temptation Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 (edited) 34 minutes ago, BTF said: I wouldn't call it a sham. They had good quarterback play, that was the difference. Isn't that what held Michigan back for several years? Good quarterback play is essential and while you are correct, there were many other variables at play. 1. The more and more data we see in 2021 leads me to believe that 2020 was an anomaly for more than just the Hoosiers. 2. The lack of crowds (environment is the number one difference between the pro/collegiate game) benefited certain teams. These are 18-22 year old kids who thrive on emotion. Take it away and all bets are off. 3. Both Penn State and Michigan had key opt outs last season and their return to the top ten this season proves they were a shell of themselves in 2020. (No fault of the Hoosiers but still a fact.) All week long I’ve heard how Indiana gave Ohio State a great game in the horseshoe last year, hell I heard it all summer. The reason I bring that up is that folks projected that into their chances this fall. It hasn’t worked out that way. Like I said above, Indiana will find ways to score against Ohio State but the 2020 result was more attributed to the Buckeyes taking their foot off the gas more so than IU closing the gap. Edited October 21, 2021 by temptation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTF Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 All good points for sure. My biggest takeaway from last year was #2. I agree that players thrive on that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southend Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 Well it’s D-Day for the Hoosiers. I hope they give a good account of themselves. Not remotely optimistic about a win, but I sure would like to see the offense solve some problems ,for the remainder if their schedule. Then finish on an upbeat. Man it must be hard right now to be in a positive frame of mind. Like a multiple time NCAA champion basketball coach said for college athletes, the mental too the physical is as 4 is to 1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
temptation Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 10 hours ago, southend said: Well it’s D-Day for the Hoosiers. I hope they give a good account of themselves. Not remotely optimistic about a win, but I sure would like to see the offense solve some problems ,for the remainder if their schedule. Then finish on an upbeat. Man it must be hard right now to be in a positive frame of mind. Like a multiple time NCAA champion basketball coach said for college athletes, the mental too the physical is as 4 is to 1. Eh… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irishman Posted October 24, 2021 Author Share Posted October 24, 2021 Ouch……visiting family in Wisconsin and just saw the score. That is brutal. The one thing that is noticeable with Ryan Day compared to even Urban Meyer……..Day knows how to get his team to bury a team like IU, where it always felt like Meyer’s teams were just as superior….they played just well enough to pull off a win in most years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalterSobchak Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 (edited) 19 minutes ago, Irishman said: Ouch……visiting family in Wisconsin and just saw the score. That is brutal. The one thing that is noticeable with Ryan Day compared to even Urban Meyer……..Day knows how to get his team to bury a team like IU, where it always felt like Meyer’s teams were just as superior….they played just well enough to pull off a win in most years. Indiana has to find a QB in the transfer portal or two. Indiana's defense is good IMO but not good enough to completely stop Ohio State but good enough to stop them at times but since IU's offense is so bad and going 3 and out. IU's defense is on the field non stop. Indiana has to sustain drives and their terrible QB play and offensive line woes doesn't allow them to do that. Edited October 24, 2021 by WalterSobchak Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irishman Posted October 24, 2021 Author Share Posted October 24, 2021 48 minutes ago, WalterSobchak said: Indiana has to find a QB in the transfer portal or two. Indiana's defense is good IMO but not good enough to completely stop Ohio State but good enough to stop them at times but since IU's offense is so bad and going 3 and out. IU's defense is on the field non stop. Indiana has to sustain drives and their terrible QB play and offensive line woes doesn't allow them to do that. Spencer Rattler comes to mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southend Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 Man the caliber of opponents this year and the added high school play calling by Indiana has done the team morale in. Could not have been a better perfect storm to doom this team. From the first game ass kicking, Allen was never able to put the team back on track, grasping for straws all the way. And to think temptation was saying they would win 6 or 7 games. He must have reach for the wrong pipe. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobref Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 9 hours ago, WalterSobchak said: Indiana has to find a QB in the transfer portal or two. Drew Pyne from Notre Dame would look good in red. Barring injury to Tyler Buchner, he’s not going to play next year. What I don’t know is whether he’ll have to sit a year, or whether the COVID exception is still in effect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southend Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 Indiana needs more than a good QB. They have QB’s that the coaching staff recruited. They need to use who they offered scholarships to. It’s not players,they need a Coach who knows how to call a game , and set up an offense that will work and be successful. And I’m not talking about WINS here. Sheridan is in way over his head, and it is more glaring every game. Essentially the same players back from last year and look at them now. A shell of what they were in wins or losses this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
temptation Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 (edited) On 7/9/2021 at 11:21 AM, Footballking16 said: Where do I sign? Here works. On 7/11/2021 at 4:52 PM, Footballking16 said: I think they go 9-3 Losses: OSU, Penn State, 1 of Cincy/Iowa 9 wins over the next two years combined seems realistic. Edited October 24, 2021 by temptation 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalterSobchak Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 17 hours ago, southend said: Man the caliber of opponents this year and the added high school play calling by Indiana has done the team morale in. Could not have been a better perfect storm to doom this team. From the first game ass kicking, Allen was never able to put the team back on track, grasping for straws all the way. And to think temptation was saying they would win 6 or 7 games. He must have reach for the wrong pipe. High school play calling? Sheridan called the O last season too lol. Penix threw 2 pick sixes against Iowa and threw 3 picks against Cinnci...better QB probably means Iowa is a closer game, Cinnci is probably a win. QB play is killing them right now. Tuttle going out killed IU big time offensively. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
