Alduflux Posted September 17, 2023 Share Posted September 17, 2023 Both of the following scenarios are 2nd and 3 from the 7 yard line with the offense about to score a touchdown. Scenario 1: Pass interference is called in the end zone. Scenario 2: Encroachment is called. What is the new down and distance for each scenario. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Bobref Posted September 17, 2023 Share Posted September 17, 2023 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Alduflux said: Both of the following scenarios are 2nd and 3 from the 7 yard line with the offense about to score a touchdown. Scenario 1: Pass interference is called in the end zone. Scenario 2: Encroachment is called. What is the new down and distance for each scenario. In both instances (assuming these fouls are on the defense), the enforcement is half the distance to the goal. The enforcement takes the ball beyond the line to gain. 1st and goal for A from the B 3-1/2 yd. line. Edited September 17, 2023 by Bobref Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Alduflux Posted September 17, 2023 Author Share Posted September 17, 2023 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Bobref said: In both instances (assuming these fouls are on the defense), the enforcement is half the distance to the goal. The enforcement takes the ball beyond the line to gain. 1st and goal for A from the B 3-1/2 yd. line. Was the following play enforced incorrectly then? It was 4th and 5 from the 8. The play is at the 49:20 minute mark of the video. Edited September 17, 2023 by Alduflux Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Bobref Posted September 17, 2023 Share Posted September 17, 2023 1 hour ago, Alduflux said: Was the following play enforced incorrectly then? It was 4th and 5 from the 8. The play is at the 49:20 minute mark of the video. No, it was not enforced correctly. They assessed the full 5 yds. for the encroachment rather than half the distance (4 yds.). There is a specific, step-by-step procedure for enforcing penalties in a way that minimizes the risk of such mistakes. They didn’t follow it. I wish more crews would. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Indian81 Posted September 19, 2023 Share Posted September 19, 2023 check out this same game at the 1:50 mark.....a CLEAR hurdle by the running back for a TD......no flag......probably a good clip for training video..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 AW0352 Posted September 20, 2023 Share Posted September 20, 2023 How does this crew not know this? Let’s just say it was on the 6 yard line. Would they have taken it all the way to the 1? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 JustRules Posted September 20, 2023 Share Posted September 20, 2023 4 hours ago, AW0352 said: How does this crew not know this? Let’s just say it was on the 6 yard line. Would they have taken it all the way to the 1? Sometimes crews just make mistakes. Someone needs to recognize this isn't right and correct it before the next down. A common communication when the ball is near mid-chain (4 to 6 yards from the LTG), the H will communicate things like "5 will get us one" or "uphill/downhill". What they are saying is a 5-yard penalty by the defense will result in a first down. I wonder if the H looked at the chain and saw the box was in front of the mark midway on the chain an announced "5 will get us 1" without thinking they were at the B8. That was still in the head when the R and U processed the penalty enforcement so they didn't consider half the distance. Maybe they went to fast and overlooked it. None of that excuses this error. They were wrong and this should not happen. But this proves if you don't concentrate and slow down, you will make mistakes like this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Yuccaguy Posted September 20, 2023 Share Posted September 20, 2023 SARCASTICLY SAYING: Pay us NORTHERN officials 'double' your pay rates.... We'll be happy to come down there on a Saturday and "smoothy" officiate a game! 😀 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Bobref Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 4 hours ago, JustRules said: That was still in the head when the R and U processed the penalty enforcement so they didn't consider half the distance If the crew followed the process for penalty enforcement described in the current Manual, the odds of making this mistake drop precipitously. It’s not difficult. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 JustRules Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 12 hours ago, Bobref said: If the crew followed the process for penalty enforcement described in the current Manual, the odds of making this mistake drop precipitously. It’s not difficult. Watched the clip. The crew did none of the things you should do when enforcing a penalty. No conversation between the U and another official (maybe they had radios and someone communicated to him or the near side wing gave a visual signal? He didn't check off the distance with the wing before moving. He didn't verify with a wing he was at the right spot before putting the ball down. This not only looked like a situation of going to fast. It skipped a bunch of steps that could have prevented this from happening. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Both of the following scenarios are 2nd and 3 from the 7 yard line with the offense about to score a touchdown.
Scenario 1: Pass interference is called in the end zone.
Scenario 2: Encroachment is called.
What is the new down and distance for each scenario.
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