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On 11/14/2023 at 1:35 PM, Muda69 said:

You obviously haven't walked the halls of your typical government high school recently, have you?     Your primary experience is with the automatons produced by the CYO football program.

You are wrong.  Most government school programs have tried and tried, over time, to emulate the P/P's and 99% of them fail.  The best they can hope for is that "once in a decade team", not reload year after year after year like the P/P's do.   Most P/P's just don't have the socioeconomic hurdles the governments schools face.

If your argument is "the school's haven't given us the opportunity" you lose the debate before it starts.  CYO is just an organization....like any community.   It's involved parents that make the difference and it takes years.   You're crying "poor me" because whatever community you're from hasn't done the same.   CYO doesn't provide anything except scheduling and organization.  It's not a government problem at all.  Yoi don't need government to have an involved community or  youth sports program.   Like I said...just a convenient excuse.  What Chatard has was built over 50 years.   It doesn't happen overnight and ultimately, you can be jealous and blame the government if you want to, but that's just a smoke screen.  Chatard has done it right for a long time.   

1 minute ago, Muda69 said:

How many Catholics reside in Marion and surrounding donut counties vs. Starke county?  And the Indy area p/p's have always been the oppressors, due the numerous advantages their government school counterparts will never have.  This has been argued ad nauseum on ever iteration of the GID since it's inception.

Prediction:  Chatard 96, Knox 0.

 

Question.  What prevents any school system from having a solid, consistent youth program, from having intense and accountable off season weight and conditioning programs, from hiring great coaches, and establishing a tradition?   That's what has built Chatard.   Yes...it's now 40+ years old, but there is no advantage any community can't establish over time.   Granted,  it's built in to the CYO program, but there is also CYO basketball, and  Catholics don't dominate that sport at all.  Same w volleyball.   Chatard oppresses nobody.  They just have the best program in the state, but started (and lasted 30 years) it with facilities worse than the Junction Boys.   Only recently have they moved into the 21st century.

1 hour ago, Coach Nowlin said:

Why can't Chatard earn enough points to stay in 4a?   That is a real question 

Moving up next year following regional win last week.  COVID reset put them in 3A following a season in 4A 2021.   They should definitely BE in 4A or even 5A, but it's not Chatard's fault they aren't.    The IHSAA dictates where teams play.    (For the record, Chatard does not recruit, does not pay tuition for athletes, and does nothing but use CYO as a youth program and uses fantastic coaches and off season work to be what they are)

2 hours ago, FarmerFran said:

Curious if Chatard has faced an offense similar to Knox's this year. I would assume (and could be wrong) that Chatard has exclusively faced spread teams. Knox does a great job of hitting opposing defenses with a variety of formations and looks while sometimes pulling what seems like half of their line on every play. Definitely a difficult offense to prepare for if you don't see something similar all season.

Were up 40-0 on Tippy Valley (similar enough) and will adjust to whatever Knox does.  Coaching staff is terrific, lots of seniors, lots of speed, lots of depth.   Knox's style won't be what gives them a shot if they have one.   They'll have to bully a better team for 4 quarters and do it without making mistakes or giving up points on defense.   Knox will have to score 3-4 touchdowns to have a shot and Chatard's "1's" on defense have given up 2 touchdowns since Labor Day.

2 hours ago, FastpacedO said:

Danville did have Chatard's number in 2016 and 2017, but they got that monkey off their back in 2020.

Danville was really good those years.   No question.  They were kinda' the first of those western suburbs to get good...now Avon and Brownsburg have both become even better than Danville.

19 hours ago, HNACReaper said:

Gotcha, I forgot that the sagarin has never been wrong and the projected winner always wins!  Honestly, we should probably just save everyone the risk of injury and anoint Chatard champs now.  
I don’t think that Knox thinks that at all.  I think that every team left should think they can win and if they don’t, they don’t belong here anyway. 

Chatards schedule is impressive and it is obviously why they are favored but I wouldnt instantly dismiss a team because their schedule, which they have no control over, is “weak”. 
If Chatard had the exact same team they have now but were from Royal Center you would still be praising whomever they were playing and have no idea because of their weak schedule.

You can only control whats in front and when it boils down, its two teams and the one that executes will win regardless of what their weak schedule or sagarin says.  

