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Eastern Hancock (2A) High School's Head Coaching position open... Will be their 5th Head Coach since state finals appearance in 2013.
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8 hours ago, foxbat said:
The classes don't matter all that much directly. Sagarin is, for the most part, class-agnostic in its formulation, although size, etc. does play a part indirectly ... i.e., all things relatively equal a 6A school should wear down a 3A school over four quarters.
Realize that Linton has played a pair of teams, Sullivan and Southridge, with 86.x and 85.x ratings respectively. Outside of Washington, those are the strongest schedule teams in 3A so far. Monrovia's sitting at 53.x.
For Luers, the opponent strengths are Carroll at 77.x and Wayne at 79.x. and Homestead at 65.x. The Wayne strength is fairly decent for 4A, but the others are average at best for the respective class. Toss in that there's the "in-breeding" factor of the SAC for scheduling ... they play a "self-contained" league schedule for their nine games ... and that's going to skew some of the Sagarin numbers that you see for Luers and other SAC teams.
Something I've been thinking about since instituting the running clock rule.... Does that factor in at all to Sagarin's calculations? The difference between a 35-0 game and a 35-14 game because a team put in the JV against the opponents starters seems like it would make a pretty big difference if there was no consideration to getting the mercy rule to trigger.
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On 4/8/2020 at 6:06 PM, DT said:
Hoosiers need to aim for the ceiling on Tanona and Center Groves Caden Curry, the top offensive and defensive linemen in the state Class of 22.
Will be watching this one closely to see if Allen can close these two blue chippers.
https://247sports.com/Season/2022-Football/RecruitRankings/?InstitutionGroup=HighSchool&State=IN
Last week was a big one for Tanona.... THE Ohio State University and Notre Dame added to his belt. He is quickly becoming the most sought after player in IN 2022 class.
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Zionsville's Joey Tanona added Kansas State and Arizona State in the past week or so. https://247sports.com/Recruitment/Joey-Tanona-130179/RecruitInterests/
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Looks like HSE will be looking for a new coach as Adam Morris was named the OC at DePauw University. Great opportunity for Coach Morris, and a great opening from a district/talent/conference perspective.
https://depauwtigers.com/sports/fball/2019-20/releases/20200311kzfneb
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My personal favorite is Brownsburg. No track makes the crowd feel like they are on the sidelines.
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Zionsville's Joey Tanona (2022) was offered by Tennessee. This makes offer number 5 for the incoming Junior.
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Congrats to Charlie! Would not be surprised one bit if he were to earn himself a scholarship down the road.
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On 12/4/2019 at 12:14 PM, DT said:
Admins are forcing an athletic menu down kids throats. Football is not a requirement, like math and basic english.
And high school football is designed to support other sports through gate revenue and concessions.
Where football is on the cusp of contraction, I say let the kids decide.
Football was growing leaps and bounds back then.
It is contracting today. We are past the peak, at all levels.
It happens
When I was in MS our Varsity football team won 6 games in 4 years and had less than 30 kids on the team. We hired a new coach my freshman year and by my Junior year was playing for the state championship with over 60 kids on a 1A roster.
At a 1A or 2A school it only takes a couple of good classes or a coach that instills belief into the program for numbers to turn it around. Was the school supposed to close the doors on the program after 5 years of ineptitude and historically low numbers? In my opinion, success and numbers, especially at a small school level is cyclical. There were maybe 2-3 kids on my state championship team that would have played at a larger school, if the administration would have given up on the program it would have deprived the other 60+ kids the opportunity to be a part of something special.
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1 hour ago, FastpacedO said:
It will definitely stand for awhile. It will take a RB starting as a Freshman and starting all 4 years to even attempt to break them. Not only that but they have to average great numbers each year.
Not only start as a Freshman, but would need to play in a very run heavy offense (like Charlie did at Delta and NP) to even have a chance. Four year starter in a spread offense that throws it 20 times a game likely has no chance.
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Relevant to the fixing the 6A tournament topic thats on here right now, but also involves the 5A people too so figured it necessary to spin off.
IndyStar did a highlight on what it would look like to seed the 5A and 6A tournament next year. Pretty interesting article:
What are everyone's thoughts? I think it would make for some great late tournament matchups that may occur early on in the current format (e.g. Cathedral/NP, Avon/BB)
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29 minutes ago, FormerFalcon said:
There are several deserving players, but if Charlie doesn't win the award should be retired
Patiently waiting for the Warren contingent chiming in about how the award should have been retired after last year...
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14 hours ago, dmizers3 said:
Now that the season is over, curious if anyone thinks there is a legit case for anyone other than Charlie Spegal for Mr. Football? I know I am biased, but objectively I can't see voting for anyone else.
I think this is the easiest winner in recent memory. Charlie easily could have won this a Junior and probably could have been in the conversation as a Sophomore if it weren't for the SR only rule.
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Just now, DannEllenwood said:
Is CG's QB (Jackson?) a current sophomore?
@cg_holmeaid would know for sure, but I believe the answer is yes. A full season with him and Steele will be fun to watch.
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8 minutes ago, cg_holmeaid said:
I would say Caden Curry DL at Center Grove, but I don’t know if you would consider his sophomore year his breakout year or not.
I think any Sophomore playing for a state finalists is in an excellent position going into next year
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Who are some of the to-be Juniors that are poised to breakout in 2020? Could be someone who is inline to inherent a great situation or someone who saw significant success as a Sophomore. Some of my favorites:
-Clark Barrett, QB, LCC... looked impressive in the state finals game
-Gehrig Slunaker, QB, MV... going into his 3rd year as a starter... led MV to the Semi-State, also has a great to-be Junior WR in Ashden Gentry
-Houston Swan, QB, Eastern Hancock... broke almost every school record as a Sophomore and has great weapons who were also Sophomores in Cole Rainbolt and Landon O'Neal
-Colin Price, RB, Zionsville... led all 6a RB's as a Sophomore
-Omar Cooper, LN... Nearly 1k yards receiving as a Sophomore in the MIC
Would love to hear who else is out there.
