BTF Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 Carmel 5600..................maybe they should consider the Crossroads League. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoopsCoach Posted January 21, 2022 Author Share Posted January 21, 2022 1 hour ago, NLCTigerFan07 said: The issue in 6A North with Cathedral in 6A is at least two teams between Zionsville, Westfield, Noblesville, Fishers, HSE and Carmel will HAVE to go to sectionals 1-3 somewhere. There are only 10 schools north of those schools, so 2 will have to go that way for their sectionals. My best guess is the "northern" most of that grouping is Noblesville and Westfield. Noblesville has been in a sectional with Fort Wayne schools in the past, so that makes sense for them to definitely be 1 of the schools heading WAY north. Westfield having to go a long way up Highway 31 to be included in Sectional 3 seems crazy, but the only other logical option would be to send Zionsville up Highway 65 with Laf Jeff and 2 region schools. 2 options as I see it: Sectional 1: Crown Point, Lafayette Jeff, Lake Central, Portage Sectional 2: Elkhart, Penn, Warsaw, Westfield Sectional 3: Carroll (FW), Homestead, Noblesville, Northrop Sectional 4: Carmel, Fishers, Hamilton SE, Zionsville Sectional 1: Crown Point, Lafayette Jeff, Lake Central, Zionvsille Sectional 2: Elkhart, Penn, Portage, Warsaw Sectional 3: Carroll (FW), Homestead, Noblesville, Northrop Sectional 4: Carmel, Fishers, Hamilton SE, Westfield Anything different than either of these two options would come from breaking up schools that normally the IHSAA has not done in the past. Something crazy like this could work, but doesn't seem likely Sectional 1: Crown Point, Lake Central, Penn, Portage Sectional 2: Elkhart, Lafayette Jeff, Northrop, Warsaw Sectional 3: Carroll (FW), Fishers, Hamilton SE, Homestead Sectional 4: Carmel, Noblesville, Westfield, Zionsville See what I mean? That's just really messy. I think they obviously keep these "pods" together when it comes to the North Lake Central and Crown Point (2) Penn and Elkhart (2) Carroll, Homestead and Northrop (3) Fishers and HSE (2) That's 9 of 16 6A North schools that I feel like the IHSAA always trieds to keep together. Another random options could be: Sectional 1: Crown Point, Lake Central, Penn, Portage Sectional 2: Elkhart, Carroll (FW), Homestead, Northrop Sectional 3: Lafayette Jeff, Noblesville, Warsaw, Westfield Sectional 4: Carmel, Fishers, Hamilton SE, Zionsville I think Cathedral is in 6A if the IHSAA realigns this spring for the 22-23 and 23-24 cycle. Wouldn’t be surprised if they take the cowardly stance of saying let’s go 1 more year with frozen enrollments. Here’s what I see for 6A: Sectional 1: Lake Central, Crown Point, Portage, Lafayette Jeff Sectional 2: Penn, Elkhart, Warsaw, Homestead Sectional 3: Carroll, FW Northrop, Hamilton Southeastern, Fishers Sectional 4: Noblesville, Carmel, Westfield, Zionsville Sectional 5: Cathedral, Lawrence Central, Lawrence North, North Central Sectional 6: Avon, Ben Davis, Brownsburg, Pike Sectional 7: Perry Meridian, Southport, Arsenal Tech, Warren Central Sectional 8: Center Grove, Columbus North, Franklin Central, Jeffersonville 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warren Central Warrior Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 Warren Central being stuck in Sectional 7 worries me 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NLCTigerFan07 Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 17 minutes ago, HoopsCoach said: I think Cathedral is in 6A if the IHSAA realigns this spring for the 22-23 and 23-24 cycle. Wouldn’t be surprised if they take the cowardly stance of saying let’s go 1 more year with frozen enrollments. Here’s what I see for 6A: Sectional 1: Lake Central, Crown Point, Portage, Lafayette Jeff Sectional 2: Penn, Elkhart, Warsaw, Homestead Sectional 3: Carroll, FW Northrop, Hamilton Southeastern, Fishers I would switch Carroll and Homestead in this scenario. Carroll is more NE of Fort Wayne and could hope on US 33 to Elkhart faster, and Homestead is closer to I-69 to head south. