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Contraction Bug Bites Again - Can you believe Munster?

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Credible sources have indicated that Munster has cancelled the remainder of its JV season due to low numbers

Shocking development

Long time Mustang HC Leroy Marsh just retired following the 2017 season

This surely kills off any notion of moving to the 6A dominated Duneland Conference

Very sad day for Region football fans

 

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1 hour ago, DrivenT said:

 

This surely kills off any notion of moving to the 6A dominated Duneland Conference

 

 

In fairness DT, this notion solely resided as a figment of your imagination. 

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11 minutes ago, Boilernation said:

In fairness DT, this notion solely resided as a figment of your imagination. 

Interestingly, the rumors still persist

 

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Lol, Boilernation is correct, no one outside of Driven T has heard of Munster going to or being invited to join the DAC. This is going for the past 10 years, the only school with an invite to the DAC has been Penn. 

Good "Hot Take" topic I guess. 

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unfortunately this is a trend

my wife works in an elementary school

for fun they polled the kids and asked them what is their favorite sports

not one male in her class said football (tennis and soccer were the popular ones)

today's trend!

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1 hour ago, DACNUT said:

Lol, Boilernation is correct, no one outside of Driven T has heard of Munster going to or being invited to join the DAC. This is going for the past 10 years, the only school with an invite to the DAC has been Penn. 

Good "Hot Take" topic I guess. 

Jim Peters has mentioned itin The NWI Times as a possibility. 

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I have heard that Cascade has cancelled some JV games as well because of low numbers. They have also had to combine their 7th and 8th grade teams because of low 8th grade numbers.

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Other sports are experiencing lack of participation as well. My son is running Cross Country as a 5th grader because only 2 jr. high students came out for the team.

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44 minutes ago, DrivenT said:

Jim Peters has mentioned itin The NWI Times as a possibility. 

I was speaking more of the AD's and principals who would extend the invite. I know they did with Penn several years ago, but not to Munster. Unless I hear differently from people in the know  Penn is the only school that would be accepted into the DAC. 

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41 minutes ago, POTLUCK said:

I have heard that Cascade has cancelled some JV games as well because of low numbers. They have also had to combine their 7th and 8th grade teams because of low 8th grade numbers.

Cascade's going to join the DAC?  Wait?  What?

Just now, Gipper said:

Cascade's going to join the DAC?  Wait?  What?

Just kidding...

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This is very concerning to me on a couple of levels.

First, on a personal level, I am a proud alumnus of Munster, and wore the red & white at a time when Munster was considered an elite program (see below). All 3 of my brothers went to Munster. Both my daughters are Munster grads and one still teaches in the system. It is hard for me to conceive that the program has fallen so far, given what it once was.

On a more general level, this is orders of magnitude more concerning to me than some of the other "contraction" anecdotes. Munster is not a small rural school with declining enrollment, or an urban school in the Rust Belt, victimized by flight to the suburbs. The town is still growing and there's room for further development. The school has 1,500 students. It's a vibrant community with plenty of resources. Munster's school system is perennially ranked among the very best in Indiana, and tops in the Region. That a school of this size, caliber, history and resources would not have enough players to field a JV team is a wake-up call for anyone paying attention.

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Yep, Munster's here to stay!!!  Go, 'Stangs

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Munster Community Hospital is at the very heart of this community. The town if filled with doctors, nurses, medical specialists, lawyers and other elites

The concussion factor and potential health ramifications likely resonate deeper with Munster residents than they do with neighboring communities

Also note that Hammond Noll, another contaction victim,is just a few miles away and historically draws students from Munster

 

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10 minutes ago, DrivenT said:

Munster Community Hospital is at the very heart of this community. The town if filled with doctors, nurses, medical specialists, lawyers and other elites

The concussion factor and potential health ramifications likely resonate deeper with Munster residents than they do with neighboring communities

Also note that Hammond Noll, another contaction victim,is just a few miles away and historically draws students from Munster

 

Nail, meet head.

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2 hours ago, DrivenT said:

Jim Peters has mentioned it in The NWI Times as a possibility. 

Jim Peters writes for the Michigan City News Dispatch now.  Just about the entire sports writing staff and The Times has moved on except for Al Hamnik who had the recap of the David VS. Goliath tilt.

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BD has had to cancel some freshmen games over the past year because of opposition having low numbers. 

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On 8/29/2018 at 12:17 PM, bobref said:

This is very concerning to me on a couple of levels.

First, on a personal level, I am a proud alumnus of Munster, and wore the red & white at a time when Munster was considered an elite program (see below). All 3 of my brothers went to Munster. Both my daughters are Munster grads and one still teaches in the system. It is hard for me to conceive that the program has fallen so far, given what it once was.

On a more general level, this is orders of magnitude more concerning to me than some of the other "contraction" anecdotes. Munster is not a small rural school with declining enrollment, or an urban school in the Rust Belt, victimized by flight to the suburbs. The town is still growing and there's room for further development. The school has 1,500 students. It's a vibrant community with plenty of resources. Munster's school system is perennially ranked among the very best in Indiana, and tops in the Region. That a school of this size, caliber, history and resources would not have enough players to field a JV team is a wake-up call for anyone paying attention.

