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On 10/12/2023 at 2:56 PM, Muda69 said:

Go Braves.

Peru Sucks.

 

 

Well...except Peru did beat Mac

On 3/9/2022 at 3:48 PM, Impartial_Observer said:

Elkhart is open. 

Any thoughts?   

On 12/24/2021 at 9:16 AM, Football Guru 25 said:

Sounds like a bunch of excuses from the Rockies....saying goes "excuses start at the top"   

With all due respect to you and the other posters...I do not believe that a single poster here (on this particular thread)  is a "Plymouth Person" giving excuses about their program.  Many of the posters are talking about demographics of hispanic population, numbers for FB in general etc.  If you look at the names of the posters and then the names of the schools they are associated with...Highland, Warsaw, Whiting, Frankfort etc...none of these posters are "plymouth people" giving excuses.  I believe it when you say "Excuses start at the top." But it seems with this thread, there is nobody from "the top" making excuses.  my 2 cents

2 hours ago, Bobref said:

I wish I could. But without video …

A very good official once told me that it’s better to look bad and get the call right, as opposed to looking good, and getting it wrong. The lack of a flag is perplexing.

Thank you for your responses...I try not to criticize referees as they are doing a job I would never want to do.  High School sports does not function without their sacrifice away from their families to call games. I just was looking for some perspective and your answers gave me that perspective. So thank you to all three of you for your answers. And if you are or were referees, thank you for your service.  We can scrub this topic off the site now if moderators want to do that.  

did not want to post on normal board. Referees have a thankless job and I appreciate what they do for the kids....Peru wins in the end so it does not matter I guess....but....

5 seconds left in regulation at Oak Hill last Friday in semis.  Oak Hill lines up for game winning field goal from inside the 5 yard line. Peru kid seems to time it perfectly and blocks the field goal. Peru scoops and runs the ball all the way back some 90 yards into the end zone.  No flag for offsides anywhere on the field.  The referees meet and discuss the play and call Peru offsides after the discussion.   Still no flag, touchdown called back, and Oak Hill gets the ball moved half the distance.  Time put back on the clock and Oak Hill subsequently fumbles the snap.  Again...Peru wins in the end,  but I still can't figure out the offsides call with no flag and the 2 (literally 2) minute discussion.  Help?

4 hours ago, Bears62 said:

**HYPOTHETICAL** point spreads for the best games this week. (Bringing this back as I saw that there are similar threads on Ohio’s hs football forum using imaginary point spreads)
 

Not a ton of great games this week

GOTW: Homestead at FW Carroll (-6.5)

Penn (-15) at Elkhart

Fishers at HSE (-17.5)

Mishawaka at Concord (-4)

Harrison WL at Zionsville (-7.5)

Bloomington South at Castle (pk)

New Prairie (-2) at Culver 

East Central at Mooresville (-4.5)

Mishawaka Marian (-11) at Tippecanoe Valley

Warren Central (-24) at Lawrence Central

 

Would be tempted to take Tippy Valley and the points.  Strength of schedule hurts Valley some.  

On 4/28/2021 at 7:19 PM, region said:

114 all-time meetings. First played in 1903

1903-06, 1909, 1924-25, 1928-92, 97-present. (From 1934-52 they played twice a year in a home and home series).

It might not be the longest continuous, but it’s one of the oldest and most played series in state history. I don’t see ADs Patti McCormack and Bill Dorulla wanting to end this series any time soon. 

 

Great discussion on economics related to football.

Tried looking for the longest rivalry...found on Wikipedia (I know I know)  Peru VS Logansport started in 1902 and is the "Longest continuous rivalry in the state of Indiana."  I know this is not part of the topic of Warsaw's new Fight Song from a previous poster (hilarious I might add, but true), but it does fill in a blank of some sort. 

20 hours ago, Bobref said:

Abolish the longest running high school football rivalry — The Battle for ‘The Old Leather Helmet” — in the state? Find another way.

Coach Curtis fears nobody.

Bobref....I thought Logansport vs Peru was the longest running rivalry in football for Indiana.  Wonder where one could find that info...

54 minutes ago, maroonman said:

 

 

Sorry gbjemler... I haven't been on this board for a while.

Here's your answer...

Until 1941, Mishawaka’s field was known as “Mishawaka School Field”.

In 1939, with the completion of the new permanent seating (the stadium still in use today), the field was dedicated without a name.

On July 7, 1941 it was dedicated as “Tupper Field”.

