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It's my understanding that it was never planned to be a quick process. The principal noted on Twitter just last week that candidates are being interviewed and that a new coach should be announced soon.

Next school board meeting is March 19, just FYI, (board would have to approve before announcement). I have no inside knowledge of anything, however.

 

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17 hours ago, Coach_G said:

BD is a great job, but it’s a unique job. BD admin is right to be cautious.  

Would be interested in hearing why BD is a unique job in your opinion.

Size of school/team?

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16 hours ago, Coach Ellenwood said:

Would be interested in hearing why BD is a unique job in your opinion.

Size of school/team?

I'm sure That is part of his long list...  almost 5,000 students from every walk of life.  Probably 200 kids walking onto the football field in August.  Making sure all of those kids have a place to eat and sleep.  Creating a sense of unity in one of the most diverse schools in Indiana while this entire country is battered with racial tension (at least that's what the news will tell you).  Taking over a state championship team has it's problems, there's only 2 places to go and neither one is UP.  The list goes on, but there are plenty of great guys that are drooling to take all this head on! 

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19 hours ago, BDGiant93 said:

With Coach Vanderbush running the strength program I am sure the kids are far from discouraged. 

 

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On 3/14/2018 at 7:33 AM, Von2Rov said:

I'm sure That is part of his long list...  almost 5,000 students from every walk of life.  Probably 200 kids walking onto the football field in August.  Making sure all of those kids have a place to eat and sleep.  Creating a sense of unity in one of the most diverse schools in Indiana while this entire country is battered with racial tension (at least that's what the news will tell you).  Taking over a state championship team has it's problems, there's only 2 places to go and neither one is UP.  The list goes on, but there are plenty of great guys that are drooling to take all this head on! 

Perhaps the dearth of candidates, qualified or unqualified, is the real reason for the delay.  Very few experienced, successful head coaches would want to wade into this potential snake pit.  What is the upside?  There is none.  Tom Allen couldn't do anything right in the eyes of the media , fans and the website critics when he replaced legend in his own mind Dick Dullaghan. :02_v:Same will likely happen to whomever replaces Kirschner.  Who needs the headaches?

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1 hour ago, DrivenT said:

Perhaps the dearth of candidates, qualified or unqualified, is the real reason for the delay.  Very few experienced, successful head coaches would want to wade into this potential snake pit.  What is the upside?  There is none.  Tom Allen couldn't do anything right in the eyes of the media , fans and the website critics when he replaced legend in his own mind Dick Dullaghan. :02_v:Same will likely happen to whomever replaces Kirschner.  Who needs the headaches?

Nobody needs them, but I know there are guys that will want them. 

And all of the candidates that they are taking seriously know exactly what they will be inheriting.  They don't mind being presented with a challenge.  Sure there are some that would rather be comfortable in their job, but as Tom said at the IFCA clinic, greatness comes from being uncomfortable. 

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2 minutes ago, Von2Rov said:

Nobody needs them, but I know there are guys that will want them. 

And all of the candidates that they are taking seriously know exactly what they will be inheriting.  They don't mind being presented with a challenge.  Sure there are some that would rather be comfortable in their job, but as Tom said at the IFCA clinic, greatness comes from being uncomfortable. 

Coaches inherently have a "building" mentality.  Build strength.  Build numbers.  Build a roster.  Build a staff.  Build a feeder system.  Build a recruiting network.  Build new and better facilities.  Build community outreach.  Build alumni support.  All of those things are built and deeply entrenched at BD.  Somebody will take the job - for the money.  It certainly will be significant.  Or possibly an out of stater who has no ties to the school.  Or someone who wants to be a college football coach, like Allen wanted to be.  

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23 minutes ago, DrivenT said:

Coaches inherently have a "building" mentality.  Build strength.  Build numbers.  Build a roster.  Build a staff.  Build a feeder system.  Build a recruiting network.  Build new and better facilities.  Build community outreach.  Build alumni support.  All of those things are built and deeply entrenched at BD.  Somebody will take the job - for the money.  It certainly will be significant.  Or possibly an out of stater who has no ties to the school.  Or someone who wants to be a college football coach, like Allen wanted to be.  

Did Tom tell you that was his goal when taking over BD in '04? 

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1 hour ago, Von2Rov said:

Did Tom tell you that was his goal when taking over BD in '04? 

I have no clue what Allen's motivations were back then.  I believe he was under a lot of pressure due to his mediocre record and the extraordinarily high expectations that came with following self described legend Dullaghan.  Perhaps he was looking for an out and chose the small college route.  Moving to another high school would have been perceived as a sign of failure.  

