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I noticed an advocate that beliefs or once believed Sandy Hook didn't happen is letting us all know his opinion on this matter. 

Does anyone know if the IHSAA has plans to use this facility? I would think since it's labeled multisport we might not only see boys and girls soccer games but maybe even football and lacrosse. 

 

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21 minutes ago, DumfriesYMCA said:

I did flee the state.  I was born here in Green Bay, Wisconsin.  I attended school here until the 4th grade when opportunities for my parents arose and we moved to the state of Washington.  
 

when the recession hit my family lost their home and we were forced to move to Southern Indiana.  I was in the 7th and 8th grade and we were homeless.  My parents as well as my 3 brothers slept on the floor of family members houses…eventually my dad saved up enough money to buy a trailer home…but it had black mold in it so as a 8th grader I spent my hours after school fixing up a trailer with my dad to make it somewhat livable.  
 

at one point the only walls in this trailer home were bedsheets.  We didn’t even have plumbing hooked up in the shower/tub…so you know what I had to do? I had to take pots of water and go outside the trailer and fill them from the water spigot…then bring those pots inside and heat them up on a stove…once the water was heated, I had to pour them into a freaking blue tote that sat inside the tub…..I did this every day just to take a bath and be clean only to get on a bus and be called “Trailer trash” every single effin day

My parents had to work incredibly hard at lame factory jobs while I had to watch my brothers and be responsible for cleaning this dilapidated trailer and cooking meals for them.  
 

I spent 8 years of my life growing up in extreme poverty being put down by a community littered with alcoholism and drug addiction…the best career opportunities were working factory jobs and being a miner.

 

SO YOURE DAMN RIGHT I LEFT THE MOMENT I HAD A CHANCE AS AN ADULT. 
 

I don’t exactly mean to put part of my life story out there but you’re so disconnected from what is actually going on in your state as a bitter old man. This wasn’t that long ago…I’m not even 28 and these events of my life happened in 2007-2015…and if you think I was the only one, I had classmates at Gibson Southern who were living in a barn…my closest friends had to rent a studio apartment that was in a someone’s shop building…she was 16 years old and just wanted to be in a safe place  to work on her studies 

again…you’re damn right I left that place and I’m sick and tired of hearing from old men like you about issues that involve just a decent standard of living and things to do.  You have no idea how miserable that state is for so many people and you sit there on your high horse every day acting like we are all entitled brats and that people wouldn’t enjoy going to a nice soccer arena and enjoying life a little bit

 

if anything you’re the most entitled person around here…you probably don’t make more than 200k and you probably don’t pay Jack crap for taxes…and yet you lecture everyone on how to spend tax dollars as if you make up any sort of significant portion of the tax revenue. Shut up already and have some damn humanity….let people have something to look forward to like going to a sporting event at a nice stadium

Wow, somebody is angry.

I guess Indiana is the only state, and Gibson the only county, with such sad tales.  Green Bay must be a true utopia on earth, even though it looked pretty much like any other dirty midwestern town when I drove through it on my way to the Michigan U.P. a few months ago.

And I pay more in state and federal taxes than you probably ever will, sonny.  You see I earned my college degree at an Indiana university, left the state for almost eight years, then freely chose to move back.  Have been gainfully employed in a highly technical field ever since.  

As for "entitled brats', yes, those of you who insist that the only way to visit a "nice" football or soccer arena is to have the taxpayers foot the bill are the ones with the entitlement mentality, not I.   Like most socialists you have no problem forcing everyone to pay for something that will only every be enjoyed by the few. Government has been picking the winners and losers this way for decades, and it needs to stop.

You however, flee the state your grew up in and then have the unmitigated gall to moan and complain about how crappy Indiana is.  You, young sir, are part of the problem.  And frankly you have zero business posting on this message board.  Why don't you actually move back to your "beloved" Gibson county (funny how you use the word "beloved" to describe the H.S. but seem to despise most everybody there) and be part of the solution,  sharing your supposed $200,000+ wealth and experience with the poor and downtrodden there?

