foxbat Posted November 3, 2021 Share Posted November 3, 2021 15 minutes ago, Bobref said: No, no! We are not allowed to learn from the experiences in other states. I believe Indiana is a Potawatomi Indian word that means “reinvent the wheel.” Don't drag the Potawatomi into this ... I'm pretty sure they seeded the lacrosse sectionals. Fun fact: When the Jesuits started playing, they were all placed in the same sectional ... I think it was the 28th sectional. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoopsCoach Posted November 4, 2021 Share Posted November 4, 2021 8 hours ago, crimsonace1 said: That's great. The logistics of hosting a football game are significantly greater than any other sport, due to the number of people, medical staff that have to be on hand, et al. At most schools, administrators *must* be on hand to oversee it. Not only that, but you need an army of ticket takers, press box personnel, chain gang, security, et al. Basketball and other sports require a little bit smaller commitment because it's in an indoor facility or (in the case of soccer/baseball), have smaller crowds. That's a lot to ask of a school, especially if they a) have no chance of ever having a team in that game, and b) there is a possibility your school might be playing elsewhere that same night. Schools sign up to host basketball, et al, because they are guaranteed a home-court advantage if they play. They won't be granted the same in a totally neutral football world. And from the IHSAA's perspective, going fully neutral means a likely smaller crowd because it's effectively a road game for both teams. I’ll say it again - it can be done. The IHSAA and it’s member schools choose not to. Other states seem to manage those obstacles you identified. I can buy the idea that schools want to host their sectional to have a home court/field advantage. I don’t think that reason is as common for events after sectional. Greenfield-Central, Martinsville, and Frankfort all host 1A or 2A regionals in boys basketball. All 3 are in different classes and are only guaranteed to NOT have a home court advantage. Their team could also be playing elsewhere the same day/night. It’s been a while since a boys basketball team played in a semi-state they hosted. Many schools enjoy hosting tournament events, very few of which choose to because of a belief that they will have a home court/field advantage. Seymour, Huntington North, Lafayette Jeff, Washington, Southport, Logansport, Elkhart…not a criticism of their athletic teams, but not many are making deep tournament runs and playing at home. I do think the IHSAA needs to create a greater incentive for schools to host regional and semi-state events. If a fully neutral site hurts attendance from the IHSAA’s perspective, why do they play the state finals at Lucas Oil instead of letting schools play at home? They played the championship games at home sites from 1973-1976. Football is one of the few IHSAA tournaments that do not play regional and semi-state rounds at neutral sites. I would like to see that change now that more adequate facilities are available. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobref Posted November 4, 2021 Share Posted November 4, 2021 13 hours ago, foxbat said: Don't drag the Potawatomi into this ... I'm pretty sure they seeded the lacrosse sectionals. Yes, but was it “all in?” 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHJIrish Posted November 4, 2021 Share Posted November 4, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, Bobref said: Yes, but was it “all in?” I'm really impressed that you can speak Potawatomese!😄 Edited November 4, 2021 by PHJIrish 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muda69 Posted November 4, 2021 Share Posted November 4, 2021 11 hours ago, HoopsCoach said: Greenfield-Central, Martinsville, and Frankfort all host 1A or 2A regionals in boys basketball. All 3 are in different classes and are only guaranteed to NOT have a home court advantage. Their team could also be playing elsewhere the same day/night. Case Arena, one of Indiana's true basketball palaces. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LuersLurker Posted November 4, 2021 Share Posted November 4, 2021 Luers Field is ready to go! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yuccaguy Posted November 4, 2021 Share Posted November 4, 2021 3 minutes ago, LuersLurker said: Luers Field is ready to go! Where's that DAMN Fitbit between the 40 and 50? Yawl gonna have to answer to somebody..... As an aside, that field looks FANTASTIC! Thanks for the effort to repair it !! I need to apologize for one night being the outlier. