Trojanmp52 Posted September 5, 2021 Share Posted September 5, 2021 (edited) I was curious to what others opinions on this is. In my opinion itis a yes if your school coach runs this system and has it at all levels I believe kids get use to that style of play. So when you play a team that is the old 3 yards and a cloud of dust mind set. They have issues with the more physical part and pound of ever play getting hit at full speed Edited September 5, 2021 by Trojanmp52 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobref Posted September 6, 2021 Share Posted September 6, 2021 I don’t like the word “soft,” since to me it implies less than 100% effort, and I wouldn’t accuse someone of that just because of the style of their offense. But there is no doubt that the game has changed dramatically. It’s now much more of a scheme, matchup, one on one game than ever before. Now, it’s all about getting the ball to players in space, so they can make a big play. Reminds me a lot of MLB these days, where record numbers of homers are being hit … along with record numbers of strikeouts. Both football and baseball now live by the big play. I halfway think that the reason is our video game, internet, text message, social media culture simply lacks the patience, and the attention span, to be effective at doing it the old way. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEAL_63 Posted September 6, 2021 Share Posted September 6, 2021 1 hour ago, Bobref said: I don’t like the word “soft,” since to me it implies less than 100% effort, and I wouldn’t accuse someone of that just because of the style of their offense. But there is no doubt that the game has changed dramatically. It’s now much more of a scheme, matchup, one on one game than ever before. Now, it’s all about getting the ball to players in space, so they can make a big play. Reminds me a lot of MLB these days, where record numbers of homers are being hit … along with record numbers of strikeouts. Both football and baseball now live by the big play. I halfway think that the reason is our video game, internet, text message, social media culture simply lacks the patience, and the attention span, to be effective at doing it the old way. Without a doubt. It's just the mind set that kids grow up with. Not necessarily a bad thing but just the way it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEAL_63 Posted September 6, 2021 Share Posted September 6, 2021 5 hours ago, Trojanmp52 said: I was curious to what others opinions on this is. In my opinion itis a yes if your school coach runs this system and has it at all levels I believe kids get use to that style of play. So when you play a team that is the old 3 yards and a cloud of dust mind set. They have issues with the more physical part and pound of ever play getting hit at full speed A simple answer is yes it has. But the game overall has drastically moved away from the uber physical days at every level just in the past 10-15 years. And I don't think that's a bad thing because it places a bigger emphasis on speed over size, which I think is great for high school football. But regardless of system..if you don't dedicate adequate time to developing your O-line it doesn't matter. Some teams try to cover up a bad OL with their skill players and it ultimately catches up to them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foxbat Posted September 6, 2021 Share Posted September 6, 2021 16 hours ago, Trojanmp52 said: I was curious to what others opinions on this is. In my opinion itis a yes if your school coach runs this system and has it at all levels I believe kids get use to that style of play. So when you play a team that is the old 3 yards and a cloud of dust mind set. They have issues with the more physical part and pound of ever play getting hit at full speed 10 hours ago, SEAL_63 said: A simple answer is yes it has. But the game overall has drastically moved away from the uber physical days at every level just in the past 10-15 years. And I don't think that's a bad thing because it places a bigger emphasis on speed over size, which I think is great for high school football. But regardless of system..if you don't dedicate adequate time to developing your O-line it doesn't matter. Some teams try to cover up a bad OL with their skill players and it ultimately catches up to them. As a former youth coach ... just retired after 18 seasons ... I have typically built my teams around running the ball as priority one. I was explaining to a kid the other day about boxing and telling him how it is certainly possible to knock a guy out with the first punch, but that tends to be rare. Instead, good boxers will use the body shots ... the traditional run game ... to either open up / set up the head shot, wear down an opponent, or both. I always had my lines practice the run against a 6-man defensive line to really work the ability to work the run. Yes, we had a passing game as well, but ultimately it wasn't unboxed until we mastered the run. It also made it easier to get more kids involved/active in the game at that youth level. If it's about the spread, when you are dealing with 10 year-olds, there are only a handful of fast kids who can throw and catch. With the run game, we needed 11 bodies doing work every play and so, I could get the kids who weren't yet fast or quick or good with their hands or who had weak arms or were less than graceful or the big guys involved in the game and keep them interested until their bodies caught up with their interest in the game. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoachOsGhost Posted September 6, 2021 Share Posted September 6, 2021 17 hours ago, Bobref said: I don’t like the word “soft,” since to me it implies less than 100% effort, and I wouldn’t accuse someone of that just because of the style of their offense. But there is no doubt that the game has changed dramatically. It’s now much more of a scheme, matchup, one on one game than ever before. Now, it’s all about getting the ball to players in space, so they can make a big play. Reminds me a lot of MLB these days, where record numbers of homers are being hit … along with record numbers of strikeouts. Both football and baseball now live by the big play. I halfway think that the reason is our video game, internet, text message, social media culture simply lacks the patience, and the attention span, to be effective at doing it the old way. I would agree I'm not sure "soft" is correct term. Also would agree our culture as a whole is to blame for this. This generation knows nothing but instant gratification with buy online get it next day or world of info at tips of fingers. This type of culture had hurt the ground and pound of having patience to beat your opponents will to win. That is why we are seeing more teams like Eastbrook in 2A have success with all the other coaches trying what they see in the pros. It is also hard to get kids to play to ground and pound because all they see is the finess of spread at pro and college level. Hard to idealize or imitate what you never know exists. I do think we will see a cultural shift since D fences have gotten smaller and quicker to accommodate for pass offense. Offenses will "MAKE FULLBACKS GREAT AGAIN"! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BendNotBreak Posted September 7, 2021 Share Posted September 7, 2021 The Spread is the natural response to a few big programs hoarding talent and ramming it down ur throat... in order for less talented programs to compete.. they had to find a way to isolate thier playmakers thus lessing the impact of being outmanned.... ie Basketball on Grass..... the roots having nothing to do w the vidio game culure... jmho 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BDGiant93 Posted September 7, 2021 Share Posted September 7, 2021 On 9/5/2021 at 5:48 PM, Trojanmp52 said: I was curious to what others opinions on this is. In my opinion itis a yes if your school coach runs this system and has it at all levels I believe kids get use to that style of play. So when you play a team that is the old 3 yards and a cloud of dust mind set. They have issues with the more physical part and pound of ever play getting hit at full speed Having seen some physical football teams play the spread. I say no. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtimeqb Posted September 7, 2021 Share Posted September 7, 2021 Evansville Mater Dei has been running 4 receiver "spread" sets since the mid-1990's. I dare you to walk into the Hilltop Inn and call them soft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BDGiant93 Posted September 7, 2021 Share Posted September 7, 2021 2001, 2014, and 2017 Ben Davis primarily ran the spread. 2018 Warren Central ran the spread. Heck, even Center Grove is running spread concepts with Jackson as QB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BendNotBreak Posted September 7, 2021 Share Posted September 7, 2021 With rule changes..Its def a less brutal game now... has to b to survive.... dose that make the players soft? I dont think so.... FB has been evolving since its inception.. forward pass ect... part of it greatness me thinks.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BendNotBreak Posted September 7, 2021 Share Posted September 7, 2021 Final thot.... one of the great lessons of FB is....... Adapt or Die....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grover Posted September 7, 2021 Share Posted September 7, 2021 Not sure I'd make it an indictment on the younger generation since it tends to be the older generation coaching them. That being said this former lineman and line coach thinks pass blocking sucks. 🤣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justasportsfan Posted September 8, 2021 Share Posted September 8, 2021 Not soft per se..need to have toughness to score from one yd out..usually the defense takes care of the grit work..after all..defense wins championships while offense wins games..seriously though..to make a deep playoff run in indiana the offense will need to run the ball in high level games.. bubble screens will only get u so far in the rain n snow.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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