 

 

 

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25 minutes ago, 812FB said:

I noticed an advocate that beliefs or once believed Sandy Hook didn't happen is letting us all know his opinion on this matter. 

 

1. Who exactly who that be? Please name them.

2. And what does the tragedy at Sandy Hook  have to do with the government (aka taxpayer) spending on yet another stadium boondoggle?

 

 

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21 hours ago, oldtimeqb said:

My goodness I agree with @Muda69 on something.  Good thing Lent starts tomorrow so I can atone for it. 

Somewhat rhetorical question. Can the development of the former Diamond Chain property go forward without a publicly-financed stadium included?  

Same for me.  What is this world coming to?

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1 minute ago, Muda69 said:

Wow, somebody is angry.

I guess Indiana is the only state, and Gibson the only county, with such sad tales.  Green Bay must be a true utopia on earth, even though it looked pretty much like any other dirty midwestern town when I drove through it on my way to the Michigan U.P. a few months ago.

And I pay more in state and federal taxes than you probably ever will, sonny.  You see I earned my college degree at an Indiana university, left the state for almost eight years, then freely chose to move back.  Have been gainfully employed in a highly technical field ever since.  

As for "entitled brats', yes, those of you who insist that the only way to visit a "nice" football or soccer arena is to have the taxpayers foot the bill are the ones with the entitlement mentality, not I.   Like most socialists you have no problem forcing everyone to pay for something that will only every be enjoyed by the few. Government has been picking the winners and losers this way for decades, and it needs to stop.

You however, flee the state your grew up in and then have the unmitigated gall to moan and complain about how crappy Indiana is.  You, young sir, are part of the problem.  And frankly you have zero business posting on this message board.  Why don't you actually move back to your "beloved" Gibson county (funny how you use the word "beloved" to describe the H.S. but seem to despise most everybody there) and be part of the solution,  sharing your supposed $200,000+ wealth and experience with the poor and downtrodden there?

 

 

 

1) I’m not complaining.  I’m the success story.  The sad stories are our friends and family who took their own lives so early, the girl who at 20 was killed by a drunk driver, or the other young people who end up addicted to meth and either die from it or end up in prison….or the kids in Evansville who get shot and killed because of gang violence.  I’m the success story to a long list of obstacles that I’ve overcome.

2) I wake up everyday and I mean every single day trying to prove myself right about people who want to flaunt their money around like they are better than me.  I’ll just add you to the list of people who called me “Trailer trash” and people who wanted to keep me down. You have no idea how hot that fire is inside of me and how much I’m willing to overcome to shut people like you up.  You don’t know me, you only know what I have told you.

 

3) you could say it was trauma bonding or whatever…but when Coach Hart took over Gibson Southern and made it into what it is today, it was the only success story I had in my life.  I admired his work and dedication to doing things the right way and the football team served as hope for a bunch of poor kids working hard and winning in life. It’s why I somewhat obsess over the team…because they show every day what discipline and hard work will do for you. 
 

4) I’ve considered moving back to indiana many times but the opportunity isn’t right for my wife and I.  We both have so many family members there and we have talked numerous times about going back…but the time isn’t right.  All of my friends and family still live there and I care deeply about all of them and that’s why I still care so much about what goes on in Indiana because it’s not just me this is about it’s about our friends and family and the kids down the street. 

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6 minutes ago, DumfriesYMCA said:

1) I’m not complaining.  I’m the success story.  The sad stories are our friends and family who took their own lives so early, the girl who at 20 was killed by a drunk driver, or the other young people who end up addicted to meth and either die from it or end up in prison….or the kids in Evansville who get shot and killed because of gang violence.  I’m the success story to a long list of obstacles that I’ve overcome.

Yeah, I guess those things never happen in Wisconsin, especially the utopia of Green Bay.

