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2.0 Multiplier Required to Fix Lower Class Competitive Balance Inequities


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Its an absolute travesty that the IHSAA is sitting by and doing nothing while Indianapolis private based institutions move to take over the lower class football post season tournaments.

Indy schools own Class 6A, with Ben Davis, Carmel, Center Grove and Warren Central capturing all 10 state titles since this class came into existence.

Cathedral, Zionsville and Decatur Central sit on top of 5A, with Roncalli likely soon to join.

Chatard, Brebeuf, Roncalli and Cathedral have dominated 4A for decades.

Chatard owns 12 3A state titles.

Now the IHSAA is clearing the path for Indy to take over the smallest classes as well.

Covenant Christian and Indianapolis Lutheran are hybrid football factories built to win state championships.

Neither , nor should any other private school,  be allowed to compete in Class 1A.  

Private schools have emerged much stronger and much deeper in the post pandemic period.  The gap between private school football and public school football in Indiana, especially at the lower class levels, is wider now than it has ever been.

Class 1A football was designed for small rural communities that would do everything they could to scrape together 25 to 30 players to fill out a roster , and hopefully survive a full season plus a tournament.

We are now seeing a 1A classification with private school rosters of 50 to 60 players, many recruited locally and on scholarship, playing in multi million dollar facilities with huge coaching staffs, the best equipment money can buy, and massive levels of administrative and community support, levels that very few public schools can match.

Its flat out wrong, it goes against the good intentions of competitive balance initiatives, and it needs to be rectified.

A 2.0 enrollment multiplier will force all PPs up a class, address the competitive imbalance realities that currently exist, and restore Class 1A to its rightful place as the home of rural, outpost football in Indiana.

IHSAA , Commissioner Paul Neidig and Assistant Commissioner for Football Robert Faulkens, its time to act and protect small school football in Indiana.  Its not healthy for the sport to concentrate all the power and success into the Indy Metro Area.  This approach discourages participation in other areas of the state.  Do you really want that as part of your respective legacies? 

GID readers, if you agree, email Neidig and Faulkens and let your thoughts on the subject be known.

pneidig@ihsaa.org

rfaulkens@ihsaa.org

 

 

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I normally dont do this, but just wondering where your getting numbers of 1A schools with Multi-Million dollar facilities are?  I can tell you Lutheran doesn't. Until they scraped enough money together to turf their field, their facilities are nothing to really bat an eye at. They dont have visitor stands, they dont have an updated locker room. I haven't anything like million dollar stuff at Convenant either.  Are they good at football. NOW they are, its not like anyone in 1A  except for LCC has really DOMINATED 1A.

 