History says you're wrong.   Chatard has heard all of this before.   Knox has played nobody.  Happens every year with these rural teams and Sagarin - as it relates to Chatard and generally speaking - hasn't been wrong.   You can be condescending and hard headed all you want, but this is par for the course.  Heritage Hills in 2019 couldn't have talked more trash or been more naive.  Just like you.  Final?  34-3 Chatard.   Lawrenceburg a year ago.  Final?  34-14 Chatard and the defense this year is far better.  Tippy Valley talked.  40-7.  Delta was going to "run through Chatard's faces."  35-0 before Delta scored.   This movie is in syndicate....it's not new.   It's a rerun.  Chatard hasn't played Lakeview or Maconaquah.  You're right.   But if you think Knox beating up on those teams (again, zero games against top 64 rated schools) gives them a shot, I'd love a drink of your Kool Aid.   Chatard would name the score against every team Knox has played.  You can deny it all you want or discount anything you want.    Doesn't change anything.   Knox may keep it close for a while just because of the way they play, but they're. Ot bullying Chatard for 4 quarters.   Just not happening.  

3 hours ago, BLACKGOLD2007 said:

I will give Knox credit they have had an amazing season, but have they played anyone to the caliber of Chatard? This feels like TV game all over again...

Knox is 0-0 against Sagarin top 64.   Chatard is 7-0.   Knox may think they'll dictate things and that "Chatard hasn't seen anyone like us" yet.   But they have.   Unless Knox thinks they're better than Cathedral, Cincinnati Elder, etc.  Knox is used to playing with a lead against weaker teams.   Little different this week.   Game won't be close.

2 hours ago, HNACReaper said:

That is true. At this point in the tournament though, I think it is safe to say that all the remaining teams have played some pretty good teams along the way and that they all have the ability to beat somebody once……and thats all it takes!  

Knox has literally played nobody.  They are 0-0 against Sagarin top 64.  Chatard is #13 and 7-0 against that list.

3 hours ago, Trojan said:

Are there not any Heights fans on here anymore?  Used to be a proud bunch of Huskies up there.  Seems their either not around or are buying into all the Chatard hype.

Hype?

49 minutes ago, Just a dad said:

Last years difference. In game one Chatard was undisciplined and inexperienced. In game 2 they were out to prove something. The QB was nearly perfect and the receivers seemed like they were running their routes on air. 

That and Guerin came out with a game plan to stop the run, brought a safety down, never adjusted, and #11 threw for 350 with relative ease.

On 10/21/2023 at 2:05 PM, Trojan said:

Unless we're looking for this thread to go down the road of comparing our feelings about our rings, (I'm pretty fond of mine btw) what makes the outcome of Chatard and Guerin different this time around?  Chatard may be healthier, but beating a rival multiple times in a year is very, very tough.  For those of you who have forgotten, when Chatard, Roncalli, and Cathedral shared a sectional, the regular season victor rarely repeated in the playoffs.

I'd ask what you think the difference was a year ago?   31-30 regular season, 49-13 in the sectional and it wasn't that close.  Chatard's leading tackler was out the first time, and their QB got hurt in the first quarter.   Guerin's banged up and struggled with Peru.  Chatard would name the score against Peru the same way they did against TV.   I think this one gets ugly early and Chatard wins 35-7.

On 10/12/2023 at 11:36 AM, Tin Cup said:

Thoughts on this one?  Lot of good teams in this sectional.  I know Chatard is being labeled the favorite, but Guerin took them to OT, and Tippecanoe Valley/Hamilton Heights both undefeated and look very tough.   

Chatard played that one without its overall best player.   All due respect to #10, but #65 plays both ways and is a dominant DL which allowed Guerin to run it a little.   Will be different this time.  Chatard also lost its QB in the first quarter of the first matchup, and played the rest of the game with a sophomore who had never played a snap.    With Guerin's receiver situation,  I don't know how Guerin scores a point.    Guerin's unfortunately not as healthy as they were the first time, and Chatard's pretty close to full strength.  

On 10/12/2023 at 3:15 PM, Coach Nowlin said:

Tippy Valley is most impressive team I've seen on film this year

 

How about now?