RetiredOfficial03

Had the chance to officiate Chatard's scrimmage and their last regular season game of the year. The strides they made from Week 0 to Week 9 were pretty darn substantial.  My brother coaches for the Rebels (don't correct me!), so I have been able to see quite a bit of film on my alma mater as well.  They completely destroy people up front.  Chatard reminds me of an early 2000s Center Grove team...smaller, but efficient and quick hitting blocking schemes.  Looks to be a good one Friday...I'll take the Rebels in the same score as their first match up 28-21

Knowing Jayson personally, there will not be a lot of kids "moving with him".  He is about as pure as it gets.  He will work with the township he has and go get kids to play that have not been.  This is what made him successful at Lawrence Central prior to WC.  

I know the youth numbers are up by almost 150 kids which is a huge number.  He is doing a good job within the community, along with their current strength coach.  FC could begin the long process of being a top contender based on what the township is giving them now.  However, that is going to take a long time given how big they already are. I can see them going from a dootstop, to a tough win fairly quickly.  Just will be hard to get moving too fast in that conference for sure.  I live in the township, and I wish them nothing but the best, but will still send my kids to Prague Road for High School.  

Southport- What is going on there? Alum head coach leaves for Beech Grove? I guess even more concerning, I am showing they still haven't made a hire yet? Ouch, it's getting late!  

Roncall and Bloomington South- Noticed on John Harrell's site that Roncalli has an opening in Week 8.  Thought that was supposed to be Bloomington South, and find out that Bloomington South terminated the contract in the recent weeks.  Doing that 6 months ahead of time is a pretty low blow.  Especially with the Circle City Conference and Conference Indiana having their agreements to help fill each other's schedules.  Sure, B. South will owe Roncalli money, but that money (and then some) will be spent on an out of state trip for the only way they will get a game this late.  Why does Bloomington South even stay in Conference Indiana if they are going to do that?  Just a bad look in my opinion.  I also do not have a ton of information, but unless there is a really good reason to terminate that contract, that shows a serious lack of class.  

28 minutes ago, Indiana Fan said:

CG should be playing Roncalli yes I agree. Both schools are close in miles and many of the same kids. Roncalli will not schedule CG I don't think. It used to be a great rivalry with awesome crowds.

I think that thinking of Roncalli "not scheduling" CG will not last much longer if both sides can come up with a common week and deal.  For awhile, in the early 2010's, it did not make sense for Roncalli to play CG anymore.....just way too outmatched and small.  Roncalli could at least somewhat compete with them due to their size, hopefully that trend continues! 

31 minutes ago, temptation said:

He’s referencing Carmel, Ben Davis, Warren and Penn.

Got it!

Forgot about the Penn dominance 20-30 years ago, as far as state titles.  

Every time I see this document, I feel like I say the same thing every time "wow, Franklin Central has a higher enrollment than Center Grove".  I live in Franklin Township, and with another few subdivisions going up right now, I won't be surprised if FC is in the top ten in the next few cycles as far as enrollment.  

On 12/7/2020 at 7:50 AM, BTF said:

The only four schools with 5+ state championship are ranked 1,2,4, & 6 in enrollment. It's not just a coincidence. 

Are you referring to CG with those rankings of enrollment? Trojans are not even in the top 10.  

12 minutes ago, Coach Nowlin said:

those who may not know, when you look at GATEWAY, that takes in a account any single amount of money that school issued that employee for that year.   That is not just teaching/coaching contracts.  

Take me for example, any time I helped out referring a middle school basketball game, that check got added to payroll, any other random supervision I got a 20 dollar check for, added on, etc etc.   

You do not know exactly know what these gateways that you are looking up are exactly from, you just see a number.  Just saying.  

Good point and true......

Safe to assume its the "salary plus stipend" or their administratvie positions.....

However, thinking of Center Grove in particular.....the number looks low, but they have a heck of a touchdown club, and that money wouldn't be involved from the school per say. 

2 hours ago, DACNUT said:

I would ask all of you to go to the Indiana Gateway if you are interested in how much your schools value head coaches by looking up these publicly funded salaries. I will also say, being from the region, we have known for years that whatever our coaches, teachers, administrators make in salary pales in comparison to the salaries they could make with a simple 5-10-20 or even 40 minute drive into Illinois to do the same job.

If a school district really wants to retain or bring in a high profile coach, they will find money at the highest pay rate and add in a bunch of strength and conditioning or extra curricular positions to jack up their coaching stipend. I would like to compare what the head coaches and ADs from our big schools make in each conference and from there you can tell how committed a district is to winning. I am willing to bet my kids lunch money that we have people if not close to, over 6 figures as head coaches. 

According to Gateway......which is accurate for myself personally.....

Avon, Westfield, Brownsburg all close to or above 6 figures......wow!  HSE and Fishers are first year coaches at their schools, so hard to get an accurate read on them based on Gateway takes into account the calendar year.  

I know we typically don't want to punish a kid for the rest of his life for one major mistake, however, I think this high school player needs to be charged with assault.  Unbelievable! 

https://www.maxpreps.com/news/7qOcRIuBwEatC487MQZAxA/2020-indiana-maxpreps-all-state-high-school-football-team.htm

1 selection from Roncalli

0 selections from Bishop Chatard  

But 2 from Mooresville and 2 from Hobart?  Interesting........

https://twitter.com/i/status/1307321027526090754

Hope this works.....

Blake Fisher doing work against FC......