6 minutes ago, DumfriesYMCA said:

2) I wake up everyday and I mean every single day trying to prove myself right about people who want to flaunt their money around like they are better than me.  I’ll just add you to the list of people who called me “Trailer trash” and people who wanted to keep me down. You have no idea how hot that fire is inside of me and how much I’m willing to overcome to shut people like you up.  You don’t know me, you only know what I have told you.

 

Hmm, you openly criticize me, making an unsubstantiated claim about my income and tax burden ("you probably don’t make more than 200k and you probably don’t pay Jack crap for taxes") and then you say accuse me of "flaunting my money around".  Hypocrite much, Dumfries?   As for calling you "Trailer trash" I have never said anything of sort. Truth be told such a description of yourself came from you, not I.

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4) I’ve considered moving back to indiana many times but the opportunity isn’t right for my wife and I.  We both have so many family members there and we have talked numerous times about going back…but the time isn’t right.  All of my friends and family still live there and I care deeply about all of them and that’s why I still care so much about what goes on in Indiana because it’s not just me this is about it’s about our friends and family and the kids down the street. 

If you care so much about your poor and downtrodden friends/family still stuck in the hellhole called Gibson county, Indiana what are you personally doing to help them?  Other than advocating for the forcing of taxpayers to pay for a fancy new soccer stadium boondoggle?

 

 

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1 minute ago, Muda69 said:

Yeah, I guess those things never happen in Wisconsin, especially the utopia of Green Bay.

Hmm, you openly criticize me, making an unsubstantiated claim about my income and tax burden ("you probably don’t make more than 200k and you probably don’t pay Jack crap for taxes") and then you say accuse me of "flaunting my money around".  Hypocrite much, Dumfries?   As for calling you "Trailer trash" I have never said anything of sort. Truth be told such a description of yourself came from you, not I.

If you care so much about your poor and downtrodden friends/family still stuck in the hellhole called Gibson county, Indiana what are you personally doing to help them?  Other than advocating for the forcing of taxpayers to pay for a fancy new soccer stadium boondoggle?

 

 

Reading comprehension isn’t your strong suit.  Call me a hypocrite call me whatever you like it doesn’t matter.

 

you’re not the only taxpayer and there are plenty of people who pay their fair share of taxes just like you and me who want their tax dollars to go towards improving the community.  Nobody likes paying taxes, but since we have to pay them, it would be nice to see them go towards tangible things that make a difference in the community.  
 

Wisconsin isn’t a utopia and I’ve never said it was. For me personally it just provides the best opportunities for me at this point in my life.  
 

Gibson County isn’t the only place in Indiana facing those hardships…but you know this already considering you always advocate for taking away sports for schools in the most impoverished areas. Go visit crawfordsville or Thornton…go to south Indy in places like Irvington…go to pike county and see the people whose kids go to pike central who you say should board up their football program.  
 

shoot….just go to south bend…you have Notre dame and it’s world renowned school and absolutely gorgeous campus….but 5 blocks down every business has barbwire fencing around it 

 

I don’t need to disclose any of my generosity and that doesn’t matter at all.  I have helped where I could and ultimately I’m only 27.  I’m trying to build my life for the future so that one day I can give outrageously and no desire to take wads of cash to the grave. I’m 1 person just doing my best with the goal of one day uplifting entire communities and restoring some humanity to this world.

What’s hilarious is that you’re the bitter old man who will tell people to pull themselves up by their bootstraps….but you’re telling someone who has done exactly just that to step back in line and implying as if I do absolutely nothing.  

it’s kinda funny how that works.  You’re being confronted by the type of person you want everyone to be if they face hardships and in turn you are trying to shame me for it.  