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muda69 Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 Quote Clinton Central 252 Wow. Never thought I would see the day where Clinton Central was smaller than Lafayette Central Catholic. Bulldog nation is slowly dying. It looks like a consolidation is real possibility in the near future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoopsCoach Posted January 21, 2022 Author Share Posted January 21, 2022 17 hours ago, HoopsCoach said: One correction to make - I didn’t have Christel House Manual in my first post. I also added enrollment rank. 305 Indianapolis Manual 225 I still messed this up. Added Christel House and didn’t take out Indy Manual. There should be 316 schools. 32 in 5A and 6A. Probably 63 in each class for 1A-4A. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DE Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 2 hours ago, Warren Central Warrior said: Warren Central being stuck in Sectional 7 worries me Do tell. Inquiring minds would like to know. Please and thank you. 🙂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BDGiant93 Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 18 hours ago, HoopsCoach said: Purdue Poly is on the east side of downtown Indy on Washington Street. They probably have quite a few students from the former Indianapolis Howe that didn’t want to go to Arsenal Tech after Howe closed. If the Howe campus is available it would make a lot of sense to move this school there. Purdue has invested a lot of money in the building where they are. Not sure how that might factor moving to Irvington. 2 hours ago, HoopsCoach said: I think Cathedral is in 6A if the IHSAA realigns this spring for the 22-23 and 23-24 cycle. Wouldn’t be surprised if they take the cowardly stance of saying let’s go 1 more year with frozen enrollments. Here’s what I see for 6A: Sectional 1: Lake Central, Crown Point, Portage, Lafayette Jeff Sectional 2: Penn, Elkhart, Warsaw, Homestead Sectional 3: Carroll, FW Northrop, Hamilton Southeastern, Fishers Sectional 4: Noblesville, Carmel, Westfield, Zionsville Sectional 5: Cathedral, Lawrence Central, Lawrence North, North Central Sectional 6: Avon, Ben Davis, Brownsburg, Pike Sectional 7: Perry Meridian, Southport, Arsenal Tech, Warren Central Sectional 8: Center Grove, Columbus North, Franklin Central, Jeffersonville Makes a lot of sense. That means that they'll probably put Ben Davis in with Sectional 8 and Center Grove in Sectional 6. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NLCTigerFan07 Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 34 minutes ago, BDGiant93 said: Makes a lot of sense. That means that they'll probably put Ben Davis in with Sectional 8 and Center Grove in Sectional 6. You're joking right? There's no reason why the IHSAA would put Ben Dvais in Sectional 8 and move Center Grove to Sectoinal 6 unless I'm completely missing something here. Sorry if I am. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoopsCoach Posted January 22, 2022 Author Share Posted January 22, 2022 2 hours ago, NLCTigerFan07 said: You're joking right? There's no reason why the IHSAA would put Ben Dvais in Sectional 8 and move Center Grove to Sectoinal 6 unless I'm completely missing something here. Sorry if I am. IHSAA just rubber stamps the recommendations of the alignment committees. The committees are usually made up of AD’s or administrators from schools in that class, so all it would take is one person on the alignment committee that doesn’t want Ben Davis in their path. If, for example, a Warren Central admin is on the 6A committee and decides they don’t want to play both BD and CG in the tournament, putting them in the same sectional solves that problem. And don’t think it hasn’t happened. It does in almost every alignment cycle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
