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17 minutes ago, Muda69 said:

Then you didn't know the "old Muda" as well as you thought you did.

Do you as a private citizen and property owner have the right to censor an individual who say, walks into your front yard with a sign that says "God's Dead!" and marches back and forth for an hour?

What if the same individual does this on the lawn of the Tippecanoe County Courthouse?

 

 

That's interesting because the "old Muda" used to complain an awful lot about timeouts and posts being censored on GID, often railing against and goading moderators. 

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https://www.dailywire.com/news/44270/watch-us-border-patrol-offers-staggering-numbers-hank-berrien?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=dwtwitter

At a press briefing conducted by U.S. Customs and Border Protection on Tuesday, numbers were offered that showed how urgently U.S. Border Patrol needs help, including the fact that in February alone, the Border Patrol executed over 66,000 apprehensions of illegal immigrants.

Brian Hastings, chief of operations at Border Control headquarters, stated that in February, U.S. Border Patrol executed over 66,000 apprehensions; since October there have been over 268,000 apprehensions, a 97% increase over the previous fiscal year to that point. Hastings noted that some people said there were comparable numbers in the past, but Hastings pointed out that the demographics are different now, as in the past the immigrants were primarily from Mexico, and thus returning them was not as difficult, while presently the bulk of immigrants are coming from what he called the “northern triangle” of Guatemala, El Salvador and Honduras.

He stated, “Historically the U.S. Border Patrol has arrested 70 to 90% Mexican nationals; we could apply a consequence to that demographic; we could return them quickly to Mexico. Today 70% of all those we are arresting are from the northern triangle: Guatemala, El Salvador, and Honduras.” He continued, “October 2018 marked the first time in our history that family units exceeded single adult apprehensions, and in February of 2019 family units and unaccompanied children accounted for 65% of all Border Patrol apprehensions."

Hastings warned, “So without a consequence, without being able to deliver a consequence to these individuals for illegally crossing our borders, the Border Patrol has no reason to expect that this trend will decrease; in fact, we believe it will increase. It’s well known at this time that adults with children will not be detained during the immigration proceedings for illegal entry; the word of mouth in social media quickly gets back to those in the northern triangle countries that if you bring a child, you will be successful. From April 2018 through February 2019, we’ve had almost 2,400 fraudulent claims of families. Of those fraudulent claims, some are folks who have claimed they are under 18 and they’re not; others have actually been fraudulent familial claims.”

Hastings noted that in the current fiscal year there have already been 70 groups of over 100 people, yielding over 12,000 apprehensions. He noted that the previous year there were 13 such groups; the year before that only two. He also pointed out that the large groups are entering through rugged terrain in Arizona and New Mexico that is quite far from the central processing areas, medical services, and transportation services the U.S. has. Hastings added that drug cartels are using the large groups to distract Border Patrol agents so that the cartels can conduct their transport and machinations unimpeded.

Commissioner of U.S. Customs and Border Protection Kevin McAleenan added, “It should be very clear from these numbers that we are facing alarming trends in the rising volume of people illegally crossing our southwest border or arriving at our ports of entry without documents. This increased flow presents, currently at our highest level in over a decade, both a border security and humanitarian crisis.”

He warned, “The system is well beyond capacity, and remains at the breaking point."

McAleenan concluded, “Every single day, smugglers and traffickers profit from human misery, exploiting people who are seeking a better life. Through human smuggling, transnational criminal organizations have established a new multi-billion dollar line of business. The situation is not safe for migrants; it challenges our ability to provide humanitarian care; it contributes to dangerous conditions on our border, and enables smuggling while enriching criminals. Regardless of anyone’s preferred policy outcome, the status quo is unacceptable. It presents an urgent and increasing crisis that needs to be addressed.

 

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https://www.wkyc.com/article/news/nation-world/texas-border-mayor-immigration-crisis-rhetoric-hurts-citys-image/507-626970585

McAllen, Texas — The president addressed the nation Tuesday night, laying out his case on why border security must include a wall, after deeming the situation at the border as a ‘crisis’.

But what do those who run local governments at the border say?

“The ‘crisis’ doesn’t affect us, except the rhetoric does,” said McAllen Mayor Jim Darling.

McAllen is a booming border city in deep south Texas with over 140,000 residents. Darling often boasts that the city has one of the lowest crime rates in the nation.

“When you put the army, the National Guard, DPS, etc., it gives the illusion that we’re in a dangerous area,” said Darling. “When you talk about a crisis on the border, that adds to it.”

It’s an image problem that cities along the border have had to fight against for years throughout several presidential administrations, as bad publicity scares away investment, argues Darling.

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2 hours ago, gonzoron said:

McAllen is a booming border city in deep south Texas with over 140,000 residents. Darling often boasts that the city has one of the lowest crime rates in the nation.

“When you put the army, the National Guard, DPS, etc., it gives the illusion that we’re in a dangerous area,” said Darling. “When you talk about a crisis on the border, that adds to it.”