1A 2000 Adams Central Attica 29-21 Rick Minnich 12-3 David McDonald 14-1 Josh Smith, Attica RCA Dome
1A 2001 Southern Wells Perry Central 30-  7 Mark Lefebvre 14-1 Mike Spencer 14-1 Peter Wagner, Southern Wells RCA Dome
1A 2002 Southwood South Putnam 17-14 Terry Siddall 13-1 Mark Wildman 12-3 Kole Ames, South Putnam RCA Dome
1A 2003 Indianapolis Ritter Seeger 28-  0 Jim Boswell 12-2 Brian Moore 14-1 Thomas Marshall, Seeger RCA Dome
1A 2004 Seeger Indianapolis Ritter 20-  7 Brian Moore 15-0 Jim Boswell 10-5 Spencer King, Ritter RCA Dome
1A 2005 Sheridan Knightstown 21-  7 Larry Wright 13-2 Don Willard 14-1 Matt Cox, Knightstown RCA Dome
1A 2006 Sheridan Indianapolis Ritter ot 34-28 Larry Wright 15-0 Ty Hunt 13-2 Taylor Scott, Sheridan RCA Dome
1A 2007 Sheridan Rockville 34-28 Larry Wright 15-0 Herb King 14-1 Zachary Clapp, Rockville RCA Dome
1A 2008 Indianapolis Ritter Sheridan 34-27 Ty Hunt 15-0 Larry Wright 13-2 Brent Hume, Sheridan Lucas Oil Stadium
1A 2009 Lafayette Central Catholic Fountain Central 52-  0 Kevin O'Shea 15-0 Rick Malone 14-1 Greg Burns, Central Catholic Lucas Oil Stadium
1A 2010 Lafayette Central Catholic Fountain Central 31-  6 Kevin O'Shea 15-0 Rick Malone 13-2 Cody Christopher, Central Catholic Lucas Oil Stadium
1A 2011 Lafayette Central Catholic Indianapolis Scecina 38-  7 Kevin O'Shea 15-0 Ott Hurrle 11-4 John Schrader, Central Catholic Lucas Oil Stadium
1A 2012 Lafayette Central Catholic Indianapolis Scecina 14-  0 Kevin O'Shea 14-1 Ott Hurrle 11-4 Jimmy Mills, Central Catholic Lucas Oil Stadium
1A 2013 Tri-Central Eastern Hancock 20-10 George Gilbert 14-1 Pat Echeverria 14-1 Sam Carlton, Eastern Hancock Lucas Oil Stadium
1A 2014 North Vermillion Pioneer 27-26 Brian Crabtree 15-0 Mike Johnson 13-2 Parker Englert, Pioneer Lucas Oil Stadium
1A 2015 Lafayette Central Catholic Linton-Stockton 34-  7 Kevin O'Shea 15-0 Brian Oliver 13-2 Dylan Morris, Linton-Stockton Lucas Oil Stadium
1A 2016 Linton-Stockton Pioneer 34-20 Brian Oliver 15-0 Adam Berry 14-1 Austin Harmon, Pioneer Lucas Oil Stadium
1A 2017 Pioneer Eastern Greene 42-14 Adam Berry 15-0 Joey Paridaen 11-4 Garrett Schroder, Pioneer Lucas Oil Stadium
1A 2018 Pioneer North Vermillion 60-  0 Adam Berry 15-0 Brian Crabtree 13-2 Dustin Sparks, Pioneer Lucas Oil Stadium
1A 2019 Lafayette Central Catholic Indianapolis Lutheran 29-28 Brian Nay 12-3 Dave Pasch 13-1 Kyle Onken, Central Catholic Lucas Oil Stadium
1A 2020 Covenant Christian South Adams 41-40 Shawn Lyons 15-0 Grant Moser 13-1 James Arnold, South Adams Lucas Oil Stadium
1A 2021 Indianapolis Lutheran Adams Central 34-28 Dave Pasch 15-0 Michael Mosser 13-2 Blake Heyerly, Adams Central Lucas Oil Stadium

 

 

I would say, 1A public schools have the best shot TBH, its not like the State Title games were blowouts by these supposed MULTI MILLION DOLLAR facilitied schools.

 

You are reaching a little bit on this one I believe

 

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8 minutes ago, WCGrad92 said:

I normally dont do this, but just wondering where your getting numbers of 1A schools with Multi-Million dollar facilities are?  I can tell you Lutheran doesn't. Until they scraped enough money together to turf their field, their facilities are nothing to really bat an eye at. They dont have visitor stands, they dont have an updated locker room. I haven't anything like million dollar stuff at Convenant either.  Are they good at football. NOW they are, its not like anyone in 1A  except for LCC has really DOMINATED 1A.

 