William Tupper was not a coach, or even a teacher.  He is credited with bringing the first electric lighting system to the city of Mishawaka in about 1895 while he was the superintendent of the Dodge Power Plant.

He also served for 22 consecutive years on the Mishawaka School Board and oversaw the construction of the stadium.  The “Tupper Field” dedication coincided with his retirement from the School Board in 1941.

On January 8, 1980, the Mishawaka School Board of Trustees voted to dedicate the stadium to Frank M. Steele.

On August 29, 1980, the stadium was officially dedicated as “Frank M. Steele Stadium.”

Very Nice Summary...thank you

On 12/10/2020 at 8:35 AM, maroonman said:

The Mishawaka Cavemen play in Frank M. Steele Stadium.

Steele was Mishawaka’s Coach 1924-1932 and his Cavemen claimed 2 mythical state championships (’25 and ’26).

He was the Mishawaka High School Athletic Director 1934-1952 and then served as the head of the Department of Health, Physical Education and Safety for the Mishawaka School Corporation until his retirement in 1960.

The stadium was built (completed)  in 1939.

Hey Maroon man

Growing up as a kid,  Steele Stadium I believe was named "Tupper Field."  Do you know the history on that name? Always wondered. What year did they change? Thinking around 1980 or 1981?

12 hours ago, BTF said:

I have an idea. How bout a Super Conference in the north:

Snider, Homestead, Carroll, Dwenger, Penn, Elkhart, Valpo, Warsaw, and Merrillville. One non-conference game. 

Wow!!    Nasty conference!  fun to watch tho

My Dad, a long time School City educator and Caveman fan of all sports said back in the 90's, "the best thing the NIC should do is disband and re-form without Penn in it."  At that time as you can remember, Penn was on that streak of not losing in football to the NIC schools. He was getting tired of hearing all about Penn Penn Penn.  LOL Well, my theory to him was "get better or get used to it," even though I somewhat secretly agreed.   Mishawaka's move to the NLC was good based on future revenues (post-Covid of course).  I think as an earlier poster mentioned, how much does anybody know about the SB schools and their future?  When the NIC grew to its newest configuration, all of the schools were smaller than MHS. Most NLC schools travel well. Some NIC schools travel well. Not enough though.   Football revenue has to be better with larger schools coming to Steele Stadium.  I would think the home basketball gates of NLC schools coming to MHS for a game are better as well.  Please do not view this as a negative post about the smaller schools in the NIC and their fan base. Some of those schools have rabid (in a good way) fan bases. Athletically,  Jimtown wrestling can match up with MHS and Penn. Marian matches up in FB and BB among other sports. St Joe Soccer? SB Adams BB/SB Riley BB?   My thinking is due to more revenue being generated by a larger visiting fan base.  It would be interesting to find an old article when the move was being considered and then finalized what the reasoning School City of Mish had for the move. I just don't remember what the discussion was at the time.   It would also be interesting to see the breakdown of ticket/concessions revenue after the move compared to previous NIC scheduling.   Of course it could not be done this year due to Covid restrictions for seating capacity.  😞  Am I crazy thinking this was about revenue as much as about competition?  

On 12/15/2019 at 2:50 PM, BoomBoomMcGee said:

I think that Warsaw will continue to build positive momentum towards a very good and stable 6A football program up north. I believe they will give Penn more of a challenge in the near term in the playoffs and possibly Elkhart in the medium to longer term.
Elkhart will have the athletes. its up to the coaches to develop them and create a winning football environment around the program starting in the feeder system / middle schools. I do believe Elkhart chose the right head coach to lead the program going forward. 

This

On 12/10/2019 at 4:14 PM, Huge Football Fan said:

Have the facilities at Mishawaka changed that much to say they are great? Where do they practice? Is it in that same grassy knoll area next to the stadium? The stadium is awesome with the video board and all but last I saw the practice area wasn’t what you would call great?

That practice field is what makes Mishawaka football players.   By early September it is dirt hole and hard as a brick.  Oh the good ole days of practicing there.  Rain?  mud slop...      Sun?  Dust and dirt flying everywhere     Hot?  dirt sweat stink    Cold?   pain from the cold and the brick dirt.  Plus the occasional small rock that would protrude through was always fun.  Game field grass was so comfortable to land on after practicing behind the stadium all week.      