Money is only useful for providing opportunities and I think it’s ridiculous to let people like you go unchecked on trying to take away those opportunities.  
 

one day, there is going to be a thread on this forum where one of us will have sadly passed away.  You’re going to be remembered as the guy who constantly sought out ways to take opportunities away from kids as it stands now….and I hope that when my day comes I’m nothing like you at all.  Absolutely nobody should look up to you and the ways you think about this world and I hope you take that to heart

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9 minutes ago, DumfriesYMCA said:

Reading comprehension isn’t your strong suit.  Call me a hypocrite call me whatever you like it doesn’t matter.

 

you’re not the only taxpayer and there are plenty of people who pay their fair share of taxes just like you and me who want their tax dollars to go towards improving the community.  Nobody likes paying taxes, but since we have to pay them, it would be nice to see them go towards tangible things that make a difference in the community.  
 

Wisconsin isn’t a utopia and I’ve never said it was. For me personally it just provides the best opportunities for me at this point in my life.  
 

Gibson County isn’t the only place in Indiana facing those hardships…but you know this already considering you always advocate for taking away sports for schools in the most impoverished areas. Go visit crawfordsville or Thornton…go to south Indy in places like Irvington…go to pike county and see the people whose kids go to pike central who you say should board up their football program.  
 

shoot….just go to south bend…you have Notre dame and it’s world renowned school and absolutely gorgeous campus….but 5 blocks down every business has barbwire fencing around it 

 

I don’t need to disclose any of my generosity and that doesn’t matter at all.  I have helped where I could and ultimately I’m only 27.  I’m trying to build my life for the future so that one day I can give outrageously and no desire to take wads of cash to the grave. I’m 1 person just doing my best with the goal of one day uplifting entire communities and restoring some humanity to this world.

What’s hilarious is that you’re the bitter old man who will tell people to pull themselves up by their bootstraps….but you’re telling someone who has done exactly just that to step back in line and implying as if I do absolutely nothing.  

it’s kinda funny how that works.  You’re being confronted by the type of person you want everyone to be if they face hardships and in turn you are trying to shame me for it.  

Money is only useful for providing opportunities and I think it’s ridiculous to let people like you go unchecked on trying to take away those opportunities.  
 

one day, there is going to be a thread on this forum where one of us will have sadly passed away.  You’re going to be remembered as the guy who constantly sought out ways to take opportunities away from kids as it stands now….and I hope that when my day comes I’m nothing like you at all.  Absolutely nobody should look up to you and the ways you think about this world and I hope you take that to heart

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18 minutes ago, scarab527 said:

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I don’t wish anything ill on him but I hope he at least lives to see the day where there are millions of people working hard to make this world a better place 

 

I saw a thing recently that said something like “there is nobility in the old man who plants the tree for which he won’t live to enjoy the shade” 

 

it’s a soccer stadium and surrounding area meant to enrich the lives of the very people who are going to pay for it.  It’s going to provide opportunities for people to work there and it’s going to inspire generations of people to do something else than to pick things up and put them down in a concrete building for 12 hours a day.  
 

and I just fail to see how that is a bad thing to want 

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55 minutes ago, DumfriesYMCA said:

 

I saw a thing recently that said something like “there is nobility in the old man who plants the tree for which he won’t live to enjoy the shade” 

 

I remember talking with my dad when I was in high school, early 80s, one time we were driving back to visit my grandmother; his mother-in-law.  The discussion turned to Social Security somehow and I asked him about the idea of Social Security going bankrupt.  My dad talked about the ins and outs of the financing of the program and all the bits and pieces about it and how politics often latches on to it.  As we pulled into my grandmother's driveway, I recall my dad's final thoughts on the subject ... he said, even if he never lived long enough to get his benefits or they went bankrupt he was content to know that his contributions were aiding my grandmother and the "folks across the street" ... my grandmother lived across the street from the "old folks home" where she often volunteered her time helping "those old people" who were younger than her. 🙂  My dad died almost 35 years ago as a young man ... and his Social Security payments are still helping my mom.