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foxbat Posted November 5, 2021 Share Posted November 5, 2021 2 hours ago, LuersLurker said: Luers Field is ready to go! I don't see the sprinklers going. 😀 Asking for a friend ... Lord, I apologize for that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ASJCPUMA Posted November 5, 2021 Author Share Posted November 5, 2021 If you are at a game with a grass field how about posting the before and after and see how it holds up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gipper Posted November 5, 2021 Share Posted November 5, 2021 2 hours ago, ASJCPUMA said: If you are at a game with a grass field how about posting the before and after and see how it holds up I believe that's why Scott's Turf (::)) Builder and other forms off grass seed on the market. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoopsCoach Posted November 6, 2021 Share Posted November 6, 2021 (edited) Hypothetical neutral site games for regional: Merrillville/Penn @ LaPorte Carroll/Westfield @ Marion Brownsburg/Ben Davis @ Avon Lawrence North/Center Grove @ Franklin Central Valpo/Michigan City @ Chesterton Dwenger/Zionsville @ Anderson Cathedral/New Palestine @ Warren Central Bloomington South/New Albany @ Columbus North Lowell/New Prairie @ Hobart Northridge/Mississinewa @ Columbia City Mount Vernon/Roncalli @ Greenfield Central East Central/Evansville Memorial @ Martinsville Hanover Central/Mishawaka Marian @ Portage Norwell/Brebeuf @ Delta Tri-West/Owen Valley @ Mooresville Lawrenceburg/Gibson Southern @ Providence Andrean/LaVille @ SB St. Joe Eastside/Eastbrook @ Homestead Central Catholic/Scecina @ Lebanon Triton Central/Mater Dei @ Bloomington North North Judson/Carroll @ Logansport Adams Central/South Adams @ Bluffton Parke Heritage/Lutheran @ Cascade Tri/North Central @ Decatur Central Edited November 6, 2021 by HoopsCoach 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irishman Posted November 6, 2021 Share Posted November 6, 2021 3 minutes ago, HoopsCoach said: Hypothetical neutral site games for regional: Merrillville/Penn @ LaPorte Carroll/Westfield @ Marion Brownsburg/Ben Davis @ Avon Lawrence North/Center Grove @ Franklin Central Valpo/Michigan City @ Chesterton Dwenger/Zionsville @ Anderson Cathedral/New Palestine @ Warren Central Bloomington South/New Albany @ Columbus North Lowell/New Prairie @ Hobart Northridge/Mississinewa @ Columbia City Mount Vernon/Roncalli @ Greenfield Central East Central/Evansville Memorial @ Martinsville Hanover Central/Mishawaka Marian @ Portage Norwell/Brebeuf @ Delta Tri-West/Owen Valley @ Mooresville Lawrenceburg/Gibson Southern @ Providence Andrean/LaVille @ SB St. Joe Eastside/Eastbrook @ Homestead Central Catholic/Scecina @ Lebanon Triton Central/Mater Dei @ Bloomington North North Judson/Carroll @ Logansport Adams Central/South Adams @ Bluffton Parke Heritage/Lutheran @ Cascade Tri/North Central @ Decatur Central I think for it to really work though, have 2 or 3 games at the same site. Someone mentioned that some fans may stay home for a neutral site game, but I think the difference could be made up if there were options. I would be more inclined to see a couple games in a day at the same site rather than two teams I don’t normally follow playing close by. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoopsCoach Posted November 6, 2021 Share Posted November 6, 2021 1 minute ago, Irishman said: I think for it to really work though, have 2 or 3 games at the same site. Someone mentioned that some fans may stay home for a neutral site game, but I think the difference could be made up if there were options. I would be more inclined to see a couple games in a day at the same site rather than two teams I don’t normally follow playing close by. I agree, and that’s what I would do for semi-state. 2 games on Saturday at the same site. I think there are enough regional games that feature schools who aren’t that far apart that it would create some “out of the way” travel to pair up 2 neutral site games. Some of these regionals could definitely be paired up and played at the same site on Saturday. Merrillville/Penn and Valpo/Michigan City Carroll/Westfield and Dwenger/Zionsville Some combination of Lawrence North/Center Grove, Cathedral/New Pal, and Roncalli/Mount Vernon 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gipper Posted November 6, 2021 Share Posted November 6, 2021 1 hour ago, HoopsCoach said: Hypothetical neutral site games for regional: Merrillville/Penn @ LaPorte Carroll/Westfield @ Marion Brownsburg/Ben Davis @ Avon Lawrence North/Center Grove @ Franklin Central Valpo/Michigan City @ Chesterton Dwenger/Zionsville @ Anderson Cathedral/New Palestine @ Warren Central Bloomington South/New Albany @ Columbus North Lowell/New Prairie @ Hobart Northridge/Mississinewa @ Columbia City Mount Vernon/Roncalli @ Greenfield Central East Central/Evansville Memorial @ Martinsville Hanover Central/Mishawaka Marian @ Portage Norwell/Brebeuf @ Delta Tri-West/Owen Valley @ Mooresville Lawrenceburg/Gibson Southern @ Providence Andrean/LaVille @ SB St. Joe Eastside/Eastbrook @ Homestead Central Catholic/Scecina @ Lebanon Triton Central/Mater Dei @ Bloomington North North Judson/Carroll @ Logansport Adams Central/South Adams @ Bluffton Parke Heritage/Lutheran @ Cascade Tri/North Central @ Decatur Central Interesting take. Some games, such as Lawrence North-Center Grove, Lowell-New Prairie, Central Catholic-Scecina are close enough a neutral site isn’t really needed. Just now, Gipper said: Interesting take. Some games, such as Lawrence North-Center Grove, Lowell-New Prairie, Central Catholic-Scecina are close enough a neutral site isn’t really needed. Furthermore, I graduated from a Class A school. Long bus rides were an accepted part of the deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoopsCoach Posted November 14, 2021 Share Posted November 14, 2021 One more time - hypothetical neutral sites for semi-state. 2 games at each site, played on Saturday, November 20th. Games at 1 and 6 (not necessarily in the order listed below), which allows time between games to present trophy, clear locker rooms, fans can tailgate or go grab a meal somewhere, and warmups for game 2. Nobody with a drive more than 2 hours. @Elkhart New Prairie/Northridge Andrean/Eastside @Warsaw Brebeuf/Marian North Judson/Adams Central @Lafayette Jeff Merrillville/Westfield Michigan City/Zionsville @Franklin Central Center Grove/Ben Davis Indy Lutheran/Tri @Bloomington South Mount Vernon/Evansville Memorial Scecina/Mater Dei @Bloomington North Cathedral/New Albany Tri-West/Gibson Southern 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDAlum82 Posted November 14, 2021 Share Posted November 14, 2021 (edited) 10 hours ago, HoopsCoach said: One more time - hypothetical neutral sites for semi-state. 2 games at each site, played on Saturday, November 20th. Games at 1 and 6 (not necessarily in the order listed below), which allows time between games to present trophy, clear locker rooms, fans can tailgate or go grab a meal somewhere, and warmups for game 2. Nobody with a drive more than 2 hours. @Elkhart New Prairie/Northridge Andrean/Eastside @Warsaw Brebeuf/Marian North Judson/Adams Central @Lafayette Jeff Merrillville/Westfield Michigan City/Zionsville @Franklin Central Center Grove/Ben Davis Indy Lutheran/Tri @Bloomington South Mount Vernon/Evansville Memorial Scecina/Mater Dei @Bloomington North Cathedral/New Albany Tri-West/Gibson Southern Hosting both Evansville schools at same B'town site would bring a HUGE combined crowd from EVV. Many, if not most, would stay for both games. Easy < 2 hr drive up 69 for Evv teams, under an hour for Scecina and around 2 hrs for MTV. Stop. Making. Sense. smh Edited November 14, 2021 by MDAlum82 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ASJCPUMA Posted November 14, 2021 Author Share Posted November 14, 2021 16 hours ago, HoopsCoach said: One more time - hypothetical neutral sites for semi-state. 2 games at each site, played on Saturday, November 20th. Games at 1 and 6 (not necessarily in the order listed below), which allows time between games to present trophy, clear locker rooms, fans can tailgate or go grab a meal somewhere, and warmups for game 2. Nobody with a drive more than 2 hours. @Elkhart New Prairie/Northridge Andrean/Eastside @Warsaw Brebeuf/Marian North Judson/Adams Central @Lafayette Jeff Merrillville/Westfield Michigan City/Zionsville @Franklin Central Center Grove/Ben Davis Indy Lutheran/Tri @Bloomington South Mount Vernon/Evansville Memorial Scecina/Mater Dei @Bloomington North Cathedral/New Albany Tri-West/Gibson Southern The choices for location seem well thought out. Illinois, Ohio, Michigan all have teams travel. I would like to see this really looked at especially when considering he playing surface and the weather especially up north. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tango Posted November 15, 2021 Share Posted November 15, 2021 IHSAA isn't going to want to pay travel for all teams to go to a neutral site. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoachHag Posted November 15, 2021 Share Posted November 15, 2021 On 11/3/2021 at 10:21 PM, HoopsCoach said: I’ll say it again - it can be done. The IHSAA and it’s member schools choose not to. Other states seem to manage those obstacles you identified. I can buy the idea that schools want to host their sectional to have a home court/field advantage. I don’t think that reason is as common for events after sectional. Greenfield-Central, Martinsville, and Frankfort all host 1A or 2A regionals in boys basketball. All 3 are in different classes and are only guaranteed to NOT have a home court advantage. Their team could also be playing elsewhere the same day/night. It’s been a while since a boys basketball team played in a semi-state they hosted. Many schools enjoy hosting tournament events, very few of which choose to because of a belief that they will have a home court/field advantage. Seymour, Huntington North, Lafayette Jeff, Washington, Southport, Logansport, Elkhart…not a criticism of their athletic teams, but not many are making deep tournament runs and playing at home. I do think the IHSAA needs to create a greater incentive for schools to host regional and semi-state events. If a fully neutral site hurts attendance from the IHSAA’s perspective, why do they play the state finals at Lucas Oil instead of letting schools play at home? They played the championship games at home sites from 1973-1976. Football is one of the few IHSAA tournaments that do not play regional and semi-state rounds at neutral sites. I would like to see that change now that more adequate facilities are available. Any idea of the locations beginning in 77? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staxawax Posted November 15, 2021 Share Posted November 15, 2021 On 11/3/2021 at 10:21 PM, HoopsCoach said: If a fully neutral site hurts attendance from the IHSAA’s perspective, why do they play the state finals at Lucas Oil instead of letting schools play at home? They played the championship games at home sites from 1973-1976. Football is one of the few IHSAA tournaments that do not play regional and semi-state rounds at neutral sites. I would like to see that change now that more adequate facilities are available. Many of my generation will tell you that the reason they moved the finals to neutral locations (all around Indy if I recall) was because of one game...... the '76 Class 3A title game Carmel @ Valpo. Dullaghan's aerial attack led by Mark Herrmann was virtual grounded by temperatures in the teens and 30 mph winds. Valpo prevailed 14-13. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoopsCoach Posted November 15, 2021 Share Posted November 15, 2021 3 hours ago, CoachHag said: Any idea of the locations beginning in 77? They played at the township schools in Marion County (North Central, Warren Central, Lawrence Central, Lawrence North) until the Hoosier Dome opened. It hosted starting in ‘84. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHJIrish Posted November 15, 2021 Share Posted November 15, 2021 4 hours ago, Staxawax said: Many of my generation will tell you that the reason they moved the finals to neutral locations (all around Indy if I recall) was because of one game...... the '76 Class 3A title game Carmel @ Valpo. Dullaghan's aerial attack led by Mark Herrmann was virtual grounded by temperatures in the teens and 30 mph winds. Valpo prevailed 14-13. I believe that the Carmel/ Valpo game was in 1977 as the 1976 3A final was at CYO Field between Merrillville and Cathedral, the last football game ever played there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoopsCoach Posted November 16, 2021 Share Posted November 16, 2021 On 11/14/2021 at 7:01 PM, tango said: IHSAA isn't going to want to pay travel for all teams to go to a neutral site. The IHSAA already pays mileage for all of the schools that travel to play regional and semi-state games. They pay $6 per mile, round trip. It wouldn’t be much of a difference (or cost much more) to pay both schools mileage to go to a neutral site instead of paying one school mileage to drive all the way to their opponent’s school. Using Mount Vernon/Memorial as an example - they should pay Mount Vernon $2304 (384 miles) to go all the way to Memorial. If they played at Bloomington South for a neutral site game, the IHSAA would pay Mount Vernon $936 (156 miles) and Memorial $1416 (236 miles). That would be an additional $48 in mileage paid by the IHSAA. At $10 per ticket, I think they could sell 5 more tickets to offset that cost. If the IHSAA was really concerned about mileage reimbursement, they would make their alignment committees do a better job aligning the sectionals and which sectionals feed into certain regionals. In boys basketball, it’s possible for a school like South Adams or Adams Central to go to North Judson for regional, meanwhile North Newton, Rensselaer, or Winamac would have to go to all the way to Lapel. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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