This is the same thing that happens with El Paso.  El Paso has traditionally had a crime rate that's lower than the US average for cities over 500,000 citizens.  You can see in the graph below, from the FBI's UCR data, that El Paso's crime rate decreased in similar fashion to the average of the other 32 largest cities in the US

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Trump blustered that El Paso used to be a dangerous city before it got border fencing and now it's one of the safest when he was getting ready to make his PR trip to El Paso.  El Paso has always gotten a bum hit being a border town, just like Laredo, McAllen, Edinburgh, and Brownsville.  Those cities are safer than Indianapolis ... by far.  Cities along the border will tell you that it isn't the walls that make the cities safer.  Many, like El Paso, have been safer than the US average for a while.  What border towns will tell you is an increase in PERSONNEL certainly doesn't hurt impacting the rates for the better.  Still, Trump's digs at El Paso concerning crime mirror the same issue that many border towns run into ... folks keep trying to scare the bejeezus out of other folks by making claims against those that they claim to help.   

https://www.elpasotimes.com/story/news/politics/2019/02/05/fact-check-state-union-trump-el-paso-crime-rate-fence/2784362002/

https://www.elpasotimes.com/story/opinion/2019/02/15/violent-crime-el-paso-before-and-after-border-fence-column/2875181002/

http://www.epbusinessjournal.com/2016/02/border-communities-have-lower-crime-rates/

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2019/feb/08/donald-trump/no-border-barrier-did-not-drive-down-crime-el-paso/

 

 

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5 hours ago, swordfish said:

Thanks for the clarification Fox.  AND As I said, nice job.

I think we can agree there is indeed a major problem on the border.  We can agree to disagree on what we opine is the best solution.  My belief is that a wall from end to end WILL absolutely stop the infiltration of ILLEGAL border crossing that has plagued every administration since and including Reagan.  Stopping the illegal points of entry, and funneling immigrants through legal points of entry is what I (and I believe most others) want to see.

With regard to legal ports of entry, realize that, since 2007, visa overstays have outnumbered southern border crossings each year and, based on trending data from Center for Migration Studies of New York (CMS), the undocumented alien population of the US has been pushing toward a tipping point, if it isn't already there, where more are here on overstayed visas than illegal border crossings.  In 2014, they estimated 42% of the undocumented population was overstays and that 66% of undocumented aliens were from visa overstays.  They estimated that overstay portion had grown to 44% in 2015.  So it the idea is to funnel folks through legal ports of entry, that system doesn't work all that well.  

As for that wall stopping people, note that the current wall structure had over 9,000 breaches between 2010 and 2015 as reported by CBP.  So if the idea is that folks are taking the easy way around, then why are there so many folks who aren't, as the President claimed, getting to the wall, turning right and then turning left when they get to the end of the fence?.  Earlier this year, some 350+ people entered the country UNDER an existing wall.  And we haven't even scratched the surface yet as to issues of environmental impact, private land that will need to be wrestled from the owners, and impact on many of the bi-cultural cities on those borders and the impact on socioeconomic issues.  In short, the wall is a great political rallying cry, but it won't have nearly the impact that folks think that it will.  And, once it would be build and folks realize that there are all kinds of other ways around, like catching a flight out of Mexico to Canada and then cross there.  What does the wall do for us when coyotes figure that they can convince people of the following:

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When the average cost of coyotes tends to be around $4,000 - $10,000 for access from the south, an extra $400 will be minimal.  By the way, realize that there are already coyote equivalents that get people here from Africa, Europe, and China, with costs that range from a couple thousand all the way to six figures ... and the vast majority of those aren't coming through the southern border.  In answer to the question, what happens once the wall is built and the breaches happen, the coyotes start using similar methods to non-Central American, non-SouthAmerican, non_Mexican counterparts, and others just come in and overstay?  The Maginot Line comes to mind.

https://www.gao.gov/assets/700/693488.pdf

https://cmsny.org/publications/jmhs-visa-overstays-border-wall/

https://www.usnews.com/news/national-news/articles/2019-01-18/nearly-400-migrants-tunnel-under-border-wall-to-enter-united-states-from-mexico

https://openborders.info/human-smuggling-fees/

 

 

 

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15 hours ago, foxbat said:

That's interesting because the "old Muda" used to complain an awful lot about timeouts and posts being censored on GID, often railing against and goading moderators. 

Yes, I did.  And I still do.  

If you disagree with my recent moderation decisions then by all means please lodge those concerns with the upper GID management, you know who they are.  If they deem my recent actions to be out of line they may discipline me,  possibly even removing my current moderation abilities.  

And you never responded to my two scenarios regarding censorship.  Interesting.

 

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38 minutes ago, gonzoron said:

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Two different crimes, with different sentencing guidelines.   That said, I agree that current state and federal laws regarding marijuana, and other current illegal substances for that matter, should be repealed.  Government has no business telling an adult individual what they can or cannot put into their body.

 

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12 minutes ago, Muda69 said:

Yes, I did.  And I still do.  

If you disagree with my recent moderation decisions then by all means please lodge those concerns with the upper GID management, you know who they are.  If they deem my recent actions to be out of line they may discipline me,  possibly even removing my current moderation abilities.  

