fenderbender Posted December 6, 2022 Share Posted December 6, 2022 10 hours ago, temptation said: WR: Joe Walker - Warren Central QB: Mason Wunderlich - Ev. Mater Dei RB: Micah Coyle - Center Grove TE: George Burhenn - Mt. Vernon OL: Leighton Jones - Brownsburg DL: Josh Mickens - Lawrence Central LB: Drayk Bowen - Andrean DB: Dillon Thienemann - Westfield K: Elijah Slibeck - Warren Central Who did Roncalli piss off? It is not the first time. Mike Bohn led the nation in rushing in 1993 while leading Roncalli to a State title. Award went to an O-lineman. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
temptation Posted December 6, 2022 Author Share Posted December 6, 2022 11 minutes ago, StatQueen said: No way. This is a ridiculous take. Stop. Ask some officials how different a game is between Brownsburg vs BD... and a Roncalli vs. EC game. They'll tell you straight up. Roncalli was awesome this year... but just stop with this ridiculousness. NC would have running clocked Southport. So would have Pike. You obviously have no idea. NC wouldn’t have running clocked Southport MIDDLE SCHOOL. 11 minutes ago, StatQueen said: No way. This is a ridiculous take. Stop. Ask some officials how different a game is between Brownsburg vs BD... and a Roncalli vs. EC game. They'll tell you straight up. Roncalli was awesome this year... but just stop with this ridiculousness. NC would have running clocked Southport. So would have Pike. You obviously have no idea. NC wouldn’t have running clocked Southport MIDDLE SCHOOL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donnie Baker Posted December 6, 2022 Share Posted December 6, 2022 2 minutes ago, fenderbender said: It is not the first time. Mike Bohn led the nation in rushing in 1993 while leading Roncalli to a State title. Award went to an O-lineman. Bo what’s his name. He was a badass but was burnt out on football by his sophomore season at IU. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
temptation Posted December 6, 2022 Author Share Posted December 6, 2022 (edited) 12 minutes ago, StatQueen said: 12 minutes ago, StatQueen said: Edited December 6, 2022 by temptation Double post Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DumfriesYMCA Posted December 6, 2022 Share Posted December 6, 2022 Haven’t we been here before? CG player nominated…CG fans saying they wouldn’t have won state without that player cg fans saying stats don’t matter long arguments about stats to follow. after a while insert discussion about how the best players are sometimes OL and they never get a shot at this award Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodney Posted December 6, 2022 Share Posted December 6, 2022 Coyle should definitely win it at this point, it would be an absolute travesty if he didn't Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HomeCookin Posted December 6, 2022 Share Posted December 6, 2022 2 hours ago, The TW said: Luke Hansen objectively had the better season. CG and Roncalli had two common opponents, Columbus North and Franklin Central. Coyle had 52 carries for 193 yards and 2 TD. Hansen had 61 carries for 489 yards and 6 TDs (plus 2 receptions for 66 yards and another score). The comparison gets uglier when you start looking at Coyle’s numbers against Trinity and Hansen’s numbers against Elder and Male (Male beat Trinity and Elder beat St X that also beat Trinity). In the end, Coach Moore carries the day. It is what it is. Luke is already on to wrestling. Coyle had 268yds in those 2 games. CG called off the dogs against CN and FC played the only way they could even stay close against CG. 3yds a carry and going for it on every 4th down. What no one mentions is that CG was on the 2 yard line when they took a couple knees to end the game. The score was closer than the game. I would say that every team plays a little harder in the tournament since it is going to be their last game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fenderbender Posted December 6, 2022 Share Posted December 6, 2022 Interesting tidbit: Luers, Chartard, Roncalli and Cathedral have a combined 51 football state titles. 5 Mr. Footballs from those teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slobberknocker Posted December 6, 2022 Share Posted December 6, 2022 6 minutes ago, DumfriesYMCA said: Haven’t we been here before? CG player nominated…CG fans saying they wouldn’t have won state without that player cg fans saying stats don’t matter long arguments about stats to follow. after a while insert discussion about how the best players are sometimes OL and they never get a shot at this award So you say CG would have won state without Coyle and my statement is false. Also, if I had a vote I would of voted for Hansen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HomeCookin Posted December 6, 2022 Share Posted December 6, 2022 9 minutes ago, DumfriesYMCA said: Haven’t we been here before? CG player