1A 2000 Adams Central Attica 29-21 Rick Minnich 12-3 David McDonald 14-1 Josh Smith, Attica RCA Dome
1A 2001 Southern Wells Perry Central 30-  7 Mark Lefebvre 14-1 Mike Spencer 14-1 Peter Wagner, Southern Wells RCA Dome
1A 2002 Southwood South Putnam 17-14 Terry Siddall 13-1 Mark Wildman 12-3 Kole Ames, South Putnam RCA Dome
1A 2003 Indianapolis Ritter Seeger 28-  0 Jim Boswell 12-2 Brian Moore 14-1 Thomas Marshall, Seeger RCA Dome
1A 2004 Seeger Indianapolis Ritter 20-  7 Brian Moore 15-0 Jim Boswell 10-5 Spencer King, Ritter RCA Dome
1A 2005 Sheridan Knightstown 21-  7 Larry Wright 13-2 Don Willard 14-1 Matt Cox, Knightstown RCA Dome
1A 2006 Sheridan Indianapolis Ritter ot 34-28 Larry Wright 15-0 Ty Hunt 13-2 Taylor Scott, Sheridan RCA Dome
1A 2007 Sheridan Rockville 34-28 Larry Wright 15-0 Herb King 14-1 Zachary Clapp, Rockville RCA Dome
1A 2008 Indianapolis Ritter Sheridan 34-27 Ty Hunt 15-0 Larry Wright 13-2 Brent Hume, Sheridan Lucas Oil Stadium
1A 2009 Lafayette Central Catholic Fountain Central 52-  0 Kevin O'Shea 15-0 Rick Malone 14-1 Greg Burns, Central Catholic Lucas Oil Stadium
1A 2010 Lafayette Central Catholic Fountain Central 31-  6 Kevin O'Shea 15-0 Rick Malone 13-2 Cody Christopher, Central Catholic Lucas Oil Stadium
1A 2011 Lafayette Central Catholic Indianapolis Scecina 38-  7 Kevin O'Shea 15-0 Ott Hurrle 11-4 John Schrader, Central Catholic Lucas Oil Stadium
1A 2012 Lafayette Central Catholic Indianapolis Scecina 14-  0 Kevin O'Shea 14-1 Ott Hurrle 11-4 Jimmy Mills, Central Catholic Lucas Oil Stadium
1A 2013 Tri-Central Eastern Hancock 20-10 George Gilbert 14-1 Pat Echeverria 14-1 Sam Carlton, Eastern Hancock Lucas Oil Stadium
1A 2014 North Vermillion Pioneer 27-26 Brian Crabtree 15-0 Mike Johnson 13-2 Parker Englert, Pioneer Lucas Oil Stadium
1A 2015 Lafayette Central Catholic Linton-Stockton 34-  7 Kevin O'Shea 15-0 Brian Oliver 13-2 Dylan Morris, Linton-Stockton Lucas Oil Stadium
1A 2016 Linton-Stockton Pioneer 34-20 Brian Oliver 15-0 Adam Berry 14-1 Austin Harmon, Pioneer Lucas Oil Stadium
1A 2017 Pioneer Eastern Greene 42-14 Adam Berry 15-0 Joey Paridaen 11-4 Garrett Schroder, Pioneer Lucas Oil Stadium
1A 2018 Pioneer North Vermillion 60-  0 Adam Berry 15-0 Brian Crabtree 13-2 Dustin Sparks, Pioneer Lucas Oil Stadium
1A 2019 Lafayette Central Catholic Indianapolis Lutheran 29-28 Brian Nay 12-3 Dave Pasch 13-1 Kyle Onken, Central Catholic Lucas Oil Stadium
1A 2020 Covenant Christian South Adams 41-40 Shawn Lyons 15-0 Grant Moser 13-1 James Arnold, South Adams Lucas Oil Stadium
1A 2021 Indianapolis Lutheran Adams Central 34-28 Dave Pasch 15-0 Michael Mosser 13-2 Blake Heyerly, Adams Central Lucas Oil Stadium

 

 

I would say, 1A public schools have the best shot TBH, its not like the State Title games were blowouts by these supposed MULTI MILLION DOLLAR facilitied schools.

 

You are reaching a little bit on this one I believe

 

9 of last 13 1A state titles have gone to the Catholics. Catholics were runnerups in 2 of the 4 non PP title wins.   

That is total and complete dominance, and most likely will continue given current trends.

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34 minutes ago, DT said:

9 of last 13 1A state titles have gone to the Catholics. Catholics were runnerups in 2 of the 4 non PP title wins.   

That is total and complete dominance, and most likely will continue given current trends.

There are no Catholic schools left in 1A.

Mission accomplished!

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48 minutes ago, DT said:

9 of last 13 1A state titles have gone to the Catholics. Catholics were runnerups in 2 of the 4 non PP title wins.   

That is total and complete dominance, and most likely will continue given current trends.

He seems to have missed The Reformation.

11 minutes ago, kdets89 said:

There are no Catholic schools left in 1A.

Mission accomplished!

 

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Like everything in life, it's cyclical and eventually will balance itself out. You had NE Indiana 3 peat in 2000, 2001,& 2002. Sheridan, LCC, & Pioneer have had their runs. Now it's beginning to be Indy parochials vs Adams County schools. It's been fun even if the results haven't went in our (Adams County) favor. Just going to enjoy 1A football while it's in Adams County. I'm sure AC will be 2A in the next cycle and with new programs South Adams could end up back in 2A at some point.

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45 minutes ago, Basementbias said:

Like everything in life, it's cyclical and eventually will balance itself out. You had NE Indiana 3 peat in 2000, 2001,& 2002. Sheridan, LCC, & Pioneer have had their runs. Now it's beginning to be Indy parochials vs Adams County schools. It's been fun even if the results haven't went in our (Adams County) favor. Just going to enjoy 1A football while it's in Adams County. I'm sure AC will be 2A in the next cycle and with new programs South Adams could end up back in 2A at some point.