temptation Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 2 hours ago, NLCTigerFan07 said: You're joking right? There's no reason why the IHSAA would put Ben Dvais in Sectional 8 and move Center Grove to Sectoinal 6 unless I'm completely missing something here. Sorry if I am. I think he was being sarcastic. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foxbat Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 39 minutes ago, HoopsCoach said: IHSAA just rubber stamps the recommendations of the alignment committees. The committees are usually made up of AD’s or administrators from schools in that class, so all it would take is one person on the alignment committee that doesn’t want Ben Davis in their path. If, for example, a Warren Central admin is on the 6A committee and decides they don’t want to play both BD and CG in the tournament, putting them in the same sectional solves that problem. And don’t think it hasn’t happened. It does in almost every alignment cycle. Sectional of Death comes to mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lysander Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 23 hours ago, oldtimeqb said: That puts them solidly as a 4A school. Any question as to which sectional they will be put in @Lysander? Oh….I have a pretty fair guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ugminer Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 On 1/20/2022 at 8:41 PM, HoopsCoach said: Dugger Union will become tourney eligible in 22-23, and Purdue Polytechnic will become tourney eligible in 23-24, so they are both included. What sucks is Dugger probably wont even have enough kids to play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trojanmp52 Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 If I am wrong please some one tell me. These are the numbers for 9thru12 of this year? If so I do not understand why they would count the seniors class. For the ishaa to assign rankings for what level the school is at for each sport. Would it not make more since to go 8true11 to get the numbers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frozen Tundra Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 24 minutes ago, Trojanmp52 said: If I am wrong please some one tell me. These are the numbers for 9thru12 of this year? If so I do not understand why they would count the seniors class. For the ishaa to assign rankings for what level the school is at for each sport. Would it not make more since to go 8true11 to get the numbers Doesn’t work when you have open enrollment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trojanmp52 Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 50 minutes ago, Frozen Tundra said: Doesn’t work when you have open enrollment. I do understand open enrollment changes some stuff a little but I would say that 98% of most kids will go to the high school that is the same system as the middle school Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frozen Tundra Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 29 minutes ago, Trojanmp52 said: I do understand open enrollment changes some stuff a little but I would say that 98% of most kids will go to the high school that is the same system as the middle school Yeah but take Columbus for example. There are two middle schools (Central and Northside). Neither of them are assigned to a particular high school. Most kids that attend Northside go to Columbus North but not all do. Just like most kids that go to Central go to Columbus East but not all do. Add in St. Peter’s Lutheran and St. Bartholomew Catholic which are K-8. Neither of them are assigned to a particular high school. So that’s where issues arise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trojanmp52 Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 5 hours ago, Frozen Tundra said: Yeah but take Columbus for example. There are two middle schools (Central and Northside). Neither of them are assigned to a particular high school. Most kids that attend Northside go to Columbus North but not all do. Just like most kids that go to Central go to Columbus East but not all do. Add in St. Peter’s Lutheran and St. Bartholomew Catholic which are K-8. Neither of them are assigned to a particular high school. So that’s where issues arise. Good points I did not that their was Public middles school that did not have set high school they feed into Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coach_schreibjr Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 On 1/20/2022 at 7:41 PM, HoopsCoach said: Finally released by the DOE. Schools with an * do not report enrollments to the DOE, so their numbers are just what the IHSAA has in their directory and may not be current. Enrollments only include students in grades 9-12. Probably not perfect, but it should give an idea what the next alignment would be based off of. Dugger Union will become tourney eligible in 22-23, and Purdue Polytechnic will become tourney eligible in 23-24, so they are both included. Carmel 5327 Ben Davis 4557 Warren Central 3845 North Central (Indpls.) 