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15 hours ago, TrojanDad said:

Didn't cost you a dime Muda.  And it was put up to a vote by White River Township citizens.  Democracy at is finest.  As far as the price tag for the Student Activity Center, I am sure you can find that out via the use of your favorite search engine.

And the Student Activity Center that includes the weight room is not only used by sports, but by other academic competitions such as robotics, etc.  Additionally the community uses the facility.

Our youngest is graduating this year and we are soon to be empty nesters.  I will continue to vote yes on school improvements such as the SAC.  CG schools are the brand of this community and any investment there is a continued investment in our real estate.  So you ask about cost....what you should be asking is how much did us cost us as local taxpayers not to invest in our schools......

Also, you don't need to worry about academic space at CG....not a concern here.

https://www.centergrove.k12.in.us/activitycenter

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The nearly $10 million addition to CGHS adds 59,500 square feet of space to CGHS without increasing the tax rate for White River Township residents. 

lol, that "without increasing the tax rate" is another disingenuous line big government types love to use.  So they were getting close to paying off another taxpayer funded bond or series of bonds, but instead of doing the honest thing and letting the tax rate decrease they immediately started looking for another taxpayer funded boondoggle, one they could crow about not costing taxpayers "increased taxes".  Classic political malarkey, pure and simple.   I didn't know so many White River Township citizens were that gullible.

 

 

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2 hours ago, Muda69 said:

https://www.centergrove.k12.in.us/activitycenter

lol, that "without increasing the tax rate" is another disingenuous line big government types love to use.  So they were getting close to paying off another taxpayer funded bond or series of bonds, but instead of doing the honest thing and letting the tax rate decrease they immediately started looking for another taxpayer funded boondoggle, one they could crow about not costing taxpayers "increased taxes".  Classic political malarkey, pure and simple.   I didn't know so many White River Township citizens were that gullible.

 

 

We are just simple folk here in WRT Muda..........numbers confuse us......

some additional reading

http://supportcgstudents.com/get-the-facts/

http://www.dailyjournal.net/2018/02/08/02072018dj_cg_fieldhouse/

Already paying nice benefits...remember, its not just for sports

https://ss-times.com/cghs-selected-as-host-site-for-robotics-competition/

The above fits nicely with our Innovation Center that was built to drive success in STEM.  Are you good with that investment?

Come visit sometime....we needed the space with the SAC...and its delivered.  Regardless if taxes were increased to fund 100% of it, I would vote yes again....investing in the school has given me a nice return on my property the last 20 years or so.  

BTW, since we are not good with our numbers, what is $10MM/40,000 = per person?  Yea, its a good investment.(and our youngest child is graduating this year.....I would still vote yes again)  I want my community to prosper.  At the end of the day, its not my local or property taxes that cause me concern.

 

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18 minutes ago, TrojanDad said:

We are just simple folk here in WRT Muda..........numbers confuse us......

some additional reading

http://supportcgstudents.com/get-the-facts/

http://www.dailyjournal.net/2018/02/08/02072018dj_cg_fieldhouse/

Already paying nice benefits...remember, its not just for sports

https://ss-times.com/cghs-selected-as-host-site-for-robotics-competition/

The above fits nicely with our Innovation Center that was built to drive success in STEM.  Are you good with that investment?

Come visit sometime....we needed the space with the SAC...and its delivered.  Regardless if taxes were increased to fund 100% of it, I would vote yes again....investing in the school has given me a nice return on my property the last 20 years or so.  

BTW, since we are not good with our numbers, what is $10MM/40,000 = per person?  Yea, its a good investment.(and our youngest child is graduating this year.....I would still vote yes again)  I want my community to prosper.  At the end of the day, its not my local or property taxes that cause me concern.

 

So all the equipment in that over-expansive weight room will be moved to make room for a robotics competition? How much are the taxpayers paying in manpower for that task?  And no, I am not good with that "investment".

$10,000,000/$40,000 = $250.  A lot of money.