 

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2 hours ago, DumfriesYMCA said:

you’re not the only taxpayer and there are plenty of people who pay their fair share of taxes just like you and me who want their tax dollars to go towards improving the community.  Nobody likes paying taxes, but since we have to pay them, it would be nice to see them go towards tangible things that make a difference in the community.  
 

I don't see a taxpayer funded soccer stadium "making a difference in the community".  And study after study after study has proven that.

2 hours ago, DumfriesYMCA said:

Gibson County isn’t the only place in Indiana facing those hardships…but you know this already considering you always advocate for taking away sports for schools in the most impoverished areas. Go visit crawfordsville or Thornton…go to south Indy in places like Irvington…go to pike county and see the people whose kids go to pike central who you say should board up their football program.  
 

Thornton?  Never heard of it.  I go to Crawfordsville at least once a month,  Brother's Pizza Company is a good place to eat.

2 hours ago, DumfriesYMCA said:

What’s hilarious is that you’re the bitter old man who will tell people to pull themselves up by their bootstraps….but you’re telling someone who has done exactly just that to step back in line and implying as if I do absolutely nothing.  

I don't recall telling you to "step back in line" whatever the heck that means in the context of your statement.

 

2 hours ago, DumfriesYMCA said:

it’s kinda funny how that works.  You’re being confronted by the type of person you want everyone to be if they face hardships and in turn you are trying to shame me for it.  

 

No, I am not trying to shame you for "facing your hardships".  Just your "more government is the answer to practically everything" ideology.   It is the wrong path IMHO.

 

2 hours ago, DumfriesYMCA said:

Money is only useful for providing opportunities and I think it’s ridiculous to let people like you go unchecked on trying to take away those opportunities.  

So money provided by taxation has to be the mechanism for providing these opportunities?  Why? Are you saying the free market and private sector does not provide opportunities for people?  

 

2 hours ago, DumfriesYMCA said:

one day, there is going to be a thread on this forum where one of us will have sadly passed away.  You’re going to be remembered as the guy who constantly sought out ways to take opportunities away from kids as it stands now….and I hope that when my day comes I’m nothing like you at all.  Absolutely nobody should look up to you and the ways you think about this world and I hope you take that to heart

If it always government providing those opportunities, absolutely.  I'm sorry that you can't see the difference, and the price your future children and grandchildren are going to pay for such a socialist agenda.

 

37 minutes ago, foxbat said:

I remember talking with my dad when I was in high school, early 80s, one time we were driving back to visit my grandmother; his mother-in-law.  The discussion turned to Social Security somehow and I asked him about the idea of Social Security going bankrupt.  My dad talked about the ins and outs of the financing of the program and all the bits and pieces about it and how politics often latches on to it.  As we pulled into my grandmother's driveway, I recall my dad's final thoughts on the subject ... he said, even if he never lived long enough to get his benefits or they went bankrupt he was content to know that his contributions were aiding my grandmother and the "folks across the street" ... my grandmother lived across the street from the "old folks home" where she often volunteered her time helping "those old people" who were younger than her. 🙂  My dad died almost 35 years ago as a young man ... and his Social Security payments are still helping my mom.

 

“No action can be virtuous unless it is freely chosen.”  ― Murray N. Rothbard

Are FICA taxes freely chosen?  The last time I checked, no.

 

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1 hour ago, DumfriesYMCA said:

I don’t wish anything ill on him but I hope he at least lives to see the day where there are millions of people working hard to make this world a better place 

 

I am one of the millions of people. I donate my time, talent, and treasure on at least a weekly basis to a small number of community organizations, and have for over 25 years.

What about you?

