dmizers3 Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 On 11/28/2021 at 3:33 PM, temptation said: Should career numbers be considered since it’s a senior only award? Legitimately asking. Absolutely not. It's a single season award. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grover Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 2 hours ago, Bash Riprock said: You are comparing tackles for an unblocked safety to a DL on a 3 man front that gets double team every time? Is it just that simple for you? To some folks its all about stats. Nothing else matters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grover Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 6 hours ago, Screagle said: JMO. Mr Football should be a player with multiple years of post season success. If it’s just senior season Allen has got to be 1 or 2. Why does postseason success matter? That is a team accomplishment. Look at the LB for Bloomington South. McCullough? He's an incredible talent but will likely never have a successful postseason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donnie Baker Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 6 hours ago, Screagle said: JMO. Mr Football should be a player with multiple years of post season success. If it’s just senior season Allen has got to be 1 or 2. Good thing you’re not a voter, I swear to God it is! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Screagle Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 Postseason success matters IMO. If Allen doesn’t showcase his talents on biggest stage he’s not top 3 in voting this year. The state game now has him as the favorite. Believe what you want Donnie Baker, I swear to god ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grover Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 I'm not saying it doesn't matter. I'm saying it shouldn't matter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DumfriesYMCA Posted November 30, 2021 Author Share Posted November 30, 2021 24 minutes ago, Grover said: I'm not saying it doesn't matter. I'm saying it shouldn't matter. Historically speaking there have been a few who didn’t make it to state yet won the award. Believe the 2 recent ones are both from Columbus East Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hhpatriot04 Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 As it is a yearly award, the primary measurement should be the current season. Stats diminish with smaller schools -- just the way it is. If I voted, I would just be trying to answer: "Who performed the best in Indiana this season?" Everything else is secondary: team success, career stats, school size, quality of collegiate offers -- even current year stats have to be weighted for SoS, position, type of offense/defense, participation (a player on a team that has put a running clock on, for example 10 teams, won't have the same opportunities to post stats as a four-quarter player). Are only seniors eligible, and if not, has a non-senior ever won the award? I would also propose that a Mr. Football Offense and Mr. Football Defense be awarded, as it is too difficult to draw comparisons between both sides of the ball. Brady Allen of Gibson Southern would have my vote — and I'm no Gibson Southern nor Purdue fan. We are splitting hairs, but put him on Mount Vernon, Cathedral, or Center Grove, and his numbers would be just as good if not better -- with more snaps, more media coverage, and (no offense to GS) but a better surrounding cast... although he might want to take one receiver with him, Heltsley. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hhpatriot04 Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 I didn't see this list posted, and I think it should be helpful: At a glance since 2000, the only "small school" winners have been: - Wodicka, West Lafayette, 2009 - Smith, Luers, 2012 - Kiser, Pioneer, 2018 McIntosh, Reitz, 2007, has been the only winner truly from "southern Indiana." The others like Bloomington/Columbus, I'd say most southerners consider to be central Indiana as you aren't receiving news coverage from Evansville or Louisville. Also, I'd argue that Cutler from HH in 2000 (or Schiff from Mater Dei) would've been a better choice than Shannon --Cutler ran, threw, caught, returned punts/kicks, I believe he holds the 3A State Finals tackle record. He had an injured ankle in semi-state and state and debatably lost a scholarship because of it; although, Vanderbilt