 

 

 

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29 minutes ago, Muda69 said:

So all the equipment in that over-expansive weight room will be moved to make room for a robotics competition? How much are the taxpayers paying in manpower for that task?  And no, I am not good with that "investment".

$10,000,000/$40,000 = $250.  A lot of money.

 

 

 

How do I say this Muda, because I like ya?  My question wasn't serious as I don't care.  You don't live in my community.   I am sure you have enough issues to tackle in your back yard.

We all know that the cost of this investment wasn't handed out as a one time bill per resident....but even it had been.....I would have still been just fine it.  Our 3 children received excellent educations that led to not only outstanding college opportunities realized, but scholarships to boot.  And my property values have greatly exceeded a $250 investment.  So yea, I support CG investing in their schools and facilities to boot.  And that doesn't even get into intangible benefits received from their school experiences over the years.  So as a resident of WRT, I'm good.  

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5 minutes ago, TrojanDad said:

How do I say this Muda, because I like ya?  My question wasn't serious as I don't care.  You don't live in my community.   I am sure you have enough issues to tackle in your back yard.

We all know that the cost of this investment wasn't handed out as a one time bill per resident....but even it had been.....I would have still been just fine it.  Our 3 children received excellent educations that led to not only outstanding college opportunities realized, but scholarships to boot.  And my property values have greatly exceeded a $250 investment.  So yea, I support CG investing in their schools and facilities to boot.  And that doesn't even get into intangible benefits received from their school experiences over the years.  So as a resident of WRT, I'm good.  

I just dislike watching taxpayers get fleeced, that's all.  And the property values argument is a shell game, just wait until the next recession/depression................

Yeah,  Like a small park near Frankfort's downtown that started at $4 million, then went to $7.5 million, and now when actually under construction total cost estimates are at $12 million.  Also a city pool that the mayor/city council says needs to be replaced at a cost of around $8 million.  Add to that a police chief who says the police headquarters building needs replaced, another multi-million project in the works.  Where will the $ come from?  My property values haven't risen in over 10 years.

 

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3 hours ago, Muda69 said:

https://www.centergrove.k12.in.us/activitycenter

lol, that "without increasing the tax rate" is another disingenuous line big government types love to use.  So they were getting close to paying off another taxpayer funded bond or series of bonds, but instead of doing the honest thing and letting the tax rate decrease they immediately started looking for another taxpayer funded boondoggle, one they could crow about not costing taxpayers "increased taxes".  Classic political malarkey, pure and simple.   I didn't know so many White River Township citizens were that gullible.

 

 

2 gorgeous words that are not nearly used enough.  Thanks Muda.

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2 hours ago, TrojanDad said:

We are just simple folk here in WRT Muda..........numbers confuse us......

some additional reading

http://supportcgstudents.com/get-the-facts/

http://www.dailyjournal.net/2018/02/08/02072018dj_cg_fieldhouse/

Already paying nice benefits...remember, its not just for sports

https://ss-times.com/cghs-selected-as-host-site-for-robotics-competition/

The above fits nicely with our Innovation Center that was built to drive success in STEM.  Are you good with that investment?

Come visit sometime....we needed the space with the SAC...and its delivered.  Regardless if taxes were increased to fund 100% of it, I would vote yes again....investing in the school has given me a nice return on my property the last 20 years or so.  

BTW, since we are not good with our numbers, what is $10MM/40,000 = per person?  Yea, its a good investment.(and our youngest child is graduating this year.....I would still vote yes again)  I want my community to prosper.  At the end of the day, its not my local or property taxes that cause me concern.

 

I owned a house in WRT from 2005 to 2013 and realized very little gain over that period.  Of course, that period spans the housing and financial crisis that peaked in 2008-2009.  

Regardless, I certainly had hoped for a better ROI than I realized.  Fortunately, I converted the house to a rental property from 2008 to 2013 and made a killing as displaced foreclosed families paid a premium for high quality home rentals in the area.  😀

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56 minutes ago, Muda69 said:

I just dislike watching taxpayers get fleeced, that's all.  And the property values argument is a shell game, just wait until the next recession/depression................