nominated…CG fans saying they wouldn’t have won state without that player cg fans saying stats don’t matter long arguments about stats to follow. after a while insert discussion about how the best players are sometimes OL and they never get a shot at this award I think CG would’ve won state without Coyle, but in much closer games. He made them dominate at the end of the season because he improved his game to the next level! For the record: I would take CG’s O-line against the field almost every year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grover Posted December 6, 2022 Share Posted December 6, 2022 1 hour ago, temptation said: Roncalli blew out Male, who beat Trinity, who beat CG. Cathedral beat Center Grove who beat Cathedral. Therefore Cathedral is better than Cathedral. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grover Posted December 6, 2022 Share Posted December 6, 2022 18 minutes ago, DumfriesYMCA said: Haven’t we been here before? CG player nominated…CG fans saying they wouldn’t have won state without that player cg fans saying stats don’t matter long arguments about stats to follow. after a while insert discussion about how the best players are sometimes OL and they never get a shot at this award Nobody said stats don't matter. I said they aren't the only thing that matters. If they were then we'd just give out the award to the leading rusher or passer every year. I did say defensive stats don't matter because they don't. This is a running back award. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justasportsfan Posted December 6, 2022 Share Posted December 6, 2022 28 minutes ago, fenderbender said: It is not the first time. Mike Bohn led the nation in rushing in 1993 while leading Roncalli to a State title. Award went to an O-lineman. 😳 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The TW Posted December 6, 2022 Share Posted December 6, 2022 Bohn also broke the state season rushing record, and the team went undefeated while besting 7 previously undefeated teams. and he only played in 40 quarters (3,165 yards) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bash Riprock Posted December 6, 2022 Share Posted December 6, 2022 21 minutes ago, Grover said: Cathedral beat Center Grove who beat Cathedral. Therefore Cathedral is better than Cathedral. I’m following…. But who got more free lunches?? That’s what really matters!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzoron Posted December 6, 2022 Share Posted December 6, 2022 1 hour ago, Donnie Baker said: Bo what’s his name. Cephus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The TW Posted December 6, 2022 Share Posted December 6, 2022 Even I would have voted for Bocephus over Bohn. He was born to boogie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHJIrish Posted December 6, 2022 Share Posted December 6, 2022 IMO, the real travesty is Jaron Tibbs not being named as Mr. Football Wide Receiver. He was the best wide receiver in the state of Indiana! Oh well, maybe he'll be named Mr. Football. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DumfriesYMCA Posted December 6, 2022 Share Posted December 6, 2022 2 hours ago, Slobberknocker said: So you say CG would have won state without Coyle and my statement is false. Also, if I had a vote I would have voted for Hansen. All I’m saying is that for 3 years CG has won state and for 3 years I’ve read in the weeks after “we wouldn’t have won state without so and so and this is why they should win ____ award” like….CG is a phenomenal program…you could be here next year saying the same thing with a 4 peat….it’s not a one man show…it’s a powerhouse it’s just funny to me that it’s 3 years straight of the exact same thing. Not a bad thing, just funny to me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
temptation Posted December 6, 2022 Author Share Posted December 6, 2022 6 hours ago, PHJIrish said: IMO, the real travesty is Jaron Tibbs not being named as Mr. Football Wide Receiver. He was the best wide receiver in the state of Indiana! Oh well, maybe he'll be named Mr. Football. Impossible now. These are your nominees. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FastpacedO Posted December 6, 2022 Share Posted December 6, 2022 (edited) 9 hours ago, Slobberknocker said: So you say CG would have won state without Coyle and my statement is false. Also, if I had a vote I would of voted for Hansen. Yes they would have. Coyle great kid and had a terrific season. I would bet money there are 3 other RB's behind him that know Coach Moore's Wing T system and can run it in their sleep (they've only been doing it since the 2nd or 3rd grade). Wheat went down Coyle stepped up. Thomeson was moved from defense to offense. Regardless of any of that Hansen still had 1,008 more rushing yards in 1 less game (and yes the dogs were called off in games at Roncalli too just like CG) and 13 more TD's. Both