It's a traveling parochial school trophy. It just moves from fort Wayne to Lafayette to Indianapolis to Evansville and back around the circle.

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2 hours ago, DT said:

Covenant Christian and Indianapolis Lutheran are hybrid football factories built to win state championships.

We are now seeing a 1A classification with private school rosters of 50 to 60 players, many recruited locally and on scholarship, playing in multi million dollar facilities with huge coaching staffs, the best equipment money can buy, and massive levels of administrative and community support, levels that very few public schools can match.

Covenant Christian doesn't even have its own football field.

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1 hour ago, BDGiant93 said:

Covenant Christian doesn't even have its own football field.

Wait till he finds out that not every kid who attends private school has parents who drive a Bentley or own a Fortune 500 company.

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1 hour ago, Footballking16 said:

Wait till he finds out that not every kid who attends private school has parents who drive a Bentley or own a Fortune 500 company.

None of that matters.

What does matter is that PPs have won 9 of the past 13 1A state titles, and the coaches are fed up with it.  Lutheran and Covenant will be pre season favorites to win it again.  Park Tudor also in the mix.  

These are the facts that drive change.

 

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I played in MO under a 1.5 multiplier. 

As a HS student, it never even entered my mind that we were "playing up"....it seems to be more of a fan/parent/now social media thing.

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5 hours ago, DT said:

None of that matters.

What does matter is that PPs have won 9 of the past 13 1A state titles, and the coaches are fed up with it.  Lutheran and Covenant will be pre season favorites to win it again.  Park Tudor also in the mix.  

These are the facts that drive change.

 

We all ready have the success factor. 

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6 hours ago, DT said:

None of that matters.

What does matter is that PPs have won 9 of the past 13 1A state titles, and the coaches are fed up with it.  Lutheran and Covenant will be pre season favorites to win it again.  Park Tudor also in the mix.  

These are the facts that drive change.

 

Park Tudor?? The same Park Tudor team that has one winning season since 2005?

Lutheran and Covenant play in the same sectional so one of those teams will be eliminated in the first 3 weeks of the playoffs. Lutheran is deservedly one of the favorites to win 1A next year but Covenant isn’t.

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1 hour ago, Footballking16 said:

Park Tudor?? The same Park Tudor team that has one winning season since 2005?

Lutheran and Covenant play in the same sectional so one of those teams will be eliminated in the first 3 weeks of the playoffs. Lutheran is deservedly one of the favorites to win 1A next year but Covenant isn’t.

Covenant will always be in the go forward conversation due to their ability to recruit and custom build a roster designed to win state championships.  Lutheran just happens to have more and better athletes today.  Both are 1A football magnets, built in the image and likeness of the LCC machine from 10 years ago.  

 

Yes, Park Tudor is rising rapidly.  

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11 minutes ago, DT said:

Covenant will always be in the go forward conversation due to their ability to recruit and custom build a roster designed to win state championships.  Lutheran just happens to have more and better athletes today.  Both are 1A football magnets, built in the image and likeness of the LCC machine from 10 years ago.  

 

Yes, Park Tudor is rising rapidly.  

Park Tudor hasn’t won a sectional since 2005. They had a good year last year for program standards. Improving? Yes. Rising rapidly? Chill.

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5 minutes ago, Mebuck said:

When Lutheran wins state they will move up to 2A and probably be stuck there. So you won't have to deal with them. So quit your bitching and make your team better. 

You just severely offended hundreds of small school coaches around the state with those comments.  They reinforce the prevailing PP attitude on this subject and only serve to create a deeper level of animosity 

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40 minutes ago, DT said:

You just severely offended hundreds of small school coaches around the state with those comments.  They reinforce the prevailing PP attitude on this subject and only serve to create a deeper level of animosity 

Life is not fair,  Dwenger plays 5A because they had 3 great years. They are a 4A school for now. The student numbers will put them in 3A when they drop back down. 95% of the kids come from feeders schools. Fort Wayne has open inrollment so the "recruiting" myth doesn't work.

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11 hours ago, Mebuck said:

Life is not fair,  Dwenger plays 5A because they had 3 great years. They are a 4A school for now. The student numbers will put them in 3A when they drop back down. 95% of the kids come from feeders schools. Fort Wayne has open inrollment so the "recruiting" myth doesn't work.