Law is Law...  DCS should have been called.  A person with higher functioning taking advantage of of someone who is not.  It also could fall under the Indiana "Bullying" statute as it happened to the same person at least twice that is known.   Admin heads should roll.  Did admin educate the FB staff about prior incident?  If so, how did it happen again? If FB staff was aware of previous incident and did not prevent another????  FB heads should roll.    Where are the adults monitoring the locker room?  Where is the leadership on the team (players) stepping up and punching somebody in the mouth for taking advantage of their own manager?  We had a special needs manager my senior year.  He loved being part of it. He ran out to get the tee after kickoffs.  Everybody cheered.  

As far as P/P.  Not part of this discussion.  This happens in the best of school corporations. Carmel had some boys BB issues a few years ago.  This is a being a kind human argument.  

Three games all at once last week.  

Peru v Concordia on the radio  WARU Peru  101.9    Concordia so much better than a young Peru team.  6 wins after an 0-10 season last year....pretty nice turnaround for the young Peru Tigers, Coach Saint Louis and his staff.   Only 5 seniors.  

Mishawaka v Elkhart Central  on Google Play speaker  WSBT AM 960 South Bend  The alma mater did well holding off a tough Elkhart Central Squad.  How good is Elkhart High School going to be when they combine??....     Athletes from Memorial  +   Athletes from Central = Lots of Athletes!

Warsaw v Penn    on phone app NewsNow Radio  Warsaw 1480 AM     Was very intrigued by this game.  Wondered how the Warsaw running game was going to match up with Penn D.  Guess it did pretty well.  

Of course the Wife was not home Friday night as this type of entertainment ( 3 different games)  would have made her throw things. One is fine...three is not so fine.  

Good luck to all teams this week.

26 minutes ago, eschnur66 said:

 

Just curious, how many of those 13 times has Coach Curtis had the better team on the field?  

Great question    I would have to defer to the NIC folks for that answer.  Mishawaka had a few teams that were probably better based on them winning??? But sometimes that makes no sense either. 

1 hour ago, GOLDRUSH1985 said:

This will have nothing to do with Friday's outcome , but Bart Curtis is 0-8 the last 8 meetings with Penn . Knowing how to beat Penn and actually doing it Must be two different things . 

2-11 career wise I believe against Penn if you scroll back through the archives from Mishawaka to now.  Absolutely knowing and doing are two different things.   I guess my point should have been that he has beaten Penn and been very competitive with them at times when Penn was rolling everybody else on their schedule.   Penn is always going to be Penn. A record like this year is reflective of the Valpo squad and the two out of state powers Homewood  F and St X. and a rolling New Prairie team.  Beating Penn is a season maker for most schools in Northern Indiana.  Your point is noted and well-taken.   Good luck to both teams.  

13 hours ago, NLCTigerFan07 said:

Obviously a homer here, but the Penn @ Warsaw game is intriguing in the sense that Warsaw is seeking its first ever sectional championship. The Tigers are 0-6 all-time in sectional championship games, and I would argue this is their best opportunity to win when compared to their previous six matchups. However, in order to do so, they will have to knock off the mighty Kingsmen. Penn is 9-0 against Warsaw all-time, but this is exactly the reason why the Tigers hired Bart Curtis two years ago. Not only to compete for an win NLC championships, but compete in the state tournament year in and year out.

Should be an exciting atmosphere with Chuck Freeby and WHME Channel 46 on hand for the game of the week broadcast!

Plus....Bart knows how to beat Penn.  There is no "Oh its Penn...were doomed Penn Stigma" for Coach Curtis as many teams and coaches have.  The question becomes....can he instill this thought process into his kids for 48 minutes??  

On 8/28/2019 at 10:42 AM, Muda69 said:

That wasn't an upset.  Maconaquah was, is, and ever will be a basketball-first school.

 

Sorry DT, no way is Frankfort, or Clinton county for that matter, to considered to be in the southern Indiana.

 

Muda is correct about the basketball thing, BUT with the Colby kid coaching there with help from his dad...Mac has a chance to be a pseudo football school.  They always have size and some years good speed. Some years they have  Super Size AND Speed.  Those years were wasted away though a few years ago, losing to Peru in the Sectional.    When I say "help from his Dad" it is a total compliment to son and father.  Who wouldn't want Brett Colby on their sidelines? However, in a few very short years, young Colby will be just fine without any help.  Mac just needs to figure out how to keep him there when he wins 7-9 games a year with their schedule in the TRC and bigger schools come calling.  

Upset?  Southwood is pretty talented this year with a ton of returning kids.  Their coach is solid too.