turned out to be great. Year Player High School College NFL Draft 1992 Alex Smith, RB[2] Franklin County Indiana 1993 Bo Barzilauskas, OL/DL Bloomington South Indiana 1994 Josh Martini, RB East Central United States Marine Corps 1995 Earl Haniford, QB Martinsville Indiana 1996 Israel Thompson, RB Martinsville Ball State 1997 DuJuan Daniels, RB Bishop Chatard Boston College 1998 Rex Grossman, QB Bloomington South Florida 2003 NFL Draft: 1st round, 22nd overall by the Chicago Bears 1999 Derrick Ellis, RB Indianapolis Arlington 2000 Otis Shannon, RB Indianapolis Cathedral Harper College 2001 James Banks, QB/DB[3] Ben Davis Tennessee Carson–Newman 2002 Clayton Richard, QB McCutcheon Michigan 2003 Desmond Tardy, QB Warren Central Purdue 2004 Jason Werner, WR/S Roncalli Purdue 2005 Dexter Taylor, QB Warren Central Tulsa Western Kentucky Marian 2006 Darren Evans, RB Warren Central Virginia Tech 2007 Paul McIntosh, QB Evansville Reitz Army Southern Illinois 2008 Morgan Newton, QB Carmel Kentucky 2009 Daniel Wodicka, QB[4] West Lafayette Johns Hopkins University 2010 Tre Roberson, QB[5] Lawrence Central Indiana Illinois State 2011 Gunner Kiel, QB Columbus East Notre Dame Cincinnati 2012 Jaylon Smith, RB/LB[1] Bishop Luers Notre Dame 2016 NFL Draft: 2nd round, 34th overall by the Dallas Cowboys 2013 Terry McLaurin, WR[6] Cathedral Ohio State 2019 NFL Draft: 3rd round, 76th overall by the Washington Redskins 2014 Markell Jones, RB[7] Columbus East Purdue 2015 Brandon Peters, QB[8] Avon Michigan Illinois 2016 Hunter Johnson, QB[9] Brownsburg Clemson Northwestern 2017 Reese Taylor, QB[10] Ben Davis Indiana 2018 Jack Kiser, QB[11] Pioneer Notre Dame 2019 Charlie Spegal, RB[12] New Palestine Indiana 2020 Carson Steele, RB[13] Center Grove Ball State Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footballking16 Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 2 hours ago, hhpatriot04 said: I didn't see this list posted, and I think it should be helpful: At a glance since 2000, the only "small school" winners have been: - Wodicka, West Lafayette, 2009 - Smith, Luers, 2012 - Kiser, Pioneer, 2018 McIntosh, Reitz, 2007, has been the only winner truly from "southern Indiana." The others like Bloomington/Columbus, I'd say most southerners consider to be central Indiana as you aren't receiving news coverage from Evansville or Louisville. Also, I'd argue that Cutler from HH in 2000 (or Schiff from Mater Dei) would've been a better choice than Shannon --Cutler ran, threw, caught, returned punts/kicks, I believe he holds the 3A State Finals tackle record. He had an injured ankle in semi-state and state and debatably lost a scholarship because of it; although, Vanderbilt turned out to be great. Year Player High School College NFL Draft 1992 Alex Smith, RB[2] Franklin County Indiana 1993 Bo Barzilauskas, OL/DL Bloomington South Indiana 1994 Josh Martini, RB East Central United States Marine Corps 1995 Earl Haniford, QB Martinsville Indiana 1996 Israel Thompson, RB Martinsville Ball State 1997 DuJuan Daniels, RB Bishop Chatard Boston College 1998 Rex Grossman, QB Bloomington South Florida 2003 NFL Draft: 1st round, 22nd overall by the Chicago Bears 1999 Derrick Ellis, RB Indianapolis Arlington 2000 Otis Shannon, RB Indianapolis Cathedral Harper College 2001 James Banks, QB/DB[3] Ben Davis Tennessee Carson–Newman 2002 Clayton Richard, QB McCutcheon Michigan 2003 Desmond Tardy, QB Warren Central Purdue 2004 Jason Werner, WR/S Roncalli Purdue 2005 Dexter Taylor, QB Warren Central Tulsa Western Kentucky Marian 2006 Darren Evans, RB Warren Central Virginia Tech 2007 Paul McIntosh, QB Evansville Reitz Army Southern Illinois 2008 Morgan Newton, QB Carmel Kentucky 2009 Daniel Wodicka, QB[4] West Lafayette Johns Hopkins University 2010 Tre Roberson, QB[5] Lawrence Central Indiana Illinois State 2011 Gunner Kiel, QB Columbus East Notre Dame Cincinnati 2012 Jaylon Smith, RB/LB[1] Bishop Luers Notre Dame 2016 NFL Draft: 2nd round, 34th overall by the Dallas Cowboys 2013 Terry McLaurin, WR[6] Cathedral Ohio State 2019 NFL Draft: 3rd round, 76th overall by the Washington Redskins 2014 Markell Jones, RB[7] Columbus East Purdue 2015 Brandon Peters, QB[8] Avon Michigan Illinois 2016 Hunter Johnson, QB[9] Brownsburg Clemson Northwestern 2017 Reese Taylor, QB[10] Ben Davis Indiana 2018 Jack Kiser, QB[11] Pioneer Notre Dame 2019 Charlie Spegal, RB[12] New Palestine Indiana 2020 Carson Steele, RB[13] Center Grove Ball State I thought Schiff was a year or two younger than Shannon/Cutler? Guess I didn't realize Shannon and Cutler were same grade. Shannon did break the rushing record in his senior season but was also upset by Plainfield in the sectional. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DumfriesYMCA Posted November 30, 2021 Author Share Posted November 30, 2021 Brady Allen was just named as the Maxpreps Indiana player of the year This is what they wrote 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eschnur66 Posted December 1, 2021 Share Posted December 1, 2021 On 11/30/2021 at 8:08 AM, Footballking16 said: I thought Schiff was a year or two younger than Shannon/Cutler? Guess I didn't realize Shannon and Cutler were same grade. Shannon did break the rushing record in his senior season but was also upset by Plainfield in the sectional. Schiff was two years younger than Cutler. Cutler was 2000, Schiff was 2002. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FastpacedO Posted December 1, 2021 Share Posted December 1, 2021 On 11/30/2021 at 9:08 AM, Footballking16 said: I thought Schiff was a year or two younger than Shannon/Cutler? Guess I didn't realize Shannon and Cutler were same grade. Shannon did break the rushing record in his senior season but was also upset by Plainfield in the sectional. Yes Shannon broke the record against Avon in Sectional Round 1. Shannon was not a 1 trick pony either he was a tremendous RB that could catch the ball out of the backfield. Also played defense as DB unless they didn't need him to. He also returned punts and kicks as well. I believe he was a QB in middle school, he definitely hit a big time pass play on a half back pass against Goshen in the 1999 State Championship game. Remember that play very well and was perfectly timed play call by then HC Streiff as everyone expected Shannon to be running the ball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DumfriesYMCA Posted December 1, 2021 Author Share Posted December 1, 2021 On 11/28/2021 at 4:04 PM, Whiting89 said: he isn’t even the best qb in the state their schedule is trash I’d take curry or Jackson over him, they proved it every week against superior competition https://247sports.com/Season/2022-Football/RecruitRankings/?State=IN Well that didn’t take long 😂 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staxawax Posted December 1, 2021 Share Posted December 1, 2021 2 hours ago, DumfriesYMCA said: Well that didn’t take long 😂 I think both excel at their craft. Jackson was hardly needed to pass but he’s obviously very good. I think Allen has a better chance at making a splash at Purdue than Jackson does at Tennessee. Just my opinion. I’m guessing Tennessee recruited some other QB’s and there will be stiff competition. Don’t know who Purdue recruited but it looks like Allen could be a red-shirt freshman then a 4-year starter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Screagle Posted December 1, 2021 Share Posted December 1, 2021 Rarely do QBs not redshirt at that level. Brady’s work ethic will have him in the hunt by year 2. Regardless of talent it’s a huge learning curve. Purdue is bringing in a really talented kid in the 22 class. Teams like Purdue will continue to recruit the best they can get at QB regardless of who’s in the QB room. I think Brady’s work ethic wins but there will be top notch comp every year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DumfriesYMCA Posted December 1, 2021 Author Share Posted December 1, 2021 19 minutes ago, Staxawax said: I think both excel at their craft. Jackson was hardly needed to pass but he’s obviously very good. I think Allen has a better chance at making a splash at Purdue than Jackson does at Tennessee. Just my opinion. I’m guessing Tennessee recruited some other QB’s and there will be stiff competition. Don’t know who Purdue recruited but it looks like Allen could be a red-shirt freshman then a 4-year starter. I’m only poking at whiting for basing “who is the best” on what the rankings are. idk TN situation much but the fact that they weren’t even a consideration really for Arch Manning was surprising to me. as for Purdue….it depends on O’Connell. If he declares for the draft…let’s just say Brady will have every chance and then some to be a day 1 starter. From my point of view, it looks like the Red Sea is parting/all the stars are aligning…and with how college coaching is….that may be on purpose Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footballking16 