3709 Fishers 3611 Hamilton Southeastern 3430 Pike 3387 Penn 3345 Elkhart 3294 Avon 3248 Noblesville 3220 Lake Central 3211 Franklin Central 3206 Brownsburg 2983 Crown Point 2923 Lawrence North 2833 Center Grove 2754 Westfield 2611 Homestead 2502 Carroll (F.W.) 2472 Southport 2379 Perry Meridian 2373 Portage 2269 Lawrence Central 2245 Zionsville 2233 Columbus North 2219 Lafayette Jefferson 2153 Indianapolis Arsenal Tech 2111 Jeffersonville 2099 Warsaw 2087 Fort Wayne Northrop 2080 Harrison (West Lafayette) 2079 Valparaiso 2063 Whiteland 2012 Merrillville 2003 Decatur Central 2001 Chesterton 1995 Goshen 1980 Castle 1933 South Bend Adams 1917 Hammond Central 1904 Fort Wayne Snider 1872 Floyd Central 1854 Anderson 1837 Plainfield 1810 McCutcheon 1807 New Albany 1787 LaPorte 1756 Hammond Morton 1729 Concord 1689 Evansville North 1687 Bloomington South 1655 Terre Haute South 1650 Seymour 1604 Bloomington North 1592 Mishawaka 1584 Terre Haute North 1575 Franklin Community 1571 Munster 1568 Columbus East 1534 Michigan City 1526 Fort Wayne North Side 1513 Kokomo 1488 Greenfield-Central 1474 Huntington North 1442 Muncie Central 1437 Northridge 1410 Pendleton Heights 1409 Bedford-North Lawrence 1391 Mooresville 1391 Fort Wayne South Side 1385 Fort Wayne Wayne 1379 Mt Vernon (Fortville) 1375 Richmond 1315 Martinsville 1284 East Central 1264 Evansville Reitz 1264 Hobart 1264 Logansport 1252 Gary West Side 1226 Greenwood 1186 Jennings County 1180 New Palestine 1162 Indianapolis Crispus Attucks 1135 Shelbyville 1133 Evansville Harrison 1124 Columbia City 1108 East Chicago Central 1107 Indianapolis Roncalli 1081 DeKalb 1080 Plymouth 1079 Indianapolis Cathedral 1073 Lowell 1068 Kankakee Valley 1055 Evansville Central 1051 New Haven 1047 East Noble 1042 Jasper 1038 Marion 1036 South Bend Riley 1030 Highland 1021 Indianapolis Shortridge 1015 Lebanon 1001 New Prairie 985 Connersville 981 Beech Grove 968 Leo 963 Northview 955 Wawasee 945 Fort Wayne Bishop Dwenger 928 Silver Creek 911 Indianapolis Washington 906 Frankfort 893 Boonville 879 Northwood 879 New Castle 875 Jay County 871 Brebeuf Jesuit 841 Western 838 Culver Academies 832* Mississinewa 808 South Bend Saint Joseph 806 South Bend Washington 801 Edgewood 800 Angola 793 Norwell 790 Delta 781 South Bend Clay 778 Evansvill Bosse 776 Hanover Central 763 Yorktown 763 Danville 759 Franklin County 756 West Lafayette 752 Guerin Catholic 740 Washington 738 Madison 736 Hamilton Heights 731 Corydon Central 730 Vincennes Lincoln 722 Charlestown 717 Greensburg 716 Lawrenceburg 715 Scottsburg 715 Batesville 707 Gibson Southern 703 West Noble 698 Crawfordsville 695 Mishawaka Marian 690 South Dearborn 689 North Harrison 687 Indianapolis Bishop Chatard 667 Rushville 656 Twin Lakes 655 Owen Valley 650 Peru 650 Mt Vernon (Posey) 643 Bellmont 641 John Glenn 636 Tri-West 624 Calumet 622 Heritage 615 Heritage Hills 615 Fort Wayne Concordia 610 Griffith 609 Northwestern 605 Maconaquah 604 Garrett 602 Princeton 596 Indian Creek 591 Jimtown 582 Lakeland 578 Purdue Polytechnic (23-24) 563 Tippecanoe Valley 561 Evansville Memorial 556 Knox 551 North Montgomery 549 Fairfield 543 Speedway 543 Woodlan 538 Monrovia 531 Salem 531 Oak Hill 526 West Vigo 525 Centerville 517 Rensselaer Central 517 Boone Grove 516 Southridge 515 Pike Central 512 River Forest 511 Western Boone 511 South Vermillion 509 Benton Central 508 Frankton 507 Bremen 502 Indianapolis Cardinal Ritter 502 Brown County 501 Evansville Mater Dei 496 Heritage Christian 496 Cascade 495 Hammond Bishop Noll 493 Alexandria 492 Rochester 492 Blackford 489 Eastbrook 489 Southmont 487 Brownstown Central 483 Whiting 482 Fort Wayne Bishop Luers 481 Manchester 479 Lapel 477 Greencastle 475 Sullivan 472 Bluffton 471 Wabash 471 Triton Central 461 Eastern (Greentown) 455 Tipton 454 Mitchell 451 North Posey 445 North Putnam 444 Tell City 440 Indianapolis Scecina 439 Wheeler 436 Prairie Heights 432 Switzerland County 428 Northeastern 425 Eastern (Pekin) 419 Delphi 418 Central Noble 417 Whitko 417 Crawford County 415 Shenandoah 415 Lewis Cass 411 Elwood 410 Andrean 408 Winchester 405 Paoli 401 Churubusco 397 Clarksville 395 Union County 393 Perry Central 392 Lake Station Edison 388 LaVille 388 North Knox 388 Eastside 387 Seeger 387 Winamac 387 Linton-Stockton 386 Forest Park 383 Eastern Hancock 379 Park Tudor 378* South Spencer 375 Parke Heritage 368 Adams Central 366 South Putnam 359 North Newton 358 Clinton Prairie 353 Covenant Christian (Indpls.) 