School City Hobart and when the allegations came to light.

That headline is potentially very misleading. I immediately think Ryan Turley, which if it isn't him, the headline should include the word assistant.