And you never responded to my two scenarios regarding censorship.  Interesting.

 

As your recent actions show that discussion or knowledge isn't really the end goal.

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12 hours ago, foxbat said:

This is the same thing that happens with El Paso.  El Paso has traditionally had a crime rate that's lower than the US average for cities over 500,000 citizens.  You can see in the graph below, from the FBI's UCR data, that El Paso's crime rate decreased in similar fashion to the average of the other 32 largest cities in the US

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Trump blustered that El Paso used to be a dangerous city before it got border fencing and now it's one of the safest when he was getting ready to make his PR trip to El Paso.  El Paso has always gotten a bum hit being a border town, just like Laredo, McAllen, Edinburgh, and Brownsville.  Those cities are safer than Indianapolis ... by far.  Cities along the border will tell you that it isn't the walls that make the cities safer.  Many, like El Paso, have been safer than the US average for a while.  What border towns will tell you is an increase in PERSONNEL certainly doesn't hurt impacting the rates for the better.  Still, Trump's digs at El Paso concerning crime mirror the same issue that many border towns run into ... folks keep trying to scare the bejeezus out of other folks by making claims against those that they claim to help.   

https://www.elpasotimes.com/story/news/politics/2019/02/05/fact-check-state-union-trump-el-paso-crime-rate-fence/2784362002/

https://www.elpasotimes.com/story/opinion/2019/02/15/violent-crime-el-paso-before-and-after-border-fence-column/2875181002/

http://www.epbusinessjournal.com/2016/02/border-communities-have-lower-crime-rates/

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2019/feb/08/donald-trump/no-border-barrier-did-not-drive-down-crime-el-paso/

 

 

OK - Then let's just remove the walls from the cities like El Paso and McAllen........And move them to the places that actually want them.....

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2 minutes ago, swordfish said:

OK - Then let's just remove the walls from the cities like El Paso and McAllen........And move them to the places that actually want them.....

Wouldn't that defeat the purpose of "from end to end" and also run contrary to the argument that the wall has to be completed all the way across to do what the President is saying that a wall will accomplish? 

I'm not seeing a huge clamoring for walls for the folks on the border.  One that does come to mind is Yuma, AZ, while Douglas, AZ mayor says he'd rather see the money put into infrastructure and education.  Town like Nogales, AZ and Columbus, NM where walls/barriers currently exist lament the impacts to the economy and labor market.  What you hear many mayors, city councils, etc. expressing for their communities is that instead of walls, they'd like to see more money put into ports of entry and the "accouterments" that come with that.  Note that cities of McAllen, Hidalgo, Laredo, Pharr, and Mission combined to send a letter to President Trump expressly addressing this issue in terms that said no to the wall and yes to increases in beefing up activity at ports of entry.  This is also similar to sentiments expressed out of El Paso.  Their letter points out that 90% of  drug seizure are coming through those legal ports of entry which also tracks pretty closely with CBP.  CBP also indicated that drugs being seized at non-port-of-entry locations has been declining.  In one instance, they point out that 2017 confiscations away from ports of entry was a third of what it was just five years earlier in 2012.  At the same time, CBP is reporting increased hard drugs traffic at ports of entry. CBP indicates that, over the past five years, cocaine seizures at ports of entry have increased over 30%, heroin seizures are up 40%, and meth seizures are up 250%.

And the benefit of beefing up ports of entry includes the same kinds of things that El Paso has seen ... more law enforcement presence.  El Paso often points to the fact that they have PERSONNEL not walls that works toward them having a low crime rate compared to the average of the other 32 largest cities in the country.   The other more important item attached to increasing personnel is that it's flexible.  If all of a sudden Canadian borders become problem areas and things die down in the south, the personnel is movable ... a wall isn't.  If more folks start bypassing southern lab routes and start coming by boat, the personnel is movable.  If more resources are needed at ports of entry, personnel are movable ... a wall isn't.

http://time.com/5499188/mcallen-residents-not-supporting-border-wall/

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/01/09/border-mayors-ports-entry-donald-trump-speech/2525604002/

https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/politics/border-issues/2019/01/08/most-hard-drugs-get-smuggled-into-u-s-through-ports-entry/2517586002/

https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/politics/border-issues/2018/02/23/united-states-mexico-border-patrol-drugs-seized/353260002/

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/08/us/border-wall-crisis-mexico-usa.html

https://www.star-telegram.com/news/state/texas/article152402734.html

 

 

 

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17 hours ago, gonzoron said:

"Madam, do you have a spa moment for a picture?"

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I bet her business probably had a windfall in revenue that year of $130,000 from "a tip."

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On 3/8/2019 at 9:52 AM, foxbat said:

Wouldn't that defeat the purpose of "from end to end" and also run contrary to the argument that the wall has to be completed all the way across to do what the President is saying that a wall will accomplish? 

Sure would, especially if the cities that already have a wall don't want them anymore - would save the rest of us some money..... and most likely prove a point......that walls work.....

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