Impartial_Observer Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 16 minutes ago, DumfriesYMCA said: Are you a ref or just visiting? i only ask because I want to know how a kicker can be called offsides on a kickoff happened twice last night and I’m just thinking to myself “how is that even possible?” Lol By rule the kicker and the holder may be beyond K’s Free Kick Line. The kicker was not called twice for being “offsides”. K was called twice for pop up kicks. In talking with the coach it seems just misexecuted squib kicks. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DumfriesYMCA Posted September 10, 2022 Author Share Posted September 10, 2022 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Impartial_Observer said: By rule the kicker and the holder may be beyond K’s Free Kick Line. The kicker was not called twice for being “offsides”. K was called twice for pop up kicks. In talking with the coach it seems just misexecuted squib kicks. Thanks for the clarification. The radio call kept saying it was offsides on the kicker. and I didn’t know they made a rule for those kicks or had a name for them. It makes me happy that it’s no longer allowed. From a personal perspective, I had my leg broken in high school because of a “pop up” kick Edited September 10, 2022 by DumfriesYMCA 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Impartial_Observer Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 Aside from that did we do OK? Pretty easy game to work. Players played, coaches coached, we did our thing. Always a great atmosphere at GS. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DumfriesYMCA Posted September 10, 2022 Author Share Posted September 10, 2022 34 minutes ago, Impartial_Observer said: Aside from that did we do OK? Pretty easy game to work. Players played, coaches coached, we did our thing. Always a great atmosphere at GS. I mean I almost always just listen to the radio call so it really depends how they call the game. from what I could tell South Warren had a lot of false starts and a few offsides. Then there were some that were bonehead plays like late hits or unsportsmanlike At times the broadcasters thought that there should have been some DPIs against SW. that was about it but I don’t think the broadcasters knew that there is a 4 ⭐️ DB on south warren and a number of other college worthy kids on that defense. It’s more likely that those kids were just great athletes and it was a bang bang play on the ball my take away was that GS was much more disciplined than SW. most of SWs calls were entirely preventable. GS on the other hand had I believe 1 false start and 1 holding call outside of the kickoff issue so it was a pretty clean game. I feel like the game was called fair. I’m biased to GS but I don’t think anyone can argue that the refs didn’t call a fair game. Most of the penalties were essentially presnap including the illegal kicks. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Titan20 Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 On 9/10/2022 at 3:41 PM, Impartial_Observer said: Aside from that did we do OK? Pretty easy game to work. Players played, coaches coached, we did our thing. Always a great atmosphere at GS. Aside from some on the crew saying in interstate games you can’t call everything because KY schools are more lax on certain things. Felt like officiating improved during the game once it was obvious it wasn’t going to be a blow out. Hope Roncalli is aware of the look the other way approach before it’s game with Male. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Impartial_Observer Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 11 minutes ago, Titan20 said: Aside from some on the crew saying in interstate games you can’t call everything because KY schools are more lax on certain things. Felt like officiating improved during the game once it was obvious it wasn’t going to be a blow out. Hope Roncalli is aware of the look the other way approach before it’s game with Male. Good luck at Southridge. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tango Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 1 hour ago, Titan20 said: Aside from some on the crew saying in interstate games you can’t call everything because KY schools are more lax on certain things. Felt like officiating improved during the game once it was obvious it wasn’t going to be a blow out. Hope Roncalli is aware of the look the other way approach before it’s game with Male. I'm curious as to how that is possible? I get (and welcome) refs being more lax on penalties in a lower level (MS, frosh, etc.) game, but not at the varsity level. Besides, the game was in IN.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Impartial_Observer Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 31 minutes ago, tango said: I'm curious as to how that is possible? I get (and welcome) refs being more lax on penalties in a lower level (MS, frosh, etc.) game, but not at the varsity level. Besides, the game was in IN.. In my experience historically it’s handled in pregame. Today we have email. An email to coaches and AD’s, listing known differences. For instance KY has adopted extended team boxes period, in Indiana it’s the home team’s discretion, and in four weeks no one has used it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hhpatriot04 Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 1 minute ago, Impartial_Observer said: In my experience historically it’s handled in pregame. Today we have email. An email to coaches and AD’s, listing known differences. For instance KY has adopted extended team boxes period, in Indiana it’s the home team’s discretion, and in four weeks no one has used it. What's the rule? I believe Cathedral used them at Chatard last week. Extended boxes were used at LoS in Week 1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Impartial_Observer Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 Just now, hhpatriot04 said: What's the rule? I believe Cathedral used them at Chatard last week. Extended boxes were used at LoS in Week 1. Home team’s option. My guess is schools that dress 100 kids would use it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crimsonace1 Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 On 9/10/2022 at 4:33 PM, DumfriesYMCA said: Thanks for the clarification. The radio call kept saying it was offsides on the kicker. and I didn’t know they made a rule for those kicks or had a name for them. It makes me happy that it’s no longer allowed. From a personal perspective, I had my leg broken in high school because of a “pop up” kick The signal for offside on a kickoff is the offside signal. I believe the signal for an illegal kick (e.g., a popup kick) is illegal procedure, which *is not* offside (but I'm assuming the announcers are used to seeing that signal as a false start and don't realize it is used for several other fouls, including illegal formation and an illegal free kick, such as a kickoff out of bounds). Something tells me the announcers confused the two signals and announced it wrong. