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8 hours ago, Footballking16 said:

And lost in the most Indiana fashion as possible. And honestly that’s not what stings the most. What stings the most is what has continuously plagued IU for several years; terrible red zone execution and ****Wag MY little bitty worm.**** poor special teams. Gritty comeback by IU but doesn’t salvage the fact that IU likely isn’t making a bowl, which was goal #1. 

DeBored has to go. I understand Ramsey isn’t the greatest vertical threat but red zone play calling and execution is abhorrent and again cost Indiana a game. Throwing fades on third and short with a 230 lb back who falls forward on every play is unacceptable. I absolutely despise the conservative play calling and playing not to lose mentality. It should not take a 22 point fourth quarter deficit for the play calling to finally start getting aggressive.  

I’m still going to give Allen one more year before I put him on the hot seat, but he absolutely must address his staff this offseason. It stinks that Penix tore his ACL last week, but he’s the future and IU needs an OC who fits his vertical strengths.

Agreed on all counts!!! Just a disgusting display of football for 3 quarters then they wake up and play for 13 minutes and then inexplicably give up a 70 yard td pass with less then 2 minutes to go to lose it.... Sickening!!!

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If the announcers were correct last night, IU lost to the youngest roster in FBS, as Minnesota has a roster of 52% frosh.

The state’s 2 Big 10 football teams are moving in opposite directions. 

It takes tremendous resolve to be an IU football fan. 

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27 minutes ago, Trojan Dad said:

If the announcers were correct last night, IU lost to the youngest roster in FBS, as Minnesota has a roster of 52% frosh.

The state’s 2 Big 10 football teams are moving in opposite directions. 

It takes tremendous resolve to be an IU football fan. 

Allen is a young man. I can see him in this job for 15 years. It will be Year 5 when his program and recruits are fully entrenched and IU can make a move up to the next tier in the conference. (Michigan State - Iowa-Northwestern-Maryland)

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6 hours ago, DrivenT said:

Allen is a young man. I can see him in this job for 15 years. It will be Year 5 when his program and recruits are fully entrenched and IU can make a move up to the next tier in the conference. (Michigan State - Iowa-Northwestern-Maryland)

I guess only time will tell.  Sometimes to me he seems overmatched as a head coach.  He should have jerked a knot in his O coordinator's tail last night.  I am also not sold on his philosophy for QB play.

But, I hope he succeeds and is there for 15 years plus....continuing to change head coaches is not a good plan.

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Seems like IU football has been off the radar for an eternity.  Not sure that is such a good thing given all the attention they are getting in West Lafayette, which hugely impacts recruiting.

I see the Hoosiers are chasing after a juco lineman from California who is interested in Bloomington due to the good seasonal weather and lower gas prices.  LOL

https://247sports.com/college/indiana/Article/Juco-OL-excited-about-Indiana-offer-124189073/

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Purdue beating Iowa after Indiana lost to Iowa convincingly is not a good sign either...

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Heard Kevin Wilson on Columbus radio this morning talking about the OSU offense.  I was always a fan of Coach Wilson.  I believe he was the best coach IU has had since the departure of Bill Mallory.  Indiana teams were fun to watch.  Lots of individual talent, and competitive for the most part within the conference.

Frankly, I think he got a bad rap with regards to the player mistreatment issue.  This came completely out of nowhere.  There were no prior signs of any issues within the program.  

Wilson was playing with the cards stacked against him.  He had to push his team to the limit to even have a chance to compete against the BT East.  I thought he did a terrific job, and he clearly landed on his feet, on the staff of one of the elite programs in the nation.

IU has regressed significantly offensively, and the individual talent that Wilson developed during his time in Bloomington is nowhere to be found on this current roster.  Yes, Allen's defense is better, but nowhere near good enough to offset the falloff in offensive production, and threat.

 

 

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22 hours ago, DrivenT said:

Heard Kevin Wilson on Columbus radio this morning talking about the OSU offense.  I was always a fan of Coach Wilson.  I believe he was the best coach IU has had since the departure of Bill Mallory.  Indiana teams were fun to watch.  Lots of individual talent, and competitive for the most part within the conference.

 

Now that's an area we don't align DT.  Very challenged defensive teams.  Could score points, but consistently had the worst ranked D in the Big 10 and near the bottom of D1.  Was not good dealing with the media.  Struggled with player relations...and that eventually cost him his job.

Great coordinator....do not consider him a great head coach....

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1 minute ago, Trojan Dad said:

Now that's an area we don't align DT.  Very challenged defensive teams.  Could score points, but consistently had the worst ranked D in the Big 10 and near the bottom of D1.  Was not good dealing with the media.

Great coordinator....do not consider him a great head coach....

Who was better?

