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5 minutes ago, Ultimate Warrior said:

Yes they did. 

On another site their linebackers coach told me they would have won 1a through 3a last year. 

He laughed at me when I said there's a difference. Welp. He found that out last night. 

No we didn't. Did that team play last night?  And it was a team Pioneer plays every year. You make it sound like they got bumped up and found out how good the teams are in 2 A.  It's the team they play every year. 

19 minutes ago, foxbat said:

You do realize that LCC's been there before?  Played the 2A state champion to a 3-point game and played the2A  state runner-up with a minute of likely taking their place when they were there.

Oh I'm sorry. Did they win those games? A loss is a loss is a loss.

13 minutes ago, XStar said:

 

I read multiple discussions about how far up they'd have to go to find a challenge and usually the discussion started with 3A and West Lafayette.

First off that was last year's team not this year's. Secondly, it wasn't just Pioneer fans who thought that. Think you  would find if you looked back at the threads that Pioneer fans were in the minority of those who said that. 

It was a discussion on the internet. People stated their opinions. But you were offended. Get over it.

9 minutes ago, LCCAlum said:

You’re barking up the wrong tree.

LCC lost to the runner up by 4 and the state champ by 3.

Didn’t lose by 35 to where ever Cass ends up.

I’m out for the day, going to go watch a really good player on an irrelevant team, I’m sure you’ll be tuning into ABC to watch an irrevleant player on a good team. Maybe then we can figure out who the better player is. 

West Lafayette 50 LCC 0. 

2 minutes ago, LCCAlum said:

Well, I was simply answering a question I was asked.

But since you brought up denigrating of programs.... I know one program that competed in 2A and one program that hasn’t yet.  

How many times did LCC draw the number 1 team in the state in 2A in the tournament? Yeah, didn't think so.

It's funny. Pioneer plays Lewis Cass every year. And have more than held their own with them. But if you want v to make out that this one game is some sort of statement about Pioneer, fine. Just remember this same Cass team also best 3A West Lafayette who was ranked 2nd in 3A just last week. 

How quickly they forget. 

2 hours ago, LCCAlum said:

So Bell got that much better at football over the summer because of the Purdue training staff.... Duly Noted.

Bell plays for a 2-5 completely irrelevant Purdue team. Not sure what point you're trying to make but it should be pointed out that playing wide receiver is the easiest position on the field for an incoming freshman to earn immediate playing time. That, and running back. Other positions usually take some time to transition. But everyone knew Bell was  athletically gifted and that is what is needed for a freshman to get playing  time at that position. 

It seems as if some are trying to denigrate the Panthers for losing to the number 1 team in 2A by saying "See, 2A is so much tougher". Well, doesn't that argument then denigrate your own team that plays in 1A? 

What you're  doing now is making excuses.

The point is for you to see that it's not so easy to just pull your starters. There are reasons why a coach doesn't just pull his guys out. Now that the shoe is in the other foot, one would hope you could see that.

14 minutes ago, Ultimate Warrior said:

Well since it wasn't an issue last week, i imagine it'll be the same this week... Some back ups and jv kids starting and doing a lot of subbing through out the game. 

They're not back ups and jv if their starting. By definition they're starters and, by your own rules, they must come out in a blow out situation. No excuses and no  exceptions. 

The only question is how long will Winamac leave their starters in?

8 hours ago, Ultimate Warrior said:

Keeping your starters in on offense and defense after half when your up 48 to 0? Or 55-0? 

On a Purdue forum last year, a certain Pioneer poster had a conniption fit when people on there called them out for keeping their starters in against LCC and North Vermilion. People around the state saw that and as do others in our conference. Its just the main posters in these thread are either Pioneer coaches using multiple names, a couple Pioneer coaches who use 1 account and a LaVar Ball wanna be.. Then there's us... Then some certain posters who are so far up in the Panther staff's back side that they don't know what's night and what's day. 