352 Madison-Grant 352 Taylor 352 Carroll (Flora) 337 South Adams 334 Hagerstown 332 Sheridan 329 Knightstown 328 Providence 327 North Judson 323 Eastern Greene 321 Monroe Central 320 Milan 318 Pioneer 313 South Central (Union Mills) 313 Cloverdale 312 Riverton Parke 311 North Decatur 301 Lafayette Central Catholic 296 Covington 294 Fremont 291 North Daviess 286 Wes-Del 286 Bowman Academy 285 North Miami 285 Tecumseh 283 Fountain Central 275 Northfield 273 Cambridge City Lincoln 272 North White 272 West Washington 268 Springs Valley 264 South Decatur 260 Triton 258 North Central (Farmersburg) 257 Culver 255 Clinton Central 252 Southern Wells 252 Union City 246 Anderson Prep Academy 241 Southwood 240 Caston 234 Tri 234 Tri Central 233 Edinburgh 227 Indianapolis Manual 225 South Newton 225 Indianapolis Lutheran 224 Indianapolis Tindley 219 Tri-County 218 North Vermillion 213 Frontier 196 West Central 196 Dugger Union 193 Rock Creek Academy 176 Attica 170 Traders Point Christian 124 Indiana Deaf 94* In my opinion, the most shocking and saddest of these enrollment numbers is Griffith High at 609. I'm not sure they've ever had that low of enrollment in recent history (2 or 3 decades). They've always hovered in the small 4A, big 3A range. For Griffith to be considered a small 3A is mind boggling for a guy from the region. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DumfriesYMCA Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 Are they going to split Carmel into 2 schools once they get to 6,000? I didn’t even realize they were over 5k Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarshallCounty Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 1 hour ago, DumfriesYMCA said: Are they going to split Carmel into 2 schools once they get to 6,000? I didn’t even realize they were over 5k No Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 1 hour ago, coach_schreibjr said: In my opinion, the most shocking and saddest of these enrollment numbers is Griffith High at 609. I'm not sure they've ever had that low of enrollment in recent history (2 or 3 decades). They've always hovered in the small 4A, big 3A range. For Griffith to be considered a small 3A is mind boggling for a guy from the region. Griffith was at 823 in the most recent IHSAA classification count. 609 represents a 26% drop in enrollment over a 2 to 3 year period. Probably only Indy Tech is close to that % of drop. For those who wish that Griffith would have never left the NCC for the GSSC, this is what the Griffith planners were anticipating when they made the move to downsize their athletic programs. https://www.ihsaa.org/Portals/0/ihsaa/documents/quick resources/Enrollments & Classifications/Enrollments 19202021.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NLCTigerFan07 Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 50 minutes ago, HHF said: For those who wish that Griffith would have never left the NCC for the GSSC, this is what the Griffith planners were anticipating when they made the move to downsize their athletic programs. If this has been expected for a little while now (enough so to move to a smaller conference) - what are the driving forces here? I realize Griffith is kind of landlocked surrounded by Merrillville, Munster, Highland and the Hammond schools, but at the same time, to me that would mean their enrollment would stay rather consistent? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 17 minutes ago, NLCTigerFan07 said: If this has been expected for a little while now (enough so to move to a smaller conference) - what are the driving forces here? I realize Griffith is kind of landlocked surrounded by Merrillville, Munster, Highland and the Hammond schools, but at the same time, to me that would mean their enrollment would stay rather consistent? White flight Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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