 

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38 minutes ago, foxbat said:

I remember talking with my dad when I was in high school, early 80s, one time we were driving back to visit my grandmother; his mother-in-law.  The discussion turned to Social Security somehow and I asked him about the idea of Social Security going bankrupt.  My dad talked about the ins and outs of the financing of the program and all the bits and pieces about it and how politics often latches on to it.  As we pulled into my grandmother's driveway, I recall my dad's final thoughts on the subject ... he said, even if he never lived long enough to get his benefits or they went bankrupt he was content to know that his contributions were aiding my grandmother and the "folks across the street" ... my grandmother lived across the street from the "old folks home" where she often volunteered her time helping "those old people" who were younger than her. 🙂  My dad died almost 35 years ago as a young man ... and his Social Security payments are still helping my mom.

 

Sounds like your dad understood the assignment and was a great man.

you work hard and with dignity to give more than you take….AND you pass down those lessons to life. 
 

I apologize if what I’ve said here today is coming off as altruistic or anything else but I’m just tired of seeing people gatekeeping opportunities for future generations because they have entitlement to the taxes they pay.  Everyone pays taxes…some people just believe they are entitled to dictate how every dollar is spent.  
 

at $1B, the cost per resident for the entire state of Indiana would be less than $160 per person…and that doesn’t even factor in commercial properties that also pay taxes. I think I saw only the Indy area would be paying for it but the end result is still not that much money.  Most people who have the audacity to complain probably pay more in annual fees on their credit cards than what this would cost over multiple years.  
 

that lack of perspective coupled with the entitlement really gets me 

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12 minutes ago, Muda69 said:

 

No, I am not trying to shame you for "facing your hardships".  Just your "more government is the answer to practically everything" ideology.   It is the wrong path IMHO.

If it always government providing those opportunities, absolutely.  I'm sorry that you can't see the difference, and the price your future children and grandchildren are going to pay for such a socialist agenda.

 

 

Frankly I want to be done responding to you but I love how you conflate the taxes you pay as yours and yours alone but when it’s everyone’s taxes as a collective whole, it’s the “government providing these opportunities”

no it’s the taxpayers providing these opportunities…and you are only 1 of them.  And whether you pay $1M or 1¢ you have the same amount of say as everyone else.

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I agree with muda, there should be 0 tax payer dollars spent building a soccer stadium.

its hardly even a real sport.

money would be better spent elsewhere

hell they don't even like turf, all you need is an open grassy area some bleachers and enough beer to forget you ever went to a soccer game.

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9 hours ago, DumfriesYMCA said:

I did flee the state.  I was born here in Green Bay, Wisconsin.  I attended school here until the 4th grade when opportunities for my parents arose and we moved to the state of Washington.  
 

when the recession hit my family lost their home and we were forced to move to Southern Indiana.  I was in the 7th and 8th grade and we were homeless.  My parents as well as my 3 brothers slept on the floor of family members houses…eventually my dad saved up enough money to buy a trailer home…but it had black mold in it so as a 8th grader I spent my hours after school fixing up a trailer with my dad to make it somewhat livable.  
 

at one point the only walls in this trailer home were bedsheets.  We didn’t even have plumbing hooked up in the shower/tub…so you know what I had to do? I had to take pots of water and go outside the trailer and fill them from the water spigot…then bring those pots inside and heat them up on a stove…once the water was heated, I had to pour them into a freaking blue tote that sat inside the tub…..I did this every day just to take a bath and be clean only to get on a bus and be called “Trailer trash” every single effin day

My parents had to work incredibly hard at lame factory jobs while I had to watch my brothers and be responsible for cleaning this dilapidated trailer and cooking meals for them.  
 

I spent 8 years of my life growing up in extreme poverty being put down by a community littered with alcoholism and drug addiction…the best career opportunities were working factory jobs and being a miner.

 

SO YOURE DAMN RIGHT I LEFT THE MOMENT I HAD A CHANCE AS AN ADULT. 
 