17 minutes ago, WolvesOnTheProwl said:

Always liked the Frankfort Hot Dogs and the Mishawaka Cavemen

Only two Cavemen in the USA I believe

Rumors:  "complains about playing larger schools"        Peru had the same type of numbers as each of the other schools except maybe Western which at the time had been growing like crazy.  Not about numbers.  More to do with the fact that Taylor and Eastern were leaving the MIC. Which means adding Tipton and/or a Twin Lakes or the greater fear of Peru and Mac having to join the Hoosier conference where travel would have been horrendous as well as a football talent level through the roof  ie  Heights, Western, Tipton, Cass, WL, Renselear...   BOTH Peru and Mac saw the handwriting.  Huge football conference (not numbers of students....number of talented football players) Nobody complained....But a glimmer of sunshine called the TRC came calling. What fun it has been to be in the TRC, and I am serious about that statement. The rivalries are intense.  The travel is sane.   Talk to Tipton people about having to board a jet to get to Renselear Central  for a week night game. Nobody from Peru and Mac expected to waltz into the TRC and dominate in all Sports.  Granted...Peru has been the wrestling school (this year not so much, but they are as young as I have ever seen them)  Mac swims and runs very well.  Perspective:  Basketball   the year before Peru joins TRC they are 5-1 going into the Northwestern game in first place of the MIC.  Their record up to that point against the TRC?  1-4.  From first to last. You make it sound like the TRC is a bunch of shleps and that Peru should own the conference based on only class sizes.  

Nobody complained about larger schools, as Peru was middle of the road numbers wise.  Mac was middle of the road.  The logistics for BOTH Peru and  Mac made total sense.  TRC was not going to take Peru unless they had Mac and vice versa.  Talking about beating up on North Miami, Southwood, and Northfield belittles the coaches and kids at those schools.  Northfield, Southwood, and North Miami have had some great kids in the Peru TRC career.  Southwood just graduated a class of talent unlike many have seen at larger schools. Don't belittle other programs to benefit your argument.  Should Peru "beat up" on the TRC based on numbers alone?? Well Mac and Tippy Valley should too then.  The TRC is a quality athletic conference in many sports. weak in others....just like every other conference in the state.  

Coach Prescott will have his kids competing in that conference.  It may take a little time to adjust the culture, but it will happen.  Number of students and largest school mean nothing to a program that has not had any success.  There is a reason why HN has not had success as the largest school in the conference. What is the reason??? Its up to Coach Prescott to find it and at least compete.  Right now, I am not sure if HN is even competing.  

Done with rant I hope. The TRC is an outstanding conference choice for Peru.  It meets all of our needs in competition, travel , rivalry and fan base.  Our kids love playing TRC kids.  This was a perfect coaching choice for HN.

Not really sure of DT and/or TRC Junkie's agenda here.  BUT,  here are some facts.  Coach Prescott's first 4 years back at Peru, the MIC was the conference.  going into those seasons, Peru had a chance to be maybe win 4 games max.  Figure a loss to  Heights, Western, Cass, Northwestern (when John Hendryx was there). The talent level of those programs during that time was just so much better than Peru.   Logan , historically over the last 30 years has been a loss.  Get Taylor and Eastern on down years...wins.  Mac?  toss up although Mac had a few years of better athletes than Peru (Hicks).  

Moves to TRC in 2015.  Much better football equivalent for Peru.  finishes the next three years with a record of 20-12 with tournament and 18-9 without it.  1 championship, and a third place finish.  (***Northfield having to forfeit helped the championship year to be fair***)  The 3 year win total was the highest 3 year total for Peru in over 30 years.  9 games  over 500 in TRC.  So the statement that "well below average" is taken with a grain of salt.  Peru has not had predominately strong football year in and year out since the the early 1980's. Why????  the question of the century.  For whatever reason, Peru has a numbers issue. (generally less than 50 somewhere)  This has been ongoing since the late 1980's WHOMEVER is the coach. Again...the question of the century.  Might be a mute point as numbers are down across the USA in most programs.  A discussion for another thread. 

However, what HN gets is a Head Coach that develops young men to be responsible citizens, to take responsibility for their actions, and develops life long, meaningful relationships with his players. On the football side...he creates a mentally tough football player,  a player who learns to at least compete his butt off,  a player that will also learn to hit the living snot out of you as all Bob Prescott teams do, and the overall concept of Brotherhood within the team.     Good Luck Coach Prescott.