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  1. 58 minutes ago, RegionFBFan said:

    If you could make just 1 change and only 1 change, what would this change be for IHSAA Football?

    This can be anything from a rule change, classification, tourney structure, schedule, etc....  Be specific and only one. 

    Example of a broad, non specific change that has a lot of changes within it would be the IHSAA Tournament - Add a 10th regular season game, tournament qualification system, seed the qualifiers, Neutral sites.  This is too broad, so.....

    Mine - Neutral Sites for Sectional, Regional and SemiState Championship Games

    I apologize if old topic but I'm bored out of my skull with the lockdown and trying to stimulate some discussions.  I can only watch so much Netflix!!!

     

    4 minutes ago, DannEllenwood said:

    I challenge you to watch or re watch or re re watch, Tiger King. 😂 

     

    I saw this question pop up on Twitter so it may help you out with your boredom RegionalFBFan. If Joe Exotic was the head ball coach of a high school program, what kind of defensive & offensive scheme would he run?

    For those of you who haven't watched Tiger King yet I agree with DE you need to watch it, and here's a couple pics of who you're dealing with . . . 

    Tiger King' Star Joe Exotic Sues Government, Former Business ...Meet Joe Exotic. He's the owner of GW Exotic Animal Park and the ...

     

  2. 51 minutes ago, FastpacedO said:

    Yes the game has changed the last 15 years. Yes athletes have evolved in the size, strength, and speed department.

    I have watched more football games than you could fathom at all levels. I personally have watched my sons teams run 4 different offensive schemes: I Formation (with some sprinkled in shot-gun), belly offense, up tempo shotgun spread, and power spread. I have also watched him personally play in different defensive formations: 4-4, 4-2-5, 4-3, and 3-4. He currently plays OLB in college just finishing up his Junior year.

    I also have been to a lot of H.S. games prior to my son hitting High School and after. I have been to every State Championship for the last 22 years with the exception of this year I had to watch from my phone as I was out of town in another State. I have seen several different Coach Bob Springers  (you may not know who that is HOF Coach from Indianapolis Washington)T formation, Coach Moore's Wing T, Coach Colby's Wing T in a phone booth, Coach Wrights Flex Bone triple option, Coach Ralph's Power Spread, Coach Fishers Fly Offense, Heck I think it was either Greensburg or Batesville one year I watched run the single wing (my memory fades on that one). I have seen 1 personnel groupings, 10 personnel, 20 personnel, 23 personnel you name it.

    One thing remains the same if a team runs an offensive concept they can be successful in it if they hit the weight room for strength, and repitition their offensive scheme are disciplined and execute.

    The spread offense was not created because of freakish athletes. It actually was created to spread the defense out creating natural holes in the line and seams in the secondary. Spreading out defenses reduced the need to power block by undersized lineman. The Shotgun Spread has been around since 1956 and Coach Neumeier started the modern spread offense (or basketball on grass like Coach Tiller ran) in 1970.

    It was Batesville. Coach Heppner used to run the Wing T / Single Wing. They would shift pre snap from one to the other. We called it the James Brown Turn Around when we played against it. Absolute nightmare to play & coach against. 

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  3. 31 minutes ago, hhpatriot04 said:

    Let's talk competitive balance. If you plot any random sample on a chart you end up with a bell curve. Who in their infinite wisdom decided 5A should have 32 teams and 1A 64 or so? Logically it doesn't make sense, so what was the real reason? 

    The farther away from the median enrollment across all classes the larger the disparity (percentage in smaller schools) and by count in the larger. Does the IHSAA know math? 

    Always thought the same. Even though the number disparities would be larger for the higher classes they would still have an easier time at finding those 11-22 guys than the little schools would. 

  4. 18 hours ago, Impartial_Observer said:

    It is a scrimmage kick just like a punt, and treated the same way. 

    So then a Field Goal that goes out of bounds at anywhere outside of the End Zone would be the spot where the opposing offense takes over?

  5. On 6/14/2019 at 10:23 PM, Irishman said:

    Well this is odd. Snider is being placed back in 6A due to the changes. Apparently, the IHSAA is going to redo sectional alignments. This article does not say who else is affected, but does say more schools than just Snider will be impacted.

    https://outsidethehuddle.net/2019/06/14/ihsaa-rules-change-bumps-snider-football-back-to-class-6a/?fbclid=IwAR0SkrQJvD9JgnoHvNmYJ7cKw9QaeJzoGPPnMx6jcGO2mrcZfCQV9YBi_T8

    Let me ask the dumb question. Is the IHSAA only doing realignments for the 4A through 6A sectionals or every class?

  6. 13 hours ago, DT said:

    By just about any measure, this program would be considered an abysmal failure.  

    Has the school ever considered contraction?

    Or has a move to a less competitive conference been considered?