were even in receiving yards as well. ANyone that says stats don't matter for a position award is fooling themselves While some CG fans were very upset Russ Yeast did not win Mr. Football over Hunter Johnson, that was less of a travesty than Luke Hansen not being the RB award and it isn't even to the Mr. Football award. When talking schedule strength do NOT use Sagarin as Sagarin does not take Out of State opponents into consideration (good or bad). If you want to debate Strength of Schedule you should look at Calpreps (which takes all opponents into consideration). Roncalli's SOS was 20.5 and Center Grove's was 36.8 (lower the number better the SOS) Roncalli's opponents were 108-62 Center Grove's were 83-74. (Shortridge, Attucks, and Southport definitely brought down Roncalli's SOS both teams had no choice in who they played especially in the Tournament). It can be spun however anyone wants but this was one of the biggest travesty moments for the position awards. I take nothing away from Coyle as he is a good kid and good football player, but he wasn't better than Hansen this year. Yes the CG fans would be super upset if the roles were reversed and that was evident from the year Russ Yeast didn't win it over Hunter Johnson (which was even less of a travesty because Yeast at least got the position award). Edited December 6, 2022 by FastpacedO 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
temptation Posted December 6, 2022 Author Share Posted December 6, 2022 1 hour ago, FastpacedO said: Yes they would have. Coyle great kid and had a terrific season. I would bet money there are 3 other RB's behind him that know Coach Moore's Wing T system and can run it in their sleep (they've only been doing it since the 2nd or 3rd grade). Wheat went down Coyle stepped up. Thomeson was moved from defense to offense. Regardless of any of that Hansen still had 1,008 more rushing yards in 1 less game (and yes the dogs were called off in games at Roncalli too just like CG) and 13 more TD's. Both were even in receiving yards as well. ANyone that says stats don't matter for a position award is fooling themselves While some CG fans were very upset Russ Yeast did not win Mr. Football over Hunter Johnson, that was less of a travesty than Luke Hansen not being the RB award and it isn't even to the Mr. Football award. When talking schedule strength do NOT use Sagarin as Sagarin does not take Out of State opponents into consideration (good or bad). If you want to debate Strength of Schedule you should look at Calpreps (which takes all opponents into consideration). Roncalli's SOS was 20.5 and Center Grove's was 36.8 (lower the number better the SOS) Roncalli's opponents were 108-62 Center Grove's were 83-74. (Shortridge, Attucks, and Southport definitely brought down Roncalli's SOS both teams had no choice in who they played especially in the Tournament). It can be spun however anyone wants but this was one of the biggest travesty moments for the position awards. I take nothing away from Coyle as he is a good kid and good football player, but he wasn't better than Hansen this year. Yes the CG fans would be super upset if the roles were reversed and that was evident from the year Russ Yeast didn't win it over Hunter Johnson (which was even less of a travesty because Yeast at least got the position award). Couldn’t have said it better myself. The only times “stats don’t matter” is when there is a large discrepancy between SOS, (which is obviously not the case here) or when teams stat pad by running up the score, which also doesn’t seem to be evident in this case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fenderbender Posted December 6, 2022 Share Posted December 6, 2022 8 hours ago, PHJIrish said: IMO, the real travesty is Jaron Tibbs not being named as Mr. Football Wide Receiver. He was the best wide receiver in the state of Indiana! Oh well, maybe he'll be named Mr. Football. Add this slight to the Cathedral QB not getting it two years ago. That also was a stunner. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
temptation Posted December 6, 2022 Author Share Posted December 6, 2022 4 minutes ago, fenderbender said: Add this slight to the Cathedral QB not getting it two years ago. That also was a stunner. Guess Tibbs will have to focus on Mr. Basketball instead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footballking16 Posted December 6, 2022 Share Posted December 6, 2022 3 hours ago, temptation said: Impossible now. These are your nominees. When a kicker has a better chance at winning Mr. Football over someone like Hansen or Tibbs it might be time to start re-thinking the award. Personally, I think the award should be open to all grades, not limited to seniors. I also don't have a problem recognizing the best player in each class either. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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