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Is that you Bob?  Wow, you would have made a fine underwear model.

 

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1 hour ago, Muda69 said:

Is that you Bob?  Wow, you would have made a fine underwear model.

 

Yes, that’s me. And what makes you think I wasn’t? :57_v:

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Here is the thing and it's already been said...

low numbers for most sports

football however you must have numbers to compete. 

A 5A or 6A school can't field a team with 35 players and be in anyway competetive

You can have low numbers in golf or tennis, or baseball and basketball for that matter. 

They would have to cut kids though if they were competeting in Fortnite. 

I don't believe it's just football it's a wide spread epidemic in our country. And at our school there are even low numbers in the band. 

In football at Bedford North Lawrence we combined our three middle schools and have 80+ kids out in 7th & 8th Grade. 25 Freshmen and 63 10-12. Still not huge numbers for a 5A School but Head Coach Steve Weber has stayed the course and I believe a traditionally basketball school is actually on the upswing in football. 

Football takes hard work in the season and in the weight room year around. A lot of kids (and parents) just don't want to do that in 2018. 

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20 minutes ago, Starbacker said:

Here is the thing and it's already been said...

low numbers for most sports

football however you must have numbers to compete. 

A 5A or 6A school can't field a team with 35 players and be in anyway competetive

You can have low numbers in golf or tennis, or baseball and basketball for that matter. 

They would have to cut kids though if they were competeting in Fortnite. 

I don't believe it's just football it's a wide spread epidemic in our country. And at our school there are even low numbers in the band. 

In football at Bedford North Lawrence we combined our three middle schools and have 80+ kids out in 7th & 8th Grade. 25 Freshmen and 63 10-12. Still not huge numbers for a 5A School but Head Coach Steve Weber has stayed the course and I believe a traditionally basketball school is actually on the upswing in football. 

Football takes hard work in the season and in the weight room year around. A lot of kids (and parents) just don't want to do that in 2018. 

The data don’t really support the “low numbers for all sports” explanation. The most recent NFHS sports participation survey shows that participation numbers in high school sports increased, for the 28th consecutive year. However, it is believed that the bulk of the increase was in women’s sports. I think we have to face the fact that it’s a football specific problem. I believe it’s a combination of the concussion scare and the fact that there are year round demands now being placed on football players. Perhaps in the quest for a better caliber of football, we’ve unwittingly shot ourselves in the foot. The law of unintended consequences is unbreakable.

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Face it region football is trash you have Whiting, Lowell, and Mc if you count them as part of the region. The rest of the teams are in a severe decline. It’s sad because I played or was coached by most of the coaches in the region at Valpo U.

 

 

 

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35 minutes ago, Whiting89 said:

Face it region football is trash you have Whiting, Lowell, and Mc if you count them as part of the region. The rest of the teams are in a severe decline. It’s sad because I played or was coached by most of the coaches in the region at Valpo U.

 

 

 

MC is not "Region"

Technically, neither is Lowell

The "unofficial "southern border of The Region is Route 30.  North to Lake Michigan.  West to Illinois border.  East to Portage.

 

 

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7 hours ago, DrivenT said:

MC is not "Region"

Technically, neither is Lowell

The "unofficial "southern border of The Region is Route 30.  North to Lake Michigan.  West to Illinois border.  East to Portage.

 

 

So Chesterton and Valpo are not in “The Region?” Interesting.

The Region is actually short for the Calumet Region, a name given to the area encompassing the watershed of the Grand Calumet and Little Calumet Rivers. It includes Lake and Porter Counties, as well as Western LaPorte County in Indiana, and much of Cook and Will Counties in Illinois. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calumet_Region

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12 hours ago, Whiting89 said:

Face it region football is trash you have Whiting, Lowell, and Mc if you count them as part of the region. The rest of the teams are in a severe decline. It’s sad because I played or was coached by most of the coaches in the region at Valpo U.

 

 

 

Region football has always been cyclical.  Andrean, Whiting, La Porte, Lowell and to some extent New Prairie and Renselaer all have made recent appearances in the state football finals.  Michigan City just fell a touchdown shy of making it last season and it looks like they are going to make another deep run.

I like what the guy said about not having any contraction issues when it comes to playing fortnite.

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4 hours ago, bobref said:

So Chesterton and Valpo are not in “The Region?” Interesting.

The Region is actually short for the Calumet Region, a name given to the area encompassing the watershed of the Grand Calumet and Little Calumet Rivers. It includes Lake and Porter Counties, as well as Western LaPorte County in Indiana, and much of Cook and Will Counties in Illinois. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calumet_Region

The Region has both geographic boundaries and cultural boundaries.

The geographic boundaries are outlined per bobref's wiki posting.

The cultural boundaries have moved significantly over the years, as Lake County residents have migrated south.  The rust belt communities of Hammond , Gary and East Chicago were at  the heart of the 'Cultural Region" in the mid 20th century.  Rust belt city residents wanted to retain their "Region Identity" as they migrated south, so the line moved continuously over the years.  I remember hearing Dan Dakich talk about this on his radio show in Indy.  

I doubt many Michigan City or Rensselaer residents consider themselves "Region."  

Chesterton and Valpo kids today have probably never even heard of the term.   😀

 

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