    If the kids are just choosing football to stay in shape and kill time before basketball season, there are many other more cost effective options

    Maybe the new assistant AD will lead he program in the direction of potential contraction given the extreme challenges they face year in and year out

     

    1 hour ago, DT said:

    I certainly understand and appreciate your point of view

    However I do believe that momentum is building in this country towards the contraction option for chronically non competitive football programs .   It's certainly an unpopular and distasteful option for many fans and supporters, but it is the right and practical choice for many schools facing insurmountable headwinds

    You have a new generation of admins who are coming into power who do not have the loyalty and passion to football as did their predecessors

    Changing demographics also portend continued participation declines, further exacerbating existing challenges

    I believe we will continue to see a slow but steady decline in high school football programs in Indiana and across the country, especially in the Midwest and the Northeast where population declines have been the trend for the past decade.  

    Didn't I read a while back you were "retiring" from the GID? We'll have to change your name from DT to Brett Favre.

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  7. 11 hours ago, psaboy said:

     

    Indiana is now requiring teachers to do additional work to renew license after July 1st. This is another great example of poor leadership at the education level of our great state. But I guess on the bright side, we can soon gamble on pro and college sporting events in Indiana and a few more casinos have been approved. Way to go INDIANA !!!

    A new law centered on Career and Technical Education (CTE) signed by Gov. Holcomb will make major changes to teacher Professional Growth Plans (PGP) beginning July 1.

    The changes come from HEA 1002. ISTA opposes this additional requirement of traditional public-school teachers. 

    For teachers who have not yet started their license renewal, we urge them to start the process in the Licensing Verification and Information System (LVIS) before July 1, to avoid this new PGP requirement for their next renewal.

    The Indiana Department of Education (IDOE) has issued guidance on the upcoming changes. As outlined:

    License holders starting a PGP for renewal in their Licensing Verification and Information System (LVIS) accounts after July 1, 2019 are required to complete 15 of the 90 PGP points required for renewal in one or more of these areas:

    • An externship with a company;
    • Professional development provided by the state, a local business, or a community partner that provides opportunities for school and employers to partner in promoting career navigation;
    • Professional development provided by the state, a local business, or a community partner that outlines:
      • current and future economic needs of the community, state, nation, and globe; and
      • ways in which current and future economic needs described in (A) can be disseminated to students.

    Ok so I'm trying to think to myself why would the state require this of teachers? I guess to get more involved in the community, maybe? My question is if the state want to require PGP points come from specific areas of concentration then how come the state does not provide any PGP points for coaching? Or why wouldn't the state require teachers gain X amount of PGP points from coaching a sport, sponsoring a club, or doing x, y, z for students? I've heard multiple head coaches say the issue is schools are hiring teachers who show up at 8 AM and leave at 3 PM. I know a lot of this comes down to years of experience issues talked about above but it would be a way to get teachers who are already in the building involved in something.

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  8. 9 hours ago, psaboy said:

     

    Indiana is now requiring teachers to do additional work to renew license after July 1st. This is another great example of poor leadership at the education level of our great state. But I guess on the bright side, we can soon gamble on pro and college sporting events in Indiana and a few more casinos have been approved. Way to go INDIANA !!!

    A new law centered on Career and Technical Education (CTE) signed by Gov. Holcomb will make major changes to teacher Professional Growth Plans (PGP) beginning July 1.

    The changes come from HEA 1002. ISTA opposes this additional requirement of traditional public-school teachers. 

    For teachers who have not yet started their license renewal, we urge them to start the process in the Licensing Verification and Information System (LVIS) before July 1, to avoid this new PGP requirement for their next renewal.

    The Indiana Department of Education (IDOE) has issued guidance on the upcoming changes. As outlined:

    License holders starting a PGP for renewal in their Licensing Verification and Information System (LVIS) accounts after July 1, 2019 are required to complete 15 of the 90 PGP points required for renewal in one or more of these areas:

    • An externship with a company;
    • Professional development provided by the state, a local business, or a community partner that provides opportunities for school and employers to partner in promoting career navigation;
    • Professional development provided by the state, a local business, or a community partner that outlines:
      • current and future economic needs of the community, state, nation, and globe; and
      • ways in which current and future economic needs described in (A) can be disseminated to students.

     

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  9. 20 hours ago, oldtimeqb said:

    While I agree with some sentiments, I would honestly like someone to find a game where a team trailing by 35 points in the second half came back to win.  There might be one or two, but they are far from the norm.  

    Last year in our regular season game against Batesville we were down by 30 at half, I know it's not 35 but less than a score away. We came back in the second half of the game. Batesville didn't score and our offense tied us up at 30. We lost in OT on a FG. I know this isn't the norm but these situations do occur.  

    20 hours ago, oldtimeqb said:

    And once it starts running - let it run with the exceptions given - score, timeout, injury.  Team A is up 41-0 with 6 minutes to go in the game.  Do you really want to see them throw in their starting defense for a goal-line stand against Team B to protect the running clock?  That's just ridiculous, IMO.   

    I understand what you're saying here and agree that would be ridiculous, I'd like to think common sense would prevail in that situation but we all know how that works out sometimes.

    My worry is when a team is down 35-0 to start the second half and runs the opening kickoff back to make it 35-7 but will still have to attempt to make a 4 score comeback with a running clock. I think the issues with the rule are not in how we play the last half of the 4th quarter like the scenario you listed above. The issue is how we play the 3rd quarter.