No one is equating Dwenger to Cathedral. We know that Dwenger is built from the ground up...........kudos to them.

I agree with DT that we need a multiplier for the private schools. Ninety percent of a private school's population is privy to the kind of training that only 50% of students at a public school can afford. It's easy to preach "stop whining and bitching" when your school is stockpiling trophies at the expense of underprivileged competition. 

In all fairness, a public school that is rated highly in terms of socioeconomic status should also be given the multiplier treatment. 

 

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13 minutes ago, BTF said:

Ninety percent of a private school's population is privy to the kind of training that only 50% of students at a public school can afford. It's easy to preach "stop whining and bitching" when your school is stockpiling trophies at the expense of underprivileged competition. 

In all fairness, a public school that is rated highly in terms of socioeconomic status should also be given the multiplier treatment. 

So the success is because of private training? Is that why New Pal had so much success a few years ago? 

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5 minutes ago, tango said:

So the success is because of private training? Is that why New Pal had so much success a few years ago? 

New Pal's community isn't exactly destitute. Find a better example please. 

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12 hours ago, BTF said:

New Pal's community isn't exactly destitute. Find a better example please. 

Give us evidence of "private training" being the secret sauce of P/P success. That is silly in the context of football. Tennis maybe. Coach Ralph is known for a tremendous S&C program. Are you saying all the kids do private training? 

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4 minutes ago, tango said:

Give us evidence of "private training" being the secret sauce of P/P success. That is silly in the context of football. Tennis maybe. Coach Ralph is known for a tremendous S&C program. Are you saying all the kids do private training? 

The "private training" comes in the form of CYO football.  Many public school kids are putting on pads and helmet for the first time in high school while their PP counterparts have been playing organized football with specialized coaching with a 5 to 7 year head start.  Even if public school kids play junior high football , they are coached by very young, inexperienced guys who are trying to work their way up to the varsity staff.  

This is the "secret sauce" of PP football.  Young PP players are learning how to pull, pass protect and trap block while their public opponents are still playing video games at home after school.  

There are many public schools who have tried to duplicate/replicate the CYO model in a public environment.

Some of the best are :

Center Grove

Eastbrook

FW Snider

Hobart

South Adams

Adams Central

Michigan City

New Prairie

Brownstown Central

Heritage Hills

 

 

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Here is how the PPs are individually impacted by the 2.0 Multiplier.  

 

The only school that looks overmatched in the new classification is Bishop Noll.  

 


89    Indianapolis Roncalli    1081 x 2 = 2162 to Bump to 6A

92    Indianapolis Cathedral    1073x2 = 2146 Bump to 6A

110    Fort Wayne Bishop Dwenger    928  x2 = 1856  Bump to 5A

118    Brebeuf Jesuit    841 x2 = 1682  Bump to 5A

122    South Bend Saint Joseph    806 x2 = 1612 Bump to 5A

 


135    Guerin Catholic    740  x 2 = 1480  Bump to 4A

149    Mishawaka Marian    690  x 2 = 1380 Bump to 4A

152    Indianapolis Bishop Chatard    667x2 = 1334 Bump to 4A

164    Fort Wayne Concordia    610  x2 = 1220  Bump to 4A

175    Evansville Memorial    556 x2 == 1112  Bump to 4A

 

 



196    Indianapolis Cardinal Ritter    502 x 2 = 1004  Bump to 4A

199    Evansville Mater Dei    496  x 2 = 992  Bump to 4A
200    Heritage Christian    496  x 2 = 992  Bump to 4A

202    Hammond Bishop Noll    493 x 2 = 986 Bump to 4A

210    Fort Wayne Bishop Luers    481x2 = 962  Bump to 4A

224    Indianapolis Scecina    439  x 2 = 878   Bump to 4A

237    Andrean    408 x 2 = 816  Bump to 4A


 

 


253    Park Tudor    378* x 2 =756  Bump to 3A

260    Covenant Christian (Indpls.)    352 x2 = 704  Bump to 3A


278    Lafayette Central Catholic    296 x 2 = 592  Bump to 3A

283    Bowman Academy    285 x2 = 570  Bump to 3A


307    Indianapolis Lutheran    224 x2 = 448  Bump to 2A
308    Indianapolis Tindley    219   x 2 = 438  Bump to 2A

316    Traders Point Christian    124 x 2 = 248  Bump to 2A

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