Cam Cameron   18-37

Gerry DiNardo    8-27

Terry Hoeppner     9-14

Bill Lynch         19-30

Kevin Wilson   18-38

Tom Allen    9-12

Not exactly a group of Hall of Famers

 

 

 

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13 hours ago, Trojan Dad said:

Now that's an area we don't align DT.  Very challenged defensive teams.  Could score points, but consistently had the worst ranked D in the Big 10 and near the bottom of D1.  Was not good dealing with the media.  Struggled with player relations...and that eventually cost him his job.

Great coordinator....do not consider him a great head coach....

I would like you or driven to look at Kevin Wilson’s hires of defensive coordinators his first 4 years at Indiana. These were top notch “D” coaches.I don't disagree, that defense was a problem, but was constantly addressed by Wilson’s hires. One year and done ,two years and done, they went to programs that actually paid top assistants what they were worth. Until Fred Glass anted up, to hire Allen. I agree with “Not good with dealing with the media”  this. Only thing Coach Wilson had problems with. The public relation side of being a head coach.  Thus the perception of “odd ball” bad coach, not a good person. To be realistic, no one would’ve been hired by a high profile program if theses perceptions were true. We’re finding that Wilson’s coaching isn’t any worse than Allen’s so far.

Be that as it is, Coach Wilson was not wanted by Fred Glass anymore. Fred is the boss. 

I have always felt Tom Allen should have declined the head job at Indiana, to better his career. 

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7 hours ago, southend said:

I would like you or driven to look at Kevin Wilson’s hires of defensive coordinators his first 4 years at Indiana. These were top notch “D” coaches.I don't disagree, that defense was a problem, but was constantly addressed by Wilson’s hires. One year and done ,two years and done, they went to programs that actually paid top assistants what they were worth. Until Fred Glass anted up, to hire Allen. I agree with “Not good with dealing with the media”  this. Only thing Coach Wilson had problems with. The public relation side of being a head coach.  Thus the perception of “odd ball” bad coach, not a good person. To be realistic, no one would’ve been hired by a high profile program if theses perceptions were true. We’re finding that Wilson’s coaching isn’t any worse than Allen’s so far.

Be that as it is, Coach Wilson was not wanted by Fred Glass anymore. Fred is the boss. 

I have always felt Tom Allen should have declined the head job at Indiana, to better his career. 

Allen and Wilson have two very different approaches in terms of building the IU football program.

Wilson chose the all out aerial attack approach, and recruited to the skill positions to execute his offense.  His approach attracted several high end athletes, who are now playing in the NFL at various positions.  Wilsons running backs also were very successful.  It was arguably the highest performing IU offensive attack in the history of the program.  Very entertaining, and clearly kept IU in many games in which it would previously have been uncompetitive.

Wilson, no doubt, neglected his defense, which ultimately cost him his job.  I think a few more years on the job, and he would have had the defensive side addressed to complement his fine tuned offense.  With Allen on staff, that was the plan.  

Also note that IUs offense was a recruiting magnet, as Wilson's reputation for developing talent was well known and lots of skill players came to Bloomington from all across the country.

Allen is taking a different approach.  He has deemphasized the air game and wants more balance and wants IU to be a rushing first program, like Wisconsin. .  This is a strategic decision of his, and frankly, I think it will be very difficult to attain.  Indiana high schools do not produce much in terms of D1 offensive linemen.  Wisconsin linemen are typically homegrown.  IU linemen are smaller and less physical, and the roster lacks the depth to compete against the top programs in the league.  I don't see how IU can expect to go head to head in the BT week after week behind a rush first attack, being so outmanned in the trenches.

Allens defense will make the program more competitive, but we have yet to see where it has come thru against a top tier program in the conference.  The Iowa game was especially concerning as the Hoosiers were manhandled on both sides of the ball.

Allen is also focusing his recruiting on Florida and the southeast, basically taking the leftover kids that are not signed by the SEC and ACC schools.  He does not appear to be recruiting Illinois, Ohio and Michigan, and Purdue and UK own Kentucky at this time, which is producing a lot of talent, much more than Indiana.

IU needs a win badly today, as Michigan and Purdue are ahead on the schedule and the Hoosiers will be big dogs in both games.  5-7 with 2 Big wins looks much better than 4-8 and 1-8.  

 

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On 10/27/2018 at 8:53 AM, Trojan Dad said:

If the announcers were correct last night, IU lost to the youngest roster in FBS, as Minnesota has a roster of 52% frosh.

The state’s 2 Big 10 football teams are moving in opposite directions. 

It takes tremendous resolve to be an IU football fan. 

Purdue is losing 34-3 to Minnesota going into the 4th quarter.  Maybe Minnesota is better than people are giving them credit for?  

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1 hour ago, meabull said:

Purdue is losing 34-3 to Minnesota going into the 4th quarter.  Maybe Minnesota is better than people are giving them credit for?  