Yeah,  Like a small park near Frankfort's downtown that started at $4 million, then went to $7.5 million, and now when actually under construction total cost estimates are at $12 million.  Also a city pool that the mayor/city council says needs to be replaced at a cost of around $8 million.  Add to that a police chief who says the police headquarters building needs replaced, another multi-million project in the works.  Where will the $ come from?  My property values haven't risen in over 10 years.

 

Now see....we agree on taxpayers getting fleeced.  I also have examples of my 25+ years in my community that I haven't been pleased with investments and expenditures.  But all in all, I have supported the improvement of the school.  WRT is all about CG.  And while there is always some sawtooth effect with recessions (I sure hope we don't experience a depression) the overall growth in WRT has been outstanding.  The school drives that and its the reason why home construction continues on and on here in the Grove.  This asset is a multi-use facility....and we needed the space for kids....and we had nothing for the community.  Its been fantastic.  Thrilled we can now host robotic competitions, etc.  Glad it was voted on and approved by the community and they actually hit their budget.  

My concerns in this community is investments needed for infrastructure both with the growth, and with I-69 coming through our back yard.  I am worried about city annexation because even following 2 recommendations from IU to incorporate into a city, we refuse.  Too much money at the new exits.  Someone will want that tax revenue.  I am way more concerned about the near future and what could happen vs. build of the CGHS Student Activity Center. 

2 minutes ago, DT said:

I owned a house in WRT from 2005 to 2013 and realized very little gain over that period.  Of course, that period spans the housing and financial crisis that peaked in 2008-2009.  

Regardless, I certainly had hooped for a better ROI than I realized.  

Shame you missed the timing.  Kind of crazy now.  My wife and I wouldn't mind to downsize, but its tough to get a ranch we want, and have an equal or lower mortgage.  We will most likely hang in our house for awhile and see what the next 5-6 years bring.  We may have to leave the area to get what we want at the price we want.

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3 minutes ago, TrojanDad said:

Now see....we agree on taxpayers getting fleeced.  I also have examples of my 25+ years in my community that I haven't been pleased with investments and expenditures.  But all in all, I have supported the improvement of the school.  WRT is all about CG.  And while there is always some sawtooth effect with recessions (I sure hope we don't experience a depression) the overall growth in WRT has been outstanding.  The school drives that and its the reason why home construction continues on and on here in the Grove.  This asset is a multi-use facility....and we needed the space for kids....and we had nothing for the community.  Its been fantastic.  Thrilled we can now host robotic competitions, etc.  Glad it was voted on and approved by the community and they actually hit their budget.  

My concerns in this community is investments needed for infrastructure both with the growth, and with I-69 coming through our back yard.  I am worried about city annexation because even following 2 recommendations from IU to incorporate into a city, we refuse.  Too much money at the new exits.  Someone will want that tax revenue.  I am way more concerned about the near future and what could happen vs. build of the CGHS Student Activity Center. 

Shame you missed the timing.  Kind of crazy now

I realized my gain elsewhere.  

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3 hours ago, DannEllenwood said:

2 gorgeous words that are not nearly used enough.  Thanks Muda.

Both real winners.  I also like consubstantial, notwithstanding , esoteric, heretofore, anachronistic, fortuitous, and shoe.

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17 hours ago, Irishman said:

Inconthievable

Sweet--lest we never forget sesquipedalian...

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17 hours ago, Irishman said:

Inconthievable

Thank you. That put a grin on my faith. 

 

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On 5/23/2019 at 8:20 AM, Muda69 said:

https://www.centergrove.k12.in.us/activitycenter

lol, that "without increasing the tax rate" is another disingenuous line big government types love to use.  So they were getting close to paying off another taxpayer funded bond or series of bonds, but instead of doing the honest thing and letting the tax rate decrease they immediately started looking for another taxpayer funded boondoggle, one they could crow about not costing taxpayers "increased taxes".  Classic political malarkey, pure and simple.   I didn't know so many White River Township citizens were that gullible.