I don’t exactly mean to put part of my life story out there but you’re so disconnected from what is actually going on in your state as a bitter old man. This wasn’t that long ago…I’m not even 28 and these events of my life happened in 2007-2015…and if you think I was the only one, I had classmates at Gibson Southern who were living in a barn…my closest friends had to rent a studio apartment that was in a someone’s shop building…she was 16 years old and just wanted to be in a safe place  to work on her studies 

again…you’re damn right I left that place and I’m sick and tired of hearing from old men like you about issues that involve just a decent standard of living and things to do.  You have no idea how miserable that state is for so many people and you sit there on your high horse every day acting like we are all entitled brats and that people wouldn’t enjoy going to a nice soccer arena and enjoying life a little bit

 

if anything you’re the most entitled person around here…you probably don’t make more than 200k and you probably don’t pay Jack crap for taxes…and yet you lecture everyone on how to spend tax dollars as if you make up any sort of significant portion of the tax revenue. Shut up already and have some damn humanity….let people have something to look forward to like going to a sporting event at a nice stadium

Thanks for sharing your story.  What you've been through will make you appreciate your successes even more.  Congrats for digging out.  My parents were the ones who dug out and I got to benefit from their efforts.

My daughter is a nurse practitioner and my son-in-law is fluid in multiple languages and has his MBA and a great career at Lilly.  He was raised in LA and they have both expressed an interest in moving there.  With their resumes they would have no problem finding great careers out there.  Their biggest complaint is the lack of entertainment in Indy.   They are exactly the types of people we want/need to stay in our communities and a development like this -- if done properly -- would go a long way to keeping them interested.

I've also been involved with enough commercial real estate developments to recognize that there are two types of communities, those that subsidize development and those that get left behind.  Public Private Partnerships are all the rage as are tax abatements.  When you know how they really work it is funny/frustrating to listen to others complain about them.  This is potentially a great move for downtown but I don't know the players involved and I think Indy's mayor is pathetic.  Hope they pull it off.

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1 hour ago, Grover said:

Thanks for sharing your story.  What you've been through will make you appreciate your successes even more.  Congrats for digging out.  My parents were the ones who dug out and I got to benefit from their efforts.

My daughter is a nurse practitioner and my son-in-law is fluid in multiple languages and has his MBA and a great career at Lilly.  He was raised in LA and they have both expressed an interest in moving there.  With their resumes they would have no problem finding great careers out there.  Their biggest complaint is the lack of entertainment in Indy.   They are exactly the types of people we want/need to stay in our communities and a development like this -- if done properly -- would go a long way to keeping them interested.

I've also been involved with enough commercial real estate developments to recognize that there are two types of communities, those that subsidize development and those that get left behind.  Public Private Partnerships are all the rage as are tax abatements.  When you know how they really work it is funny/frustrating to listen to others complain about them.  This is potentially a great move for downtown but I don't know the players involved and I think Indy's mayor is pathetic.  Hope they pull it off.

I appreciate this.  It’s really hard to open up about hardships that we all go through and often times you’re met by people who think you are just telling a sad story and want to be a victim.  In reality they are success stories and the actual sad stories are all the kids/young adults who didn’t make it out and never got the chance to tell their story.    

I’m not saying 1 soccer stadium is going to fix that but I know for a certain fact that many people in Indiana are very apathetic to ideas like this. This apathy is reoccurring for a multitude of things and it has set a tone.  Successful young adults like your daughter are left wanting more and if they consider or follow through with leaving, they are just told “you’re the problem” like I was today.  Friends and family are not a sufficient reason to stay in a community if a person is not happy. Costs of living are on the rise everywhere but quality of life is arguably at an all time low in communities like many found in Indiana.

1 person/1 venue/1 sports team isn’t going to fix this but if every proposal gets thrown away then the people are left with little to nothing at all.  We have to stop vilifying people for simply wanting stuff like things to do within communities, positive experiences to share, and happiness in life.  

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22 hours ago, Muda69 said:

As for factory work, my father worked at the Kokomo Chrysler transmission plant for 34 years

I wasn't raised in a household under a privileged union umbrella of artificially high wages, Cadillac insurance plans and pensions, but I'm opposed to taxpayer money being used on a soccer stadium also. Indy just isn't going to support soccer enough to get any return on this investment.