48 minutes ago, temptation said:

Nope.  Never even been to a title game.

Believe he went to title game in '89 with Tri West.....lost to Luers.  Someone correct me if I am wrong. 

I agee Bobref.......

One bad call/one ball to bounce the right way for a team, can literally hinder a crew from advancing for years based on a coach's vote.  I am happy to see observers are getting out there more....I personally wish the observers had more of a say.  They are the ones that see the crews, and KNOW how to properly disect a crew's performance, NOT the powers that be on North Meridian Street.  

I hope I am clear when I say there are several crews that deserve the right to officiate the big games on Thanksgiving weekend, however, I just have seen too many that do not.  

I realize there is an officials forum, but wanted to see others opinions, if they had one.  

I will rant for a minute.  As a former tournament official, I am very disheartened at how officials are chosen (or not chosen) to move on in the tournament.  I know several good crews who do not gain enough votes, or simply do not have the "years of experience" to move on.  Those same officials are docked yearly because they do not advance further in the tournament to gain more points for future years.  It is a vicious cycle of the same crews year in and year out moving from Sectional Final, to Regional, to Semi State, to State and all over again way too often.  Let me be clear, I think some of these crews are excellent.....but I have seen some not so great officiating in state games as well.  

This week alone, according to IHSAA guidelines, 2 crews that are doing a regional championship are not even regional eligible.  How does this happen?  Why is this an issue year in and year out.  

I am worried for the future of officiating, and things like this will only hurt getting younger and experienced officials to get into officiating and staying with officiating.  A lot of these issues come from the top from a particular person.....It is time to either work with and hear the officials, or the tournament could be officiated by uncertified officials in the very near very future.  

How do we fix this?  I've seen too many good crews say "forget it" and not even apply for the tournament any longer due to these issues.  It really is a shame.  

Here is the crazy thing that people do not realize I do not believe. Cathedral's enrollment is down the past decade a little bit.  This is thanks to Guerin I am sure.  Chatard seems to stay steady.  Roncalli being the only southside Catholic school continues to rise in enrollment.  Should be interesting to see enrollments ten years from now.  

I am the former "rebel03".....still come in and around these parts 3-4 times a week.  I graduated in '04 and played on the '02 and '03 championship teams.  I was involved in the heyday of the "Horde"!  Man, those were great days......

Couple thoughts

On the name change- I am not "happy" about it, but we also live in a completely world.  It was not uncommon in the 90s for people to have the confederate flag at school flying from their cars.  That was nipped in the butt in the 90s, and was outlawed.  Admin said if that were to happen anymore, the student would be expelled, no questions asked.  I believe one student fell to this punishment, and this was no longer a problem.  As you have read, the term came from a famous pope who rebelled against church leaders for the greater good.  But, again, we are in different times now.  I have requested to be a part of the alumni side to be on the committee to find a new nickname.  You have to take the good out of the bad and move on.  

Current state of the program- My brother played quarterback in the early 90s for the Rebels and made the leap to go coach with Coach Rodenburg.  TW is back in the saddle doing some part time coaching with the offensive line. Brian Lauck is back, one of the best Rebel alums turned coach in the history of the school.  Numerous other alumni have come out of the woodwork to follow Rodenburg, including Jason Werner as well as others.  Rodenburg literally did not bring one person with him to be an assistant.  His background in Cincy Catholic football knew that someone that is a great leader will get the pack to follow him, and it is clear that the pack came to help him out.  This is the first time I have been excited to watch them play in a long time.  The iron fist is back, and ready to get into gear.  The kids are buying in, and have a solid nucleus back.  If anyone can do this, it will be Coach Rodenburg and the alumni there to help him out.  It is an exciting time, and I am happy for the program as a whole.  

There is a long way to go to get back to where they were, and maybe they never will, but I have hope that the right people are at least in place to get them where they need to go.  My son is a 4th grader at Saint Barnabas, I want him to grow up on Friday nights before high school watching what I was able to watch in the 90s.  It is a great thing when done right! 

Per her facebook page, Terry Riggs has been approved as the new head coach at Elwood.  I had the pleasure of working with Terry at Decatur Township.  He is a young, tireless worker.....If given the bare minimum tools, he will get it turned around up there. Congrats to Terry......Elwood found a gem in this hire. 

16 hours ago, Impartial_Observer said:

It is my understanding that the Rebel faithful knew that going in.

Correct....

One regular season loss to a very good DC team that year by 4, and a close loss to the Irish in the sectional.  That team had some leftover talent from the state championship team and was very good.  Success factor hurt bad that year for the Rebs.  

US31

I probably should have been more clear with that statement.

Prior to coming to Roncalli, Marsh didn't have a very good record of success as a head coach.  With that being said, a winning season in his first year at Roncalli, followed by two poor seasons....

Scott is a great coach, just has lacked the results to reflect that from a head coaching position at this point.  

Covington Catholic in Newport KY prior to Moeller

Love this hire!  Although the record wasn't great at LC, the track record from similar schools in tradition rich Cincy and Covington make this a splash compared to Marsh, who never won as a head coach.  Kudos to David Lauck and the administration for making this happen.  I believe the Hoard might be making a comeback in the near future with this hire! 

Word on the street is the QB is transferring......

Could be interesting. 

It would be a shame if it is not Sandra Walter.  It might be an even bigger shame if it IS Faulkens......Sandra shows respect to officials, coaches, AD's, etc. Hard to say the same about the latter.