 

 

Muda.  You are correct that instead of offering a tax decrease, they kept the tax rate the same.  But to label it as dishonest is disingenuous on your part.   Tax payers understand the tax rate they are paying.  They should be satisfied as long as it doesn't increase.  And the property tax rate of only the school portion is effected. Not the entire property tax rate. With the number of school districts that are needing to fund their General Fund, not Capital Projects, with referendums we should all be praising schools like Center Grove that are fiscally astute enough to be able to provide high quality facilities without increasing taxes.

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2 hours ago, Gipper said:

Sweet--lest we never forget sesquipedalian...

That's lover of long words for those of you playing at home...

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12 minutes ago, 77Jimmie said:

Muda.  You are correct that instead of offering a tax decrease, they kept the tax rate the same.  But to label it as dishonest is disingenuous on your part.   Tax payers understand the tax rate they are paying.  They should be satisfied as long as it doesn't increase.  And the property tax rate of only the school portion is effected. Not the entire property tax rate. With the number of school districts that are needing to fund their General Fund, not Capital Projects, with referendums we should all be praising schools like Center Grove that are fiscally astute enough to be able to provide high quality facilities without increasing taxes.

Thanks Jimmie...and again, it was put to a vote in the community.  People had plenty of time to educate themselves and their vote counted.  There were community forums to educate and ask questions.  As we all know, that doesn't happen for every school capital investment.

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58 minutes ago, 77Jimmie said:

They should be satisfied as long as it doesn't increase.  

That doesn't satisfy this taxpayer.

 

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On 5/24/2019 at 11:59 AM, 77Jimmie said:

Muda.  You are correct that instead of offering a tax decrease, they kept the tax rate the same.  But to label it as dishonest is disingenuous on your part.   Tax payers understand the tax rate they are paying.  They should be satisfied as long as it doesn't increase.  And the property tax rate of only the school portion is effected. Not the entire property tax rate. With the number of school districts that are needing to fund their General Fund, not Capital Projects, with referendums we should all be praising schools like Center Grove that are fiscally astute enough to be able to provide high quality facilities without increasing taxes.

Don't know if this is here nor there, but just spent several months working in Frankfort.   Need some happiness shined down in that place.  

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13 hours ago, Robert said:

Don't know if this is here nor there, but just spent several months working in Frankfort.   Need some happiness shined down in that place.  

It is akin to the Christian Hell on Earth, is it not?

 

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On 5/24/2019 at 12:57 PM, Muda69 said:

That doesn't satisfy this taxpayer.

 

Muda.  I respect your opinion.

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On 5/27/2019 at 7:02 AM, Muda69 said:

It is akin to the Christian Hell on Earth, is it not?

 

Damn good tacos at Tres Hermanos.  

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13 hours ago, Robert said:

Damn good tacos at Tres Hermanos.  

Yes, and Los Amigos has good food as well (thank goodness they reopened after the fire).  But it's shame La Casita on the south edge of town has closed,  they had great nachos.

 

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3 hours ago, Muda69 said:

Yes, and Los Amigos has good food as well (thank goodness they reopened after the fire).  But it's shame La Casita on the south edge of town has closed,  they had great nachos.

 

Muda, do you ever frequent the Southfork Pub in Mulberry?  Good food.  Daily and Saturday Rocky Mountain Oyster special!!

http://southforkpub.com/lunch-specials

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40 minutes ago, TrojanDad said:

Muda, do you ever frequent the Southfork Pub in Mulberry?  Good food.  Daily and Saturday Rocky Mountain Oyster special!!

http://southforkpub.com/lunch-specials

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No, but I drive by there frequently.  I will have to check it out, thanks for the tip.

 

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On 5/29/2019 at 12:42 PM, Muda69 said:

No, but I drive by there frequently.  I will have to check it out, thanks for the tip.

 

Lots of teachers talk up The Angry Donkey in Michigantown.

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