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1 hour ago, gonzoron said:

 Indy just isn't going to support soccer enough to get any return on this investment.

I question this as well....but I truly have no idea of minor league soccer demand.  I hope the team and the city have done their market research.  I can't help thinking if cities can support MLS teams such as Columbus, KC, Cincy, Austin, StL, Charlotte, Salt Lake, etc, why can't Indy support minor league soccer?  But, although I enjoy the EPL (Go Spurs)and have attended matches in Brazil and Europe, I've never felt the desire to check out an Eleven match.  But guessing I am not part of the demographic they are targeting.

I get over the hump with this investment given all that is included.  Removing the old Diamond Chain factory from downtown, completing needed environmental remediation, making the riverfront more desirable, adding much needed hotel space, restaurants to that area of downtown, more residential living space, etc.  My guess is that this stadium can and will be used for other purposes than just soccer.  I am not sure of the need for more office space....But its the total package and utilizing an area of downtown that is frankly an eyesore that makes me feel more positive about the investment.

If it were soccer alone, I would probably lean your way.  

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15 minutes ago, Bash Riprock said:

My guess is that this stadium can and will be used for other purposes than just soccer.  I am not sure of the need for more office space....But its the total package and utilizing an area of downtown that is frankly an eyesore that makes me feel more positive about the investment.

If it were soccer alone, I would probably lean your way.  

I heard that in 2028 there is gonna be a weekend extravaganza between the MIC and HCC.  Here are the marquee Matchups:

  • Carmel (MIC) vs CG (HCC South) - 1st regular season Copper Kettle game since 2022
  • BD (MIC) vs Noblesville (HCC North) - Inaugural game for the Giant Wooden Jason Simmons
  • Decatur Central (MIC) vs Zionsville (HCC North) - The Dirty Bird
  • Tech (MIC) vs Cathedral (HCC South) - If Cathedral wins they play all home games at Tech in 2029

😁 All of this was supposed to be in purple....

 

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15 hours ago, Rodney said:

I agree with muda, there should be 0 tax payer dollars spent building a soccer stadium.

its hardly even a real sport.

money would be better spent elsewhere

hell they don't even like turf, all you need is an open grassy area some bleachers and enough beer to forget you ever went to a soccer game.

Bleachers for how many?

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35 minutes ago, US31 said:

I heard that in 2028 there is gonna be a weekend extravaganza between the MIC and HCC.  Here are the marquee Matchups:

  • Carmel (MIC) vs CG (HCC South) - 1st regular season Copper Kettle game since 2022
  • BD (MIC) vs Noblesville (HCC North) - Inaugural game for the Giant Wooden Jason Simmons
  • Decatur Central (MIC) vs Zionsville (HCC North) - The Dirty Bird
  • Tech (MIC) vs Cathedral (HCC South) - If Cathedral wins they play all home games at Tech in 2029

😁 All of this was supposed to be in purple....

 

I do actually really like this vision!!!

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On 2/22/2023 at 8:06 AM, oldtimeqb said:

I can see why apartments, retail/office space, and parking garages provide the perfect Trojan Horse to sneak in a bad idea like a stadium. 

 

1 hour ago, Bash Riprock said:

But its the total package and utilizing an area of downtown that is frankly an eyesore that makes me feel more positive about the investment.

If it were soccer alone, I would probably lean your way.  

If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, quacks like a duck... 

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2 hours ago, BTF said:

Bleachers for how many?

id imagine for a soccer game in indy, you just copy the bleachers from any typical 1a football stadium.

those aren't even important though,

you don't need to be elevated, because you likely aren't trying to watch the game anyways.

Just an excuse to get drunk

 

kind of like the 500, I can hear the cars go round, but the goal is to just get smashed in the infield.

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