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  1. bobref

    NFHS Rules Changes

    It’s important to note that this is a survey. The recipients are simply asked whether a proposed rules change is good or bad, or whether a certain issue is a problem. They are not asked for suggested rules changes. That is quite a cumbersome process that has to be completed by November and has to be submitted to the IHSAA, which then decides whether to even submit it to the national rules committee. Trying to get a rule change that doesn’t actually come from a Committee member is next to impossible. The Committee is largely made up of administrators, not officials, so draw your own conclusions from that.
  2. Lots of talk this morning about the no-call in the Monday night game last night, on Wagner’s field goal block. So, I thought that was a nice subject to discuss, specifically the high school rule. How would this be called under the NF Code? Under the NF Code it is a personal foul for a player to “Position himself on the shoulders or body of a teammate or opponent to gain an advantage.” The rule doesn’t specifically make it a foul to use your hands to “push off” on a teammate or opponent to get higher in your jump. One thing to be careful of is making immediate contact with the snapper, since that’s a foul. Generally speaking, a good guideline is whether you used your hands or your feet. If you jump onto the back or shoulders of a teammate or opponent, it’s going to be a foul. If you push off with your hands, but that’s the only contact you make, probably not.
  3. At the risk of igniting a firestorm, I believe the constraint on paying coaches more is primarily driven by teacher’s unions.
  4. That may be part of it. But Alabama, for example, is ranked 24th in population, while Indiana is 17th.
  5. I’l state the obvious. It is not a coincidence that the states that have these extremely well-compensated coaches are also the states that seem to produce the best teams and the most talented players.
  6. bobref

    NFHS Rules Changes

    This is especially true at the high school level with a 5 man crew, since the wing officials are not nailed to the line of scrimmage on pass plays, but should be floating downfield after a suitable interval.
  7. bobref

    NFHS Rules Changes

    And I'd vote yes ... because it potentially provides something for "retired" officials to do on championship weekend.
  8. Every year the NFHS sends out a survey to some officials, coaches and administrators about possible football rules changes. Just got mine, and I’d like to hear from folks on the GID, since they are among the most passionate and knowledgeable observers of high school football anywhere. Here are the topics covered in this year’s survey: Changing the penalty for an improperly equipped player to elimination of the distance penalty and merely removing the player for at least one play. Clarification of the defenseless player rule to state that it only applies to the passer after he has thrown a legal forward pass. Adding an option for fouls by K during a free or scrimmage kick that adds any distance penalty to the spot where the down ends. A new rule that addresses multiple personal fouls by the same player leading to ejection. Moving the K free kick line from the K 40 to the K 45 yd. line. Change the rule so that it is now illegal to trip the ball carrier. Add a rule that, by state association adoption, instant replay can be used for the “championship series.” Change intentional grounding to the college rule, i.e., allow it if the QB is outside the tackles and the pass goes beyond the neutral zone. Do away with the kickoff. What say ye, GID brethren?
  9. bobref

    Bears 2016/2017 and Now 2018

    There’s a new “Beast of the North!”
  10. bobref

    Sideline Plays

    The purpose in putting a bag down at the spot where possession was lost is to mark that spot as a potential penalty enforcement spot. For example, if the runner goes past the neutral zone and fumbles the ball, and someone commits a foul while the ball is loose, the end of the run, i.e., the spot where player possession was lost, is a potential spot for enforcement of the penalty. However, if the ball is loose behind the neutral zone as a result of a fumble, any foul occurring while the ball is loose is a foul during a loose ball play, and any penalty will be enforced from the previous spot or the spot of the foul — never the spot of the fumble. So there is no need to mark the spot with a beanbag. Some people, including some officials, might say “what’s the harm in bagging the spot?” This play is a good example of why you don’t do that. When an official bags the spot of a loose ball, he is announcing to the world “I saw a live ball come out of player possession.” That’s what the referee is saying here. What if the wing official did have the runner’s FP stopped before the ball came out. Now, if you go with the wing official’s call, someone has to answer the defensive team’s coach when he says “What do you mean the runner was down? The guy in the white hat says the ball was still alive when it came out?” And he’s got a legitimate gripe. If you go with the Referee’s call and say it was a fumble, the wing official has already blown the whistle, and now what have you got? That’s right, an inadvertent whistle, the bane of every official’s existence. If the Referee just holds the bag, like he’s supposed to, you avoid those controversies. There’s enough trouble out there on the field. No need to manufacture more.
  11. bobref

    Sideline Plays

    Thanks for providing the video. I think the video supports the ruling of a fumble. While the runner was initially knocked back, he was still on his feet and moving forward when the ball came out. You want to give the runner the benefit of every inch he can gain on such a play, so I would have held the whistle. Incidentally, the Referee gets a downgrade on this play for dropping a beanbag on a fumble that occurred behind the neutral zone. Ask me why. 😉
  12. I’m sure job security for lawyers was uppermost in the minds of Madison, Jefferson, et al., (no disrespect D & C).
  13. bobref

    Sideline Plays

    I heard about the play, but didn’t see it. Anybody have video? Having said that, my understanding is that the two plays were not at all similar. In the Colts’ play, the runner was knocked off his feet. The question was whether his forward progress was stopped before he landed out of bounds, so the clock should not have stopped. In the 1A game, I understand the runner was stood up, and didn’t go down. Frankly, that call has a lot more officiating judgment involved,
  14. The honors keep on coming for this year’s Irish squad. Brian Kelly wins the Stallings Award. https://www.stallingsaward.org/ Named in honor of Gene Stalling, this unique award is presented annually to an exceptional NCAA Division I college head football coach in recognition of humanitarian contributions in addition to achievements on the field. and the Home Depot national Coach of the Year Head Football Coach Brian Kelly has been named the 2018 Home Depot Coach of the Year. It marks the third time that Kelly has received the award (2009, 2012). Kelly is the only coach to ever capture the award twice, let alone three times. https://und.com/news/2018/12/5/football-kelly-only-three-time-winner-of-the-home-depot-coach-of-the-year-award.aspx