Posted December 1, 2021 Share Posted December 1, 2021 1 hour ago, DumfriesYMCA said: I’m only poking at whiting for basing “who is the best” on what the rankings are. idk TN situation much but the fact that they weren’t even a consideration really for Arch Manning was surprising to me. as for Purdue….it depends on O’Connell. If he declares for the draft…let’s just say Brady will have every chance and then some to be a day 1 starter. From my point of view, it looks like the Red Sea is parting/all the stars are aligning…and with how college coaching is….that may be on purpose I can’t envision a scenario where Allen starts as a true freshman even if O’Connell leaves unless it’s out of necessity due to injury. Plummer putting his name in the portal likely signals O’Connell is back, but Allen starting as a true freshman is more than likely an indictment on Brohm not being able to develop or groom a QB in his younger classes. Brady will get his shot and should have multiple years to prove himself, I just don’t see next year being it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whiting89 Posted December 1, 2021 Share Posted December 1, 2021 4 hours ago, DumfriesYMCA said: Well that didn’t take long 😂 Congrats well deserved Purdue is my secondary big ten team after Illinois so I’m pumped for his arrival Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grover Posted December 1, 2021 Share Posted December 1, 2021 Spencer Rattler supposedly has Tennessee on his short list so that could be some intense competition for Tayven right out of the gate. 'Course that's assuming Heupel stays in Knoxville. Some rumors have him sniffing around the Oklahoma job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DumfriesYMCA Posted December 1, 2021 Author Share Posted December 1, 2021 13 minutes ago, Grover said: Spencer Rattler supposedly has Tennessee on his short list so that could be some intense competition for Tayven right out of the gate. 'Course that's assuming Heupel stays in Knoxville. Some rumors have him sniffing around the Oklahoma job. Nahh Jackson a way better teammate than rattler already. Rattler has had some unsavory videos come out from his time in High school. One of them just belittling one of the other QBs on the team and nearly bringing the kid to tears. just my opinion but I hope rattler doesn’t find a new school until he finds a way to fix his mindset. He’s a me first player and while he has talent out of this world and that talent is worthy of being a top 5 NFL pick….he has abysmal leadership skills and to me only viewed college as something he HAS TO DO to play on Sundays…opposed to something that he GETS TO DO. kid needs an entirely new mindset….a good example to the younger players of why it’s important to be a good leader and good teammate…talent isn’t everything Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grover Posted December 1, 2021 Share Posted December 1, 2021 Interesting. I've known Tayven since he played flags as a kindergartner I believe. He's an incredibly nice kid who has more charisma in his pinky than I have in my whole body so I think he will relish the limelight. His skills are off the chart. It's going to be fun to watch him compete. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Screagle Posted December 1, 2021 Share Posted December 1, 2021 5 hours ago, DumfriesYMCA said: Well that didn’t take long 😂 The Rickie Collins kid coming in class of 23 to Purdue is a nice QB. Allen with the Collins kid in back to back classes is big for Purdue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DumfriesYMCA Posted December 2, 2021 Author Share Posted December 2, 2021 Brady Allen was named as a Semi-Finalist for the Maxwell award. One of 16 in the nation. Not sure he can win this award but he is in elite company as a semi finalist joining 6 other QBs including the QBs committed to Georgia/Clemson/TAMU/Penn State. Pretty incredible that he has a chance to win this award. The other players on this list are at the very top of the 2022 class. Congrats to Brady on being nominated for this! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Titan32 Posted December 2, 2021 Share Posted December 2, 2021 https://www.indystar.com/story/sports/high-school/2021/12/02/2021-indiana-mr-football-race-heats-ihsaa-state-finals-brady-allen-caden-curry-micah-hauser-tayven/8796027002/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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