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobref Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 5 minutes ago, crimsonace1 said: The signal for offside on a kickoff is the offside signal. I believe the signal for an illegal kick (e.g., a popup kick) is illegal procedure, which *is not* offside (but I'm assuming the announcers are used to seeing that signal as a false start and don't realize it is used for several other fouls, including illegal formation and an illegal free kick, such as a kickoff out of bounds). Something tells me the announcers confused the two signals and announced it wrong. Every public address announcer in the state should immediately be advised, upon pain of termination: There is no “offsides” foul in high school. The foul is encroachment. There is no such thing as “illegal procedure.” As was pointed out above, Signal #19 covers a multitude of sins. You can usually figure out which one it is from context. But if you want certainty, have the booster club spring for a Referee’s field mike. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DumfriesYMCA Posted September 13, 2022 Author Share Posted September 13, 2022 7 minutes ago, crimsonace1 said: The signal for offside on a kickoff is the offside signal. I believe the signal for an illegal kick (e.g., a popup kick) is illegal procedure, which *is not* offside (but I'm assuming the announcers are used to seeing that signal as a false start and don't realize it is used for several other fouls, including illegal formation and an illegal free kick, such as a kickoff out of bounds). Something tells me the announcers confused the two signals and announced it wrong. Yeah GS has new radio broadcasters this year. I think they are college kids at WVC where the station broadcasts from. i think they got mixed up and didn’t know any better which led to my confusion. kinda lucked out that one of the refs there is on this forum to clear things up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Henson Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 GS is humming along. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hhpatriot04 Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 26 minutes ago, Impartial_Observer said: Home team’s option. My guess is schools that dress 100 kids would use it. No, I mean, what is the new rule? Where are the teams allowed to stand? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crimsonace1 Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 2 minutes ago, hhpatriot04 said: No, I mean, what is the new rule? Where are the teams allowed to stand? Normal team box is 25-to-25. Home team can opt for the team boxes to extend from 10-to-10 (as was legal during the COVID year). Last week, our opponent opted for the 10-to-10 team box but it appeared neither team really used it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hhpatriot04 Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 7 minutes ago, crimsonace1 said: Normal team box is 25-to-25. Home team can opt for the team boxes to extend from 10-to-10 (as was legal during the COVID year). Last week, our opponent opted for the 10-to-10 team box but it appeared neither team really used it. Cathedral was stretched from about the 20 to the other goal line last week at Chatard. It made it impossible to shoot from the visitors' sideline. I think there should be a limit to the number of players who can dress. I digress, this is off topic. Go Titans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cappy Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 28 minutes ago, crimsonace1 said: Normal team box is 25-to-25. Home team can opt for the team boxes to extend from 10-to-10 (as was legal during the COVID year). Last week, our opponent opted for the 10-to-10 team box but it appeared neither team really used it. Can only the players go from 10 to 10 and coaches still use the 25 to 25? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FastpacedO Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 1 hour ago, hhpatriot04 said: Cathedral was stretched from about the 20 to the other goal line last week at Chatard. It made it impossible to shoot from the visitors' sideline. I think there should be a limit to the number of players who can dress. I digress, this is off topic. Go Titans. Entire broadcast showed them from about the 20 to the 35. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzoron Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 1 hour ago, Impartial_Observer said: Home team’s option. My guess is schools that dress 100 kids would use it. Is that the reason for the rule change? Too many kids? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Impartial_Observer Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 23 minutes ago, gonzoron said: Is that the reason for the rule change? Too many kids? It was extended to the 10’s in 2020 for social distancing. It has been added to the rule book per state adoption. Nothing has really chances other than it’s now in the rule book. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzoron Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 3 minutes ago, Impartial_Observer said: It was extended to the 10’s in 2020 for social distancing. It has been added to the rule book per state adoption. Nothing has really chances other than it’s now in the rule book. Just means this old man has to climb higher in the bleachers. I do think I need to change my name to Oldmanlowpants though……. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobref Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 2 hours ago, Cappy said: Can only the players go from 10 to 10 and coaches still use the 25 to 25? That is correct, but not all schools have elected to extend the team box. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DumfriesYMCA Posted September 13, 2022 Author Share Posted September 13, 2022 I’ve always wondered why do we have the rule of players in the box on the sidelines. like I just don’t see the problem if they were outside the box…then again when I played I was always getting yelled at because I would be hyped up on the sideline and next thing ya know im at like the 15/10 yard line and coach was yelling at me to get back lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobref Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 1 hour ago, DumfriesYMCA said: I’ve always wondered why do we have the rule of players in the box on the sidelines. like I just don’t see the problem if they were outside the box…then again when I played I was always getting yelled at because I would be hyped up on the sideline and next thing ya know im at like the 15/10 yard line and coach was yelling at me to get back lol I love it when a question answers itself. 🤣😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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