temptation Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 17 minutes ago, WalterSobchak said: High school play calling? Sheridan called the O last season too lol. Penix threw 2 pick sixes against Iowa and threw 3 picks against Cinnci...better QB probably means Iowa is a closer game, Cinnci is probably a win. QB play is killing them right now. Tuttle going out killed IU big time offensively. Yes, with good QB play last night they only lose 54-17. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southend Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 4 hours ago, WalterSobchak said: High school play calling? Sheridan called the O last season too lol. Penix threw 2 pick sixes against Iowa and threw 3 picks against Cinnci...better QB probably means Iowa is a closer game, Cinnci is probably a win. QB play is killing them right now. Tuttle going out killed IU big time offensively. You maybe right , Sheridan could be classified as a hot commodity with this kind of play calling. I get it now, thanks. So, let me get this straight ,Allen needs to up the ante next year for this coach to try to fend off the big school offers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bash Riprock Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 15 hours ago, WalterSobchak said: High school play calling? Sheridan called the O last season too lol. Penix threw 2 pick sixes against Iowa and threw 3 picks against Cinnci...better QB probably means Iowa is a closer game, Cinnci is probably a win. QB play is killing them right now. Tuttle going out killed IU big time offensively. Don't disagree about QB play...but IU (as big as they are on the O line) was manhandled on the LOS on both sides of the ball. Manhandled. The hit that knocked out Tuttle....wow. Drove his head into the helmet of his one of his OLineman being pushed back there with the QB. While I will not defend IU QB play, they have lots of issues on that OL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psaboy Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 Hoosiers probably have the toughest schedule in B1G and maybe country. Playing 6 teams in or near the top ten rankings at different points of the season. I think is time to move away from Penix. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irishman Posted October 25, 2021 Author Share Posted October 25, 2021 8 minutes ago, psaboy said: Hoosiers probably have the toughest schedule in B1G and maybe country. Playing 6 teams in or near the top ten rankings at different points of the season. I think is time to move away from Penix. Just one week ago, ESPN had it rated as the toughest schedule. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
temptation Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 20 minutes ago, Irishman said: Just one week ago, ESPN had it rated as the toughest schedule. I think this would be more applicable had those 5 losses been close. Three of them were absolute bloodbaths. The Hoosiers have been outscored 170-52 in those 5 contests… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psaboy Posted October 26, 2021 Share Posted October 26, 2021 22 minutes ago, temptation said: I think this would be more applicable had those 5 losses been close. Three of them were absolute bloodbaths. The Hoosiers have been outscored 170-52 in those 5 contests… Yep, They hung their hat on Penix and rightfully so. But he is an injury waiting to happen and he knows that and plays that way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irishman Posted October 30, 2021 Author Share Posted October 30, 2021 McCulley had a solid game, but still has work to do....Once again, lack of depth hurts them, especially on defense. Over 400 yards passing and 29 first downs given up is not good. After all that went wrong, IU still had chances. McCulley HAS to be the go to the rest of the way now. Announcers mentioned they hoped to get Penix back, but at this point, for his own sake, He does not need to play again this season. I know he is a red shirt junior, but as we have all seen, he is not the same player he was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 30, 2021 Share Posted October 30, 2021 1 hour ago, Irishman said: McCulley had a solid game, but still has work to do....Once again, lack of depth hurts them, especially on defense. Over 400 yards passing and 29 first downs given up is not good. After all that went wrong, IU still had chances. McCulley HAS to be the go to the rest of the way now. Announcers mentioned they hoped to get Penix back, but at this point, for his own sake, He does not need to play again this season. I know he is a red shirt junior, but as we have all seen, he is not the same player he was. I agree. Stay with McCulley and he is your starter for the next 3 seasons. Iu is not as good as its record indicated last year and not as bad as this years record looks. They are basically a 5 to 7 win team in the current environment. Allen parlayed his one great season into a 3.5M contract. Good for him. IU brass was bamboozled. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHJIrish Posted October 31, 2021 Share Posted October 31, 2021 Tough loss for the Hoosiers today. Third string freshman QB McCulley had a decent day but the defense wasn't up to par. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southend Posted October 31, 2021 Share Posted October 31, 2021 All the way around you can see the lack of depth for this program, and has been this way for the last 3or 4 coaching changes. Before Wilson. They can and usually do stay with the good teams for 2 to 3 quarters then boom, they get wore down. This year they haven’t been quite as strong, but then again the strength of schedule is crazy. I’m glad Allen got a big contract, the last thing the program needs is a new head coach. Onto the next game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irishman Posted October 31, 2021 Author Share Posted October 31, 2021 Defense came into the game with some injuries. Yep they can keep up......and while I am not digging for moral victories, the guy that people are now touting as a Heisman front runner only gained 84 yards against the IU defense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHJIrish Posted October 31, 2021 Share Posted October 31, 2021 38 minutes ago, southend said: All the way around you can see the lack of depth for this program, and has been this way for the last 3or 4 coaching changes. Before Wilson. They can and usually do stay with the good teams for 2 to 3 quarters then boom, they get wore down. This year they haven’t been quite as strong, but then again the strength of schedule is crazy. I’m glad Allen got a big contract, the last thing the program needs is a new head coach. Onto the next game. I agree that IU just doesn't have the depth. Next man up just isn't good enough this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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