    I understand wanting to end blowouts quicker, preventing injuries and everything else. I agree with the overall intentions of the rule. But the way the rule is written there is no incentive for a team to attempt a comeback.    

    5 minutes ago, InTheMuddyTrenches said:

    Even with the "mercy rule" now taking effect once the 35 point differential threshold has been reached, the 40 seconds play clock will still run normally.  So, besides running the game clock between a touchdown being scored and the kickoff how much time are we really eliminating since you still have to snap the ball every 40 seconds? 

    This is a great point. I remember coaching a game before the 40 second play clock where we had a running clock going in the second half. The white hat would sometimes wait a good extra 10 to 15 seconds to start the old 25 second clock. Can't do that anymore. The only thing the running clock will eliminate is stopping the clock after an incomplete pass. 

    This kind of creates a new strategy for coaches too. If you on the positive side of a running clock won't you just wait until the play clock goes to 1 second every play? You could launch a fade out of bounds for three plays and still run the clock.

  10. 25 minutes ago, Coach_K said:

    I do not disagree with you, but here are a couple of things to think about:

    1. This is just a starting point.  Every idea will have some tweeks along the way.

    2. 35 point comebacks are rare.  So IMO a running clock depends on the situation. Playoffs v. Regular Season

    3. Baseball, Softball and Soccer all have mercy rules, so this is a logical progression for a team sport.

    Totally agree it's a starting point. My issues aren't with the mercy rule in general just the way it's being implemented. 

    I know 35 point comebacks are rare. My issue, which is a small one, is they are treating a 35 point deficit in the third quarter like it is equal to a 35 point deficit in the 4th quarter. I'd like to see the point differential higher for the 3rd quarter but that's more of a personal preference.

    The part that I do not agree with at all is the continuation of the running clock whether or not the point deficit is still 35 points. If you come out at half time down 35-0 however small your chances to come back were your chances now are essentially over, especially if the other team gets the ball first. What incentive are we giving for teams to fight back if there is no chance the clock goes back to normal? Might as well do it like baseball and have a 35 point "run rule". I think this part of the rule is going to create second half scenarios that are absolute jokes. Your two possible scenarios are the losing team surrenders defeat and doesn't try or they make a comeback only to run out of time to do so. 

  11. Overall I understand why the rule is being put in place but two things bother me . . . 

    1. No stopping a running clock if the score is brought back within 35 points. I'll call it right now that this will end many teams chances at having a chance to come back.

    2. Only 35 points at Halftime. In my opinion that's not a big enough point differential. I understand that means a team will have to score 5 times without the other team scoring just to tie but I still think that's too quick.  

    I hope the IHSAA revisits this in a year or two and makes some adjustments like they have with the Success Factor.

  12. 10 minutes ago, JustRules said:

    Our school district has a robotics team attending the World Robotics competition in Detroit this weekend. They left yesterday so will miss 3 days of school this week. They missed a day twice in March/April already for a total of 5 missed days. Granted the competition is within the 300 mile range, but they are competing against teams from all over the world. I know they are outside the scope of the IHSAA but the same schools that make up the sports rule have no problem allowing these kids to miss school. Same with marching band competitions. I agree this should be a local issue and the IHSAA membership should approve this change.

    It's a total double standard for athletes. Unfortunately many people in education don't see the link between athletics and academics. 

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  13. 38 minutes ago, dmizers3 said:

    Completely disagree.  I think it should go the other way.  Like a 4 year cycle instead of 2.  1 very good class can easily get you enough points to move up which I don't think was the intention at all.  

    I'd be in favor of a longer cycle as well. Completely agree that one great class can ruin the opportunity to compete for a good not great upcoming class. 

    I'd like to see an "Unsuccess Factor" too. I've read about it on here before and thought it was a good idea. Bump a team down if they haven't won a sectional game is x amount of seasons. I think it would be a great way for struggling programs to build. I realize it would not benefit struggling 1A teams but that would be about the same as teams who are struggling and stuck in 6A because of enrollment in the current system.

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  14. 2017-28

    http://www.ihsaa.org/Portals/0/ihsaa/documents/quick resources/Enrollments & Classifications/Football Enrollments and Classifications 2017-19.pdf

    2019-20

    http://www.ihsaa.org/Portals/0/ihsaa/documents/quick resources/Enrollments & Classifications/football schools 19-20.pdf

    Interesting side notes, the only school to go up in numbers was Lawrenceburg & Rushville dropped below Batesville.

    East Central: 1,225  (-77)

    Connersville: 1,028  (-83)

    South Dearborn: 826  (-42)

    Franklin County: 764  (-72)

    Greensburg: 734  (-16)

    Batesville: 700  (-33)

    Rushville: 695  (-47 )

    Lawrenceburg:678  (+59)

  15. http://www.ihsaa.org/Portals/0/ihsaa/documents/quick resources/Enrollments & Classifications/football schools 19-20.pdf

    Only three 4A schools left in the EIAC. If things keep going the way they are there will only be two by the 2021-22 cycle. So if Franklin County part of the 3A conference now? Will South Dearborn be in two years if they continue to drop? Would be kinda neat to see a one game conference matchup between Connersville & East Central.

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