Trojanmp52 Posted August 2, 2022 Share Posted August 2, 2022 Not sure I get why their are some out there pushing for neutral sites for semi-state and even regional games. My thoughts are this where seeding should be used, not who plays who but who has home field. Take CG or Westfield the last two year both teams should not have played a way game in the tournament. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whiteshoes Posted August 2, 2022 Share Posted August 2, 2022 Seating, parking, concessions, rest rooms are just a few of the reasons for the push for neutral sites. Standing five deep in the end zone of a semi-state game is not a lot of fun. The players would love playing in the larger facilities as well. While we are at it, let's play double-header semi-states on Saturday. Gives families more time to get to the game, in mid-November it is usually warmer during the day and having two great games to watch on a fall afternoon is hard to beat. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobref Posted August 2, 2022 Share Posted August 2, 2022 Every year as we get past the sectional, people moan and groan about driving distances for the regionals and semistates. Neutral sites can cut those driving distances in half, in addition to providing better venues. It’s disappointing when two really good teams play a high stakes game at a subpar facility. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trojanmp52 Posted August 2, 2022 Author Share Posted August 2, 2022 25 minutes ago, whiteshoes said: Seating, parking, concessions, rest rooms are just a few of the reasons for the push for neutral sites. Standing five deep in the end zone of a semi-state game is not a lot of fun. The players would love playing in the larger facilities as well. While we are at it, let's play double-header semi-states on Saturday. Gives families more time to get to the game, in mid-November it is usually warmer during the day and having two great games to watch on a fall afternoon is hard to beat. Never have had that issue at the games I have gone to for those games as far as double header most families are just at the game for the team they cheer for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trojanmp52 Posted August 2, 2022 Author Share Posted August 2, 2022 20 minutes ago, Bobref said: Every year as we get past the sectional, people moan and groan about driving distances for the regionals and semistates. Neutral sites can cut those driving distances in half, in addition to providing better venues. It’s disappointing when two really good teams play a high stakes game at a subpar facility. When I had to drive down to Hatched house to watch CG vs BD for basketball a few years ago turned me against people groaning about travel. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basementbias Posted August 2, 2022 Share Posted August 2, 2022 Ohio has done it throughout the playoffs for years. I have sort of grown fond of the neutral venue. However limit it to regional and semi state. Seed the sectionals fully or top half minimal. Indiana does it right with the all in tournament though! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whiteshoes Posted August 2, 2022 Share Posted August 2, 2022 1 hour ago, Trojanmp52 said: Never have had that issue at the games I have gone to for those games as far as double header most families are just at the game for the team they cheer for. Leave Center Grove and try going to an A semi-state game. The we will continue this conversation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donnie Baker Posted August 2, 2022 Share Posted August 2, 2022 2 hours ago, whiteshoes said: Seating, parking, concessions, rest rooms are just a few of the reasons for the push for neutral sites. Standing five deep in the end zone of a semi-state game is not a lot of fun. The players would love playing in the larger facilities as well. While we are at it, let's play double-header semi-states on Saturday. Gives families more time to get to the game, in mid-November it is usually warmer during the day and having two great games to watch on a fall afternoon is hard to beat. So forget about the other sports that always play on Saturday? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boilernation Posted August 2, 2022 Share Posted August 2, 2022 1 hour ago, Basementbias said: Ohio has done it throughout the playoffs for years. I have sort of grown fond of the neutral venue. However limit it to regional and semi state. Seed the sectionals fully or top half minimal. Indiana does it right with the all in tournament though! Does Ohio go neutral in the later rounds or does it start in round 1? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boilernation Posted August 2, 2022 Share Posted August 2, 2022 3 hours ago, Bobref said: Every year as we get past the sectional, people moan and groan about driving distances for the regionals and semistates. Neutral sites can cut those driving distances in half, in addition to providing better venues. It’s disappointing when two really good teams play a high stakes game at a subpar facility. For me it's not even about driving distance because I don't mind a good road trip to new or familiar areas. My longstanding gripe is that Regional and Semi-State matchups (sometimes even Sectional Titles) are often played in front of empty bleachers in horrendous Friday night weather. My hope would be mid to late Saturday afternoon game times at neutral fields could increase the crowd size. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gipper Posted August 2, 2022 Share Posted August 2, 2022 If Ohio jumped off of a bridge, would you jump, too? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boilernation Posted August 2, 2022 Share Posted August 2, 2022 8 minutes ago, Gipper said: If Ohio jumped off of a bridge, would you jump, too? Sure, if the landing was soft, and there was value at the bottom. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hhpatriot04 Posted August 2, 2022 Share Posted August 2, 2022 1 hour ago, Boilernation said: For me it's not even about driving distance because I don't mind a good road trip to new or familiar areas. My longstanding gripe is that Regional and Semi-State matchups (sometimes even Sectional Titles) are often played in front of empty bleachers in horrendous Friday night weather. My hope would be mid to late Saturday afternoon game times at neutral fields could increase the crowd size. You're competing on Saturdays in some very competitive college football timeslots and markets. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gipper Posted August 2, 2022 Share Posted August 2, 2022 1 hour ago, Boilernation said: Sure, if the landing was soft, and there was value at the bottom. Well played. Being that I'm close to Illinois (actually I'm currently in the Loop), I'm not sure if they have neutral site games. Although most of the 8A schools are located in the Chicago area, I also believe there are a few downstate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boilernation Posted August 2, 2022 Share Posted August 2, 2022 22 minutes ago, Gipper said: Well played. Being that I'm close to Illinois (actually I'm currently in the Loop), I'm not sure if they have neutral site games. Although most of the 8A schools are located in the Chicago area, I also believe there are a few downstate. I don't think Illinois does neutral site, BUT they play a lot of Saturday afternoon playoff games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boilernation Posted August 2, 2022 Share Posted August 2, 2022 29 minutes ago, hhpatriot04 said: You're competing on Saturdays in some very competitive college football timeslots and markets. Agreed. But wouldn't that be more of a deterrent to the casual fan? Personally, I'll DVR a good college game in favor of a marquee Regional or Semi-State matchup. Of the HS sports I follow, football is the only one where the crowd size diminishes in Regionals and Semi-State. Is that due to Friday night games and/or weather conditions? Would fans be willing to travel more on a Saturday? IDK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NLCTigerFan07 Posted August 2, 2022 Share Posted August 2, 2022 2 hours ago, Boilernation said: Does Ohio go neutral in the later rounds or does it start in round 1? Starts in Round 3 now I believe. It used to only be Round 1 where the higher seeds would host, but then the OHSAA expanded their playoffs a few years back. Now the first two rounds, the higher seed hosts. Round 3 - their "Regional Semi-Finals" - neutral sites are utilized. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hhpatriot04 Posted August 2, 2022 Share Posted August 2, 2022 20 minutes ago, Boilernation said: Agreed. But wouldn't that be more of a deterrent to the casual fan? Personally, I'll DVR a good college game in favor of a marquee Regional or Semi-State matchup. Of the HS sports I follow, football is the only one where the crowd size diminishes in Regionals and Semi-State. Is that due to Friday night games and/or weather conditions? Would fans be willing to travel more on a Saturday? IDK. Ask Mater Dei. I know how well Mater Dei used to travel on Friday nights (even during the sectional), but I honestly don't know how a very good 2A/3A established program like the Wildcats have been travelling. I only bring up Coach Goebel's squad because they often must play Saturday games during the tournament because of their geography and lack of (sharing...) a homefield. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basementbias Posted August 2, 2022 Share Posted August 2, 2022 (edited) 3 hours ago, Boilernation said: Does Ohio go neutral in the later rounds or does it start in round 1? They've changed it up by adding teams. I believe round 2 or 3 now but used to be for every week for the most part. I think a few circumstances can make the first 2 rounds now possible. I'll be learning for sure in about 5 years or so. Edited August 2, 2022 by Basementbias Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildcat1992 Posted August 2, 2022 Share Posted August 2, 2022 1 hour ago, hhpatriot04 said: Ask Mater Dei. I know how well Mater Dei used to travel on Friday nights (even during the sectional), but I honestly don't know how a very good 2A/3A established program like the Wildcats have been travelling. I only bring up Coach Goebel's squad because they often must play Saturday games during the tournament because of their geography and lack of (sharing...) a homefield. We traveled to Triton Central, Scenina and Indy in consecutive weeks (regional and SS were Friday night games) and we had huge crowds. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boilernation Posted August 2, 2022 Share Posted August 2, 2022 8 minutes ago, Wildcat1992 said: We traveled to Triton Central, Scenina and Indy in consecutive weeks (regional and SS were Friday night games) and we had huge crowds. Just my perception, but I think programs like Mater Dei, Memorial, Chatard, Cathedral, and possibly Dwenger are unique. They seem to have very loyal alums that stay connected to the program throughout their lives. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanteEstonia Posted August 2, 2022 Share Posted August 2, 2022 In my opinion, State Championship games should be hosted at one of the participant schools, just like it was before 1977. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hhpatriot04 Posted August 3, 2022 Share Posted August 3, 2022 2 hours ago, DanteEstonia said: In my opinion, State Championship games should be hosted at one of the participant schools, just like it was before 1977. Waiting for Mount Vernon (Posey) or South Spencer to make it... Although, both are now more accessible with I-69 and US-231. Some debate about which school is actually further south... If I recall the MV school district goes more southern than South Spencer, but the high school Reo is more southern than Mount Vernon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Titan32 Posted August 3, 2022 Share Posted August 3, 2022 16 hours ago, Boilernation said: Just my perception, but I think programs like Mater Dei, Memorial, Chatard, Cathedral, and possibly Dwenger are unique. They seem to have very loyal alums that stay connected to the program throughout their lives. I have seen some of those schools not travel as well as their public counterparts during tournament time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whiteshoes Posted August 3, 2022 Share Posted August 3, 2022 13 hours ago, DanteEstonia said: In my opinion, State Championship games should be hosted at one of the participant schools, just like it was before 1977. That's a great idea. That way we can sit through six games in sub-freezing weather on hard bleachers with inadequate restrooms and wait in long lines at concession stands. Sign me up!! 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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