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3 hours ago, HHF said:

I dont see the Duneland reaching out and saving the 3 Lafayette nomads.  A better option is for Lafayette to create its own city based conference with its core 5 schools and invite 3 more to join.  Those 3 would be Kokomo, Logansport and Lebanon.

Harrison

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Kokomo

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This is a huge jump in overall football competition for all schools and a massive reduction in travel.  

 

For those who might feel that this is too much for LCC, 2A Luers competes in The SAC with 6A schools.  2A Mater Dei competes in the SIAC with 5A schools, and 3A Marian and St Joe compete in the NIC with mega 3000 plus enrollment 6A schools.  

 

I like the idea, I just don’t think there is any way it will happen (just like my suggestion that the 3 Tippecanoe County schools would fit nicely in the Duneland).  Kokomo will never leave the NCC.  Logansport is only slightly more likely than Kokomo to ever leave the NCC.  Lebanon’s growth has not happened the way some thought it would and they have stayed in the range of 1000 students for quite a few years (940 in 2000, 1017 in 2020).  Frankfort and Lebanon are both unlikely to consider leaving the Sagamore and would improve the level of competition for the Tippecanoe County schools compared to the NCC.  I think LCC would be reluctant to take their lumps from the bigger schools all season because it could jeopardize their post-season runs.  Keeping the status quo is the easiest choice for these schools (and AD’s).

I like the schedule flexibility of 6 or 7 team conferences.  AD’s don’t like it because it forces them to fill dates in schedules that aren’t guaranteed with conference games (especially in football).  8 team conferences have been the goal for many, and I can understand why.  Getting back to the main topic of the MIC, if I were those 6 schools I wouldn’t be in a rush to fill the void left by Carmel and Center Grove.

 

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2 minutes ago, HoopsCoach said:

I like the idea, I just don’t think there is any way it will happen (just like my suggestion that the 3 Tippecanoe County schools would fit nicely in the Duneland).  Kokomo will never leave the NCC.  Logansport is only slightly more likely than Kokomo to ever leave the NCC.  Lebanon’s growth has not happened the way some thought it would and they have stayed in the range of 1000 students for quite a few years (940 in 2000, 1017 in 2020).  Frankfort and Lebanon are both unlikely to consider leaving the Sagamore and would improve the level of competition for the Tippecanoe County schools compared to the NCC.  I think LCC would be reluctant to take their lumps from the bigger schools all season because it could jeopardize their post-season runs.  Keeping the status quo is the easiest choice for these schools (and AD’s).

I like the schedule flexibility of 6 or 7 team conferences.  AD’s don’t like it because it forces them to fill dates in schedules that aren’t guaranteed with conference games (especially in football).  8 team conferences have been the goal for many, and I can understand why.  Getting back to the main topic of the MIC, if I were those 6 schools I wouldn’t be in a rush to fill the void left by Carmel and Center Grove.

 

Didnt they say that about New Castle?

Kokomo appears to be all in on football and unless they have a lifetime contract to remain in the NCC, all options are on the board, especially now given that the CG/CA MIC departures are likely to force moves in other conferences.  

 

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52 minutes ago, HHF said:

Same thing is happening in Griffith, which has killed the Panther football program

Griffith is unrecognizable from when I graduated.  Pointless to follow them any more.  Talk about a proud program disappearing into oblivion.

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18 minutes ago, HHF said:

Didnt they say that about New Castle?

Kokomo appears to be all in on football and unless they have a lifetime contract to remain in the NCC, all options are on the board, especially now given that the CG/CA MIC departures are likely to force moves in other conferences.  

 

True that many New Castle faithful said for many years that they would never leave the NCC.  It may just be my perception from being at Kokomo, but I felt like any administrator or AD to suggest leaving the conference would be immediately escorted out by the arms.

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3 minutes ago, HoopsCoach said:

True that many New Castle faithful said for many years that they would never leave the NCC.  It may just be my perception from being at Kokomo, but I felt like any administrator or AD to suggest leaving the conference would be immediately escorted out by the arms.

I really like what Austin Colby is doing over there.  With Jeff, Harrison, Mac, Logan and Marion, theyve got 5 pretty good opponents on the schedule every year.  They should be reaching out to the PPs in Indy for non con games and some MIC slots should open as well if MIC holds at 6 schools

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2 minutes ago, HoopsCoach said:

True that many New Castle faithful said for many years that they would never leave the NCC.  It may just be my perception from being at Kokomo, but I felt like any administrator or AD to suggest leaving the conference would be immediately escorted out by the arms.

Why though? Outside of Jeff, Harrison and Kokomo the NCC is full of 4a and 5a cupcakes who have been stuck at the bottom of their class for 10+ years. The NCC is an overall weak conference in all sports, not just football.

Not to mention Harrison and Jeff are probably 2 steps ahead of Kokomo at this point. If Kokomo landed an opportunity to be in a package deal with them, they should jump all over that

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4 minutes ago, Bears62 said:

Why though? Outside of Jeff, Harrison and Kokomo the NCC is full of 4a and 5a cupcakes who have been stuck at the bottom of their class for 10+ years. The NCC is an overall weak conference in all sports, not just football.

Not to mention Harrison and Jeff are probably 2 steps ahead of Kokomo at this point. If Kokomo landed an opportunity to be in a package deal with them, they should jump all over that

The NCC is living off the reputation it cultivated 50 years ago when Indiana high school basketgball gyms were filled with 8000 fans.  There is no conference anywhere that is revered and loved like the NCC.  But those halcyon days died decades ago.  New Castle finally came to that conclusion when they bolted for the Hoosier Heritage.  Kokomo has the potential to be a real powerful 5A program.  They had 4 throwaway games on their schedule this year (Western/Plymouth/SB Wash/Indy Tech) Thats too many gimmees   2 is more than enough.  

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20 minutes ago, HoopsCoach said:

True that many New Castle faithful said for many years that they would never leave the NCC.  It may just be my perception from being at Kokomo, but I felt like any administrator or AD to suggest leaving the conference would be immediately escorted out by the arms.

Agreed.

 

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3 minutes ago, HHF said:

New Castle finally came to that conclusion when they bolted for the Hoosier Heritage. 

Because their enrollment dropped to 3A levels in only like a decade.  Same reason Frankfort wouldn't join a conference with the likes of Kokomo and the Lafayette/Tippecanoe county schools.  

 

5 minutes ago, HHF said:

Kokomo has the potential to be a real powerful 5A program.  

Unfortunately Kokomo has a real growing problem with drugs and related violence.  It's not the town it used to be.

 

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1 minute ago, Muda69 said:

Because their enrollment dropped to 3A levels in only like a decade.  Same reason Frankfort wouldn't join a conference with the likes of Kokomo and the Lafayette/Tippecanoe county schools.  

 

Unfortunately Kokomo has a real growing problem with drugs and related violence.  It's not the town it used to be.

 

Its also loaded with athletes.  Colby is the right guy to identify and harness all that talent.  

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From all the people I have spoken with and heard from, there are more schools that do not want to vote Carmel & CG in than ones who do. However, those schools are nervous about not letting them in because of a new conference that will be created by Carmel & CG. There are at least 2 or 3 HCC schools who would most likely leave to join this new conference. This would then break up the true HCC. 

With this being said, if I was someone in charge of a HCC school, I would vote to put them in. Financially it just makes too much sense. I would be nervous about the potential HCC break up.

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