Perhaps, but Minnesota lost 55-31 to a 4-6 Illinois team last week. 

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Good win vs Maryland today. The last few years against the Terps have been high scoring, crazy games and this no exception. 5-5 with 2 games left and the Purdue games looks very winnable as they  got thrashed by Minnesota...

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I didn't watch this game today.  Was watching Ohio State/Michigan State  instead.  I'd check on the score on commercial breaks.  I believe at one point IU was up 21 - 3 or 6.  Something like that.  I saw the final score was only 2 points and that they had to kick a field goal near the end of the game to win.  I posted a couple of weeks ago it would be crazy if Purdue and IU played the Bucket Game with a bowl on the line for both teams.  Looks like maybe that might happen.  Purdue looked like an overmatched high school team against the Gophers yesterday.  Nowhere near the team that took down Ohio State.  So the early storyline for the Bucket Game is:  which teams show up for the game?

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On 10/20/2018 at 6:59 PM, Reb08 said:

And they will win one of those, Maryland.  5-7.  Pretty much another season like the last six.  Tough to watch.

Still believe this to be true.  Purdue will beat Indiana.  Iu really needs Purdue to win this week, but I honestly don't think it will matter.  Both teams are 5-5, but it's a much different 5-5.

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On 11/10/2018 at 10:04 AM, DrivenT said:

Allen and Wilson have two very different approaches in terms of building the IU football program.

Wilson chose the all out aerial attack approach, and recruited to the skill positions to execute his offense.  His approach attracted several high end athletes, who are now playing in the NFL at various positions.  Wilsons running backs also were very successful.  It was arguably the highest performing IU offensive attack in the history of the program.  Very entertaining, and clearly kept IU in many games in which it would previously have been uncompetitive.

Wilson, no doubt, neglected his defense, which ultimately cost him his job.  I think a few more years on the job, and he would have had the defensive side addressed to complement his fine tuned offense.  With Allen on staff, that was the plan.  

Also note that IUs offense was a recruiting magnet, as Wilson's reputation for developing talent was well known and lots of skill players came to Bloomington from all across the country.

Allen is taking a different approach.  He has deemphasized the air game and wants more balance and wants IU to be a rushing first program, like Wisconsin. .  This is a strategic decision of his, and frankly, I think it will be very difficult to attain.  Indiana high schools do not produce much in terms of D1 offensive linemen.  Wisconsin linemen are typically homegrown.  IU linemen are smaller and less physical, and the roster lacks the depth to compete against the top programs in the league.  I don't see how IU can expect to go head to head in the BT week after week behind a rush first attack, being so outmanned in the trenches.

Allens defense will make the program more competitive, but we have yet to see where it has come thru against a top tier program in the conference.  The Iowa game was especially concerning as the Hoosiers were manhandled on both sides of the ball.

Allen is also focusing his recruiting on Florida and the southeast, basically taking the leftover kids that are not signed by the SEC and ACC schools.  He does not appear to be recruiting Illinois, Ohio and Michigan, and Purdue and UK own Kentucky at this time, which is producing a lot of talent, much more than Indiana.

IU needs a win badly today, as Michigan and Purdue are ahead on the schedule and the Hoosiers will be big dogs in both games.  5-7 with 2 Big wins looks much better than 4-8 and 1-8.  

 

Out of the 21 offensive lineman indiana has. 14 are not from Indiana.

Indiana has 25 kids from Ohio, Michigan and Illinois.

Purdue has 17 from Ohio, Michigan and Illinois.

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29 minutes ago, WinamacFan09er said:

Out of the 21 offensive lineman indiana has. 14 are not from Indiana.

Indiana has 25 kids from Ohio, Michigan and Illinois.

Purdue has 17 from Ohio, Michigan and Illinois.

Wilson is an Ohio guy, and he recruited the state hard.

Purdue's Ohio recruits are much higher rated than are IUs

 

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23 minutes ago, DrivenT said:

Wilson is an Ohio guy, and he recruited the state hard.

Purdue's Ohio recruits are much higher rated than are IUs

 

Did Purdue a lot of good when they lose to Eastern Michigan and Minnesota...

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The book is already out on Brohm.  He is seen as a turnaround specialist who can operate at the highest levels of either college football or the NFL.  

The losses will have no impact on his future prospects.

Allen is still viewed as an unproven commodity and will remain so until he puts up a few signature wins.  

 

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On 11/10/2018 at 10:04 AM, DrivenT said:

Indiana high schools do not produce much in terms of D1 offensive linemen. 

 

Must be the water.

 

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6 hours ago, Muda69 said:

Must be the water.

 

Apparently we are exporting to much of our food production to other countries.  Trump tariffs may however change that .

 

 

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