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Did you REALLY just type today that Dullaghan is a legend in his own mind? :14_v:

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2 hours ago, Irishman said:

Did you REALLY just type today that Dullaghan is a legend in his own mind? :14_v:

DD is a legendary Indiana HS football coach. He lacks the humility of his peers unfortunately

 

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6 minutes ago, DrivenT said:

DD is a legendary Indiana HS football coach. He lacks the humility of his peers unfortunately

Go on...

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18 minutes ago, DrivenT said:

DD is a legendary Indiana HS football coach. He lacks the humility of his peers unfortunately

 

yeah, I don't see it. If you are referring to his being a color guy on the State finals games, I can see where some might be turned off. I am not one of those.

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6 hours ago, DrivenT said:

DD is a legendary Indiana HS football coach. He lacks the humility of his peers unfortunately

 

Rolls eyes...moves on.

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On 3/15/2018 at 2:55 PM, DrivenT said:

I have no clue what Allen's motivations were back then.  I believe he was under a lot of pressure due to his mediocre record and the extraordinarily high expectations that came with following self described legend Dullaghan.  Perhaps he was looking for an out and chose the small college route.  Moving to another high school would have been perceived as a sign of failure.  

You literally said in the post before this one...  " Somebody will take the job - for the money.  It certainly will be significant.  Or possibly an out of stater who has no ties to the school.  Or someone who wants to be a college football coach, like Allen wanted to be."

Then you said Dick Dullaghan was a self described legend.

I just.... Can't  :15_v:

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39 minutes ago, Von2Rov said:

You literally said in the post before this one...  " Somebody will take the job - for the money.  It certainly will be significant.  Or possibly an out of stater who has no ties to the school.  Or someone who wants to be a college football coach, like Allen wanted to be."

Then you said Dick Dullaghan was a self described legend.

I just.... Can't  :15_v:

Don't you think it's possible that Allen had his sights set on a college coaching career when he took the promotion at BD?

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19 minutes ago, DrivenT said:

Don't you think it's possible that Allen had his sights set on a college coaching career when he took the promotion at BD?

Absolutely possible... But I personally wouldn't spout off about something I knew nothing about.  That's all

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9 minutes ago, Von2Rov said:

Absolutely possible... But I personally wouldn't spout off about something I knew nothing about.  That's all

 

9 minutes ago, Von2Rov said:

Absolutely possible... But I personally wouldn't spout off about something I knew nothing about.  That's all

This is a discussion board.  Opinions, thoughts, ideas, perceptions and random scenarios are encouraged.  It keeps the site somewhat interesting.  If we deal in nothing but facts and hard results, there is little to no need for discussion.  Now wouldn't that be boring?  :07_v:

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34 minutes ago, DrivenT said:

 

This is a discussion board.  Opinions, thoughts, ideas, perceptions and random scenarios are encouraged.  It keeps the site somewhat interesting.  If we deal in nothing but facts and hard results, there is little to no need for discussion.  Now wouldn't that be boring?  :07_v:

To each his own...

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10 hours ago, DrivenT said:

Don't you think it's possible that Allen had his sights set on a college coaching career when he took the promotion at BD?

Yes. That was Tom's stated intention to be a defensive coordinator in D1 college football.

Jason Simmons has been hired to replace Mike Kirschner.  

https://twitter.com/BenDavisFB/status/975866367365779456

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Did Kirschner take the Mt Vernon job. Sorry if it is in the previous pages of this thread.  If he left bd and took the mt vernon job i guess im just asking why?

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17 hours ago, MuleDriver said:

Did Kirschner take the Mt Vernon job. Sorry if it is in the previous pages of this thread.  If he left bd and took the mt vernon job i guess im just asking why?

Get closer to his family from what I hear; also, if he doesn't have his eyes on a bigger job and the money is ok, why not take a program that has a decent football history and mold it into what you want it to be while not having the pressures of 6A MIC, national level type of job? I get it. I appreciate what he has done for BD and the MIC, and wish him well in an underrated Hoosier Heritage.

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3 hours ago, BDGiant93 said:

Only if i open indystar in an incognito window.  Lots of times i don't even search for news pertaining to indy area just because of the labor behind going to indystar . com.  Only get a specified amount of visits  there for free till she starts asking for cash. That is where the icognito has to come in. Then when you get there the ever present pop up videos with commercials badgers you to the point of why bother. .... .. . .  . .  

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should of signed up for the $9.99 yearly subscription deal they had a few months ago.  10 bucks for the entire year digital subscription, pretty good value there. 

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