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16 hours ago, crimsonace1 said:
The Hoosier Heritage Conference is a pretty tight-knit group of schools and nobody is going to leave the conference for football only. There's really no place to go at this point - the Mid-State is already at 8 teams and while NP plays a lot of those schools in other sports, it doesn't have a real rivalry with any of them. Conference Indiana is a poor geographic fit and the schools are all 5A/6A enrollments and either Marion County township schools or small-city schools. The HCC is also at eight teams and are all *very big* 5As or 6As.
Coach Ralph has said *many times* how impressed he is with the quality of coaching in the league, and he just helped spearhead a youth football tournament for 4th-5th-6th graders at all HHC schools. Mt. Vernon, Pendleton Heights and Delta are all solid programs that are getting better. The conference will be very competitive next year.
Now, it's hard to project a decade into the future, but it's not out of reach to see MV, NP and PH all topping 2,000 students given how quickly things are growing. MV's growth is explosive, PH's proximity to Noblesville and I-69 will likely lead to additional growth, and NP is in the beginnings of an explosion of residential growth that will likely increase high school enrollment by 250-300 in the next 4-5 years.
New Palestine's a pretty good situation. Football-crazed community, very well-established feeder program, culture in place with kids buying in, a school that pays its teachers well, good administrative support, growing community. Why leave that to start over somewhere else?
I don't disagree with any of this.
Want to be clear in saying I think the answer is also "A" here.
I think NP is a top 10 job in the state, no doubt. I just wanted to spark discussion to see what everyone else thinks. I think the one difference between me and the rest of the group here is I'd put it at more 80/20 as Ralph being a NP lifer as opposed to leaving at some point when many seem to think its closer to 95/5. I just think eventually someone makes a Godfather offer or opportunity that he can't pass up.
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15 hours ago, crimsonace1 said:
Every AD in the state with a job opening wouldn't be doing his homework if it didn't at least call. I don't know if that constitutes "interviewing." But there's a difference between taking a phone call. He can have pretty much any job he wants, and yet, he's stayed in NP for seven years.
Meanwhile, two very high-profile coaches left MIC schools in the last five years to coach in the HHC, which tells you a lot about the desirability of jobs in this league and area of the state. The grass isn't always greener on the other side. New Pal isn't Mayberry - it's a growing, upper-middle class community 15 miles from downtown Indianapolis with a tremendous amount of community support and a passion for football. You don't find that everywhere.
I'd consider "interviewing" as attending an interview at the school with an AD, which he has done. I'd say that's a little different than fielding a phone call.
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2 minutes ago, Bobref said:
Rick Wimmer was among the best in-game high school football coaches I ever saw. I wonder if I’m the only official who worked games he coached in at all four schools: Zionsville, Merrillville, Greenwood, and Fishers.
Rick always seemed to be a great guy, and the Fishers program is certainly in a really good spot. What years was he at Zionsville? Was he directly before Larry Mac?
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9 minutes ago, DannEllenwood said:
Used as leverage?
Many coaches do this.
Absolutely they do, but how many times does that work/get out of NP range? I don't know the answer to that, but surely can't be more than a couple.
7 minutes ago, Temptation said:Oh, I’ve seen worse...
Ah yes the "sports performance coordinator" gig that is out there is much worse...
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7 minutes ago, Staxawax said:
They are growing. They will not be in the HHC is 5-7 years because of growth. Possible HCC or MIC future?
As far as Coach Ralph, it seems like he has this program going like Center Grove. Oversee's the youth program, etc.
He's built a great program, no doubt. It's incredible impressive the stuff he has done at NP. I think your right from a growth perspective as that area is set to explode over the next decade. It'll be interesting to see if that will be enough to get them into the HCC or MIC as they are still 1k or so students away from the smallest school in either of those conferences. Not to mention rival MV growing on the opposite side of the county which is closer in proximity to the HCC schools. Perhaps they consider getting out of the HHC for football only down the road, as it could be tough to compete in other sports that don't excel as well as softball or football at NP.
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4 minutes ago, Temptation said:
I won’t pretend to know Coach Ralph personally but I can say that the word “premier” means different things to different folks.
I am not sure why he would leave at this point as he basically has the keys to the city and has the train rolling downhill...
Southern Hancock is one of the highest paying school corporations in Indiana so I assume he is making good coin...
New Palestine has great demographics and facilities and is a growing suburban community...
The grass is not always greener on the other side... see Noblesville and Lawrence Central.
Based on the above factors I believe New Pal is just getting started.
All great points, but at what point does he get bored playing an HHC schedule? If all this stuff was true then why interview at other places? For leverage? Just seems strange to say 100% its not happening when year after year he meets with other programs with openings. He very well could be a NP lifer, and I'm not saying he won't be, just think there may be more factors in play.
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2 minutes ago, Olympian06 said:
A.
Ralph is like Jesus Christ himself in New PAL. His wife is from there, he oversees almost the entire youth football program. He has such a deep relationship with that program and community, I would be stunned if he goes anywhere anytime soon.
I figured this would be an early response. And this makes a lot of sense, but neglects the fact that Ralph has been considered and interviewed for other premier jobs in the state.
Gridiron Digest Indiana Football Report - Week 1
in The Indiana High School Football Forum
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Great write up...as always! Hope you do more of these throughout the season!
One thing... MV went to Semistate in 2019, Lost in regional in 2020 (Roncalli), State Champions in 2021. A great three year run nonetheless, but a slight edit from your MV section.