 

Leaving the starters in is a two way street. If I'm coaching I'm not sending my under sized and not completely developed freshman out there so your seniors can feel better about themselves and say yay we scored. I've seen that done and seen the freshman's career ended by a gruesome knee injury. Also, saw the senior who hit the kid stand over him and celebrate like he'd just won the Superbowl. There are ways to attempt to hold the score down without pulling all your starters. Like not giving the ball to v for best player/s. I don't have the stats in front of me but if be willing to bet Jack and Danny didn't have 25 second half runs in the second half of games all last year. Most games 0. So, here's an idea. How about we leave player personnel decisions to the coaches on both teams? They know more about their respective players than you it I do.

On 9/30/2019 at 8:43 PM, Ultimate Warrior said:

Had no idea that was even in consideration until i saw tweets in the middle of the season by a certain someone and you know exactly who im talking about. 

The state isn't stupid. We all saw what was going on and i know people on here and on Harrells called them out for it. 

What were they being called out on exactly? You don't want the score run up? Play better defense. You don't want shutout, play better offense. It's not Pioneer's coaches job to worry  about  your feelings. Their job is to put their people into the best possible position to be successful, both in life and on the field. Part of that is setting goals. If their players have goals that you don't want them to achieve, then try and stop them. It's really that simple. 

I really have a hard time understanding how their attempting to set records is so offensive. Why do they keep the records for if not to give teams something  to shoot for?

You can't argue with it  It's math.

You guys who continue to point out that Laville had guys out as well are missing the point. 

The reason I brought up the injuries to the Panthers  was becausev someone said before the game that the Panthers haven't any depth. The fact that they had those guys out disproved that theory. No one question whether Laville had depth or not so the defensive post that " we had guys out too" is meaningless. 

But if it makes you feel better, fine. Whatever.

17 minutes ago, SL816 said:

At the snap, the left guard ran 10 yards down field. He stood there as the pass was being thrown.

Right in front of ref who is looking right at him and whose job it is to watch for that. You'd almost have to purposely turn a blind eye to it. Only one bad call or non call among several.

By the way and for the record Pioneer won without their starting guards, TE, OT, middle linebacker and SS and still won by 3 TDs 

So much for not having any depth 

31 minutes ago, SteelCurtain88 said:

What’s the officials comment referring to?

It's referring to the fact that refs in the tournament are assigned and not hired locally. 

That one last night was one of the worst officiated games I'ever seen.

And I've seen a lot of poorly officiated games.  

1 hour ago, SteelCurtain88 said:

I’m here to eat crow!!  Pioneer, is the better team, and Lewellen is the best player.  I find it hard to think he is going to stay healthy all season.  He takes a beating and just comes back for more, made me a believer in the kid.  That would be my #1 concern.  Overall I was pleased with Laville defensively, they punched them in the mouth and showed some toughness. The offense was disappointing!   There seems to be no continuity in the play calling.  First half seemed to be all run and second half all pass.  The passing was effective but they needed to mix it up, to keep good defenses like Pioneer’s guessing.  To predictable IMO.  Was Watts hurt?  He was hardly involved in the run game.  The kid has showed he can get the edge and be explosive vertically but was nonexistent in the scheme last night.  Between that and the inability to convert in the red zone, which was pathetic was the difference.  They got plenty to work on but would like to see a rematch in sectionals.

I think the Panthers would be fine with a rematch. I mean, the IHSAA assigns officials in the tournament still, correct?

8 minutes ago, Ultimate Warrior said:

You have to also look back and see this team isn't nearly as talented as the 15,16,17 and 18 teams. This is a pretty good Pioneer team but I dont think they are on THAT level. 

How many teams are? Those teams are a few of the best in the history of 1A football. Those teams were blowing teams out by 50 points at halftime. Sometimes earlier. Had running clocks in nearly every game for two years straight. So if they beat teams by fifty now in four quarters, are they half as good as last year? I know every fan of every other team is anxiously awaiting their chance.

This isn't it. 

Look, the seniors on this team have played in three state championship games. The juniors have won two  straight state championships. You don't do that with one or two guys. Some of these guys talents were subsumed by the presence  of the greatest player in 1A history. Now, is their time to shine. 

I think if you look back at the stats for the past several years, you will see that the Panthers have not had a bugaboo for several years. Don't look for them to start one now. 

Panthers pull away in this one. 

Again. 

Pioneer 2017. Fullback/middle linebacker broke his leg at semi-state. 

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