CaptainHook Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 23 minutes ago, FastpacedO said: I believe he was talking about New Pal's current team (2021) is Sophomore/Junior heavy. New Pal's 2019 team that beat Cathedral in the Regional 35-10 was Senior/Junior heavy. Correct. I was talking about New Palestine. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
temptation Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 1 hour ago, FastpacedO said: No player from New Pal's current team was on the field in 2019. However there are a few Seniors on Cathedral's current team that were on the field in 2019 both Offensively and Defensively and were starting as Sophomore's. That being said I am sure the players are just preparing for their current opponent and not things from 2019. I believe he was talking about New Pal's current team (2021) is Sophomore/Junior heavy. New Pal's 2019 team that beat Cathedral in the Regional 35-10 was Senior/Junior heavy. Gotcha. Thanks for the clarification. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainHook Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 The Cathedral TE also played as a freshman in 2019. Made a couple big catches too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psaboy Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 13 hours ago, FastpacedO said: No player from New Pal's current team was on the field in 2019. However there are a few Seniors on Cathedral's current team that were on the field in 2019 both Offensively and Defensively and were starting as Sophomore's. That being said I am sure the players are just preparing for their current opponent and not things from 2019. I believe he was talking about New Pal's current team (2021) is Sophomore/Junior heavy. New Pal's 2019 team that beat Cathedral in the Regional 35-10 was Senior/Junior heavy. So New Pal should be good to very good next year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainHook Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 30 minutes ago, psaboy said: So New Pal should be good to very good next year? Only have 4 seniors starting. Quarterback, guard, linebacker, and safety. Several seniors in the defensive line rotation, though. At 1-3, this group had a lot to learn about playing hard and needed to improve their mental toughness. They've grown up a lot the last few weeks. I doubt it's enough to legitimately compete with the Irish on Friday, but 8 weeks ago, I didn't think they'd win the sectional either. FWIW, two junior OL and one sophomore OL are getting legit FBS looks. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FastpacedO Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 11 hours ago, psaboy said: So New Pal should be good to very good next year? I would say 100% yes they should be very good next year with a lot of young talent learning this year. They actually have progressed to be good this year with what you would call trial by fire. They graduated an extremely talented group in 2019. When you have that many talented upperclassmen playing the underclassmen don't get as many reps and they will have to learn with experience. New Pal definitely has a bright future, heck they are playing good football right now. I watched them against Decatur Central (a game they should have won) and they were solid, they just needed to learn and grow. Yes they took some lumps starting 1-3, but they learned a lot about themselves in those 3 losses to good teams (all who are still playing minus DC who lost to Cathedral last Friday). 10 hours ago, CaptainHook said: Only have 4 seniors starting. Quarterback, guard, linebacker, and safety. Several seniors in the defensive line rotation, though. At 1-3, this group had a lot to learn about playing hard and needed to improve their mental toughness. They've grown up a lot the last few weeks. I doubt it's enough to legitimately compete with the Irish on Friday, but 8 weeks ago, I didn't think they'd win the sectional either. FWIW, two junior OL and one sophomore OL are getting legit FBS looks. Agreed, I remember you specifically stating in a post they had a lot of learning to do. Coach Ralph and staff have definitely gone to work and have them improving each week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndianaWrestlingGuy Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 Cathedral has 40 juniors. Starting QB, WR1, TE1, 4Star DT are only returners, but should not have a ton of fall-off. Maybe we'll get a couple years of New Pal... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainHook Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 22 minutes ago, IndianaWrestlingGuy said: Cathedral has 40 juniors. Starting QB, WR1, TE1, 4Star DT are only returners, but should not have a ton of fall-off. Maybe we'll get a couple years of New Pal... Only if New Pal pulls the upset. If Cathedral wins, they are off to 6A for two years, and New Pal will return to 4A. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ACES Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 Does anyone know if this game will be televised? I have not seen it listed on IHSAA Champions Network! Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RLS1 Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 So Chatard will return to 3A after one year up? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerFan20 Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 Just now, RLS1 said: So Chatard will return to 3A after one year up? No, they will be back in 2023, unless they win their sectional and regional in 2022 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crimsonace1 Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 5 hours ago, IndianaWrestlingGuy said: Cathedral has 40 juniors. Starting QB, WR1, TE1, 4Star DT are only returners, but should not have a ton of fall-off. Maybe we'll get a couple years of New Pal... If New Pal wins, yes, they'll likely butt heads for two more years. If Cathedral wins, the Irish go to 6A and Dragons to 4A for the next two years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crimsonace1 Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 56 minutes ago, TigerFan20 said: No, they will be back in 2023, unless they win their sectional and regional in 2022 New two-year cycle begins this summer. There will be no Success Factor movement in 2023. I need to check with the IHSAA to see if the teams that got bumped but didn't win a sectional this year (like Chatard and WeBo) stay up for the next cycle or if they go back down. 4 hours ago, ACES said: Does anyone know if this game will be televised? I have not seen it listed on IHSAA Champions Network! Thanks I don't know of a video webcast but assume there will be one. WNDE (Cathedral) and NewPalRadio.com (New Pal) are both producing audio broadcasts. I'll be doing play-by-play on the New Pal broadcast. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerFan20 Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 13 minutes ago, crimsonace1 said: New two-year cycle begins this summer. There will be no Success Factor movement in 2023. I need to check with the IHSAA to see if the teams that got bumped but didn't win a sectional this year (like Chatard and WeBo) stay up for the next cycle or if they go back down. Thanks, forgot to factor in that last year didn’t count Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHJIrish Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 Tickets are bought and ready to go Friday night!😊 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RLS1 Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 1 hour ago, TigerFan20 said: No, they will be back in 2023, unless they win their sectional and regional in 2022 So they will be in a different success cycle than Cathedral who would move up for 2022 and 2023? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerFan20 Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 (edited) 4 minutes ago, RLS1 said: So they will be in a different success cycle than Cathedral who would move up for 2022 and 2023? Well, since last year never counted, the new 2 year cycle will begin in Summer 2022 supposedly. I need to look more into this, since not counting last year screwed up a lot of things Here on the SF details https://www.ihsaa.org/Portals/0/ihsaa/documents/Tournament Success Factor/Tournament Success Factor Provisions.pdf Edited November 9, 2021 by TigerFan20 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RLS1 Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 10 minutes ago, TigerFan20 said: Well, since last year never counted, the new 2 year cycle will begin in Summer 2022 supposedly. I need to look more into this, since not counting last year screwed up a lot of things Here on the SF details https://www.ihsaa.org/Portals/0/ihsaa/documents/Tournament Success Factor/Tournament Success Factor Provisions.pdf Thanks you can see I am confused about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerFan20 Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 5 minutes ago, RLS1 said: Thanks you can see I am confused about it. Here is some more stuff on classifications too https://www.ihsaa.org/Portals/0/ihsaa/documents/Tournament Success Factor/Football Success Totals 2019-20 2020-21.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave007 Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 If we plow through remainder of playoffs with sizeable win margin I will be very disappointed if Cathedral brass does not lobby/petition IHSSA to move to 6A in fall 2022. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sports Freak20 Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 1 hour ago, TigerFan20 said: Well, since last year never counted, the new 2 year cycle will begin in Summer 2022 supposedly. I need to look more into this, since not counting last year screwed up a lot of things Here on the SF details https://www.ihsaa.org/Portals/0/ihsaa/documents/Tournament Success Factor/Tournament Success Factor Provisions.pdf I am confused also....since last year didn't count, Cathedral wont move up next year unless they lobby to move up. Is that accurate? That was my understanding since last year didn't count. Again, I am confused and could be easily be wrong. Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerFan20 Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Sports Freak20 said: I am confused also....since last year didn't count, Cathedral wont move up next year unless they lobby to move up. Is that accurate? That was my understanding since last year didn't count. Again, I am confused and could be easily be wrong. Thanks. Maybe? Our girls soccer team last year was in 3A, but they got moved back down this year. I’m not the expert when it comes to the SF, maybe Cathedral stays in 5A dude to enrollment Edited November 9, 2021 by TigerFan20 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sports Freak20 Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 3 minutes ago, TigerFan20 said: Maybe? Our girls soccer team last year was in 3A, but they got moved back down this year. I’m not the expert when it comes to the SF, maybe Cathedral stays in 5A dude to enrollment Thanks....good luck against EC. Should be a good one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave007 Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 26 minutes ago, Sports Freak20 said: I am confused also....since last year didn't count, Cathedral wont move up next year unless they lobby to move up. Is that accurate? That was my understanding since last year didn't count. Again, I am confused and could be easily be wrong. Thanks. That is correct, and in one of the messages above there is a link which confirms that (i.e. Cathedral stays in 5A 2021-2022 seasons, and next fall will be 2022 season). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerFan20 Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 39 minutes ago, Sports Freak20 said: Thanks....good luck against EC. Should be a good one. Thank you! Going to be a packed house in Enlow! And good luck against New Palestine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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