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On 6/1/2019 at 9:24 AM, JQWL said:

But what's his connection? Surely there are a lot of small, down on your luck programs between WV and Rock Creek. 

Does he need one? Maybe fresh eyes and a new voice *that can recruit*. Some coaches seem to have 'it' and others don't. 

On 5/24/2019 at 2:40 PM, WWFan said:

Well everyone always has something to say. But we are a contender....maybe not a favorite 

I guess time will tell. The schedule WW plays is pretty weak. After looking up last seasons results and what you all have said is returning, i guess WW is a contender.

On 5/29/2019 at 9:04 PM, JQWL said:

Rock Creek secretly has an opening and hires a long time assistant from West Virginia. Seems strange. 

Could end up being a big move, had a great record in WV. Wonder how many Jeff/NA kids he will get to come try and win 1A titles. Favorable situation to do so. 

3 hours ago, Tanka Jahari said:

I keep hearing West Washington is a serious contender to play on Thanksgiving weekend this year. Echos of 1993?

I think North Vermillion, Indy Lutheran and probably a couple others would have something to say. 

If only Eastern (Pekin) would join PLAC. I'm not sure they would fair any better, but the potential to do better is greater than it is in the MSC. Would help scheduling too. 

A merger of both, according to the magic 8 ball...highly unlikely. 

Hawgs

Haven't heard much on Silver Creek, not that I want to name any names. I would think they have to be getting close to a hire though, going into the summer with little to no plan or worrying about what the new head coach may want to do, etc. That's a problem that can put one's team behind the eight ball. 

On 5/4/2019 at 12:06 PM, itiswhatitis said:

So are there any smaller schools (1A - 3A) with turf?

Maybe the Miners soon??

4 hours ago, Coach Nowlin said:

In the current stated rule:  Same scenario:   This Sophomore RB would not be able to play 4 quarters of JV ball

 The current stated rule is the 6 quarter model now, right?

Based of your example, JV Joe participated in 2 Varsity (no more than) and 4 Sub Varsity (no more than). Thus is within the rules. If he is not then I really don't know. 

JV Joe is a helluva RB btw, kids gonna be All State one day. 

3 hours ago, Coach Nowlin said:

violation occured during the sub varsity game, how could that cost the forfeiture of the Varsity contest ?   That makes NO sense.   the game where the player played more than the allotted number of quarters would be the game that if called out on by the other team or self reported would be the game that would be deemed a forfeit for the infraction made by the team.  

Illegal participation for the week? Idk, just something I've heard coaches at school talk about. Maybe it's totally wrong, probably just fake news. 

47 minutes ago, Coach-Ref_Kiser said:

My question is... what is the penalty if a school plays a kid more than 6 quarters in a week?  Forfeit the Varsity game that week?  What if they lost it?  Then what? 

I've seen this a bunch over the past 6 years with the old 5 quarter rule, and I'm not aware there was ever any penalty.  Especially since the team that was doing it was the team that lost Friday night. 

Thoughts? 

I'm not sure the actual rule, but yes, you are correct. The commonplace has been, if you won in varsity and violated the rule in JV, then you forfeit the varsity game. It is also true (in my experience) that a lot of teams when they lose in varsity, they just go ahead and play kids that played multiple varsity quarters. I'm guessing the reasoning for doing something like this varies widely (although most the time I believe it's seen as a busch league move). Maybe they have been violating some not well known rule and skirting the punishment. 

I believe this was a quid pro quo move by the IFCA and IHSAA (I could be wrong, just my optics on the situation). State wanted mercy rule, coaches wanted six quarters. Came to an agreement. Quality work by both sides. 

6 quarters will indeed be huge in development of better football players, i.e. more in game reps, etc. Sometimes teams have a few tweeners that could help on Friday nights, but still need work in J.V. This alleviates having to choose or worry about it. 

Better football is the result, if done correctly. 

Down goes Gump and Coach Bryant, 27-7, to Bobby Boucher and The Fonz.

Sounds like Gump might've got loose at least once, but just didn't have enough to overcome the onslaught of MLB blitzes from Boucher. 

Believe SC is a great opportunity and they should have plenty of interest. Biggest school in the MSC, have made a sectional title game recently and have only been back up and running for a decade now. Right coach at the right time...would keep them in the mix at the top year in and year out. Postseason wise, if things stay the same, they will have to figure out a way to wrestle the dynastic bear that is East Central. 

It's a good job with clear objectives and what seems like good community support. 

Forest squeeks out a 6 point victory, probably on a game winning drive...toss was called more than once. 

Boucher with a solid win, 33-13, Sunshine was no match for that defensive prowess. 

Which leaves us with the original question of Gump vs. Boucher. It was eloquently debated a month prior to this matchup by great logical minds, better known as real men of genius.

I was surprised to see Pablo in this contest, but then again he is one of the greatest 3 sport studs of all time. Mainly known for his prowess on the brick dust, dude had some major power. 

Rnd 2 is going to be action packed! 

Oliver Jones? ...never heard of him. Got any game tape on him? He could be another Al Bundy, all talk. 🤣

We have at least a couple Hudl clips on Forrest and Bobby. 

Another reason to take Gump, this guy prowling the sidelines, no green notebook required. 

Could Bobby Boucher tackle Forrest Gump? 

IMO. Believe it depends on the football situation, think Gump's speed in the open field wins.

...what if, 

A.) Forrest said something about Bobby's mama

Or..

B.) Forrest felt like running

🤔

*( we can thank the internet memes for debates like this) 

1 hour ago, crimsonace1 said:

Here's the map so you can try to project the sectional fields: https://drive.google.com/open?id=153gxokpw917Ny2QyJyMozaPMxkCQOyQb&usp=sharing

Here's my very unscientific stab at it: https://drive.google.com/open?id=1vXlagxgmD3_KwFJUNHTUeDtSd9ylMmsa&usp=sharing

2A PLAC teams Paoli and Mitchell and MSC teams Eastern Pekin & Clarksville have interesting potential match up's with Indy Howe and Triton Central. Howe going to Paoli would be a loooonnnggg school bus ride. 

In 3A MSC sectional 31, I will be keeping an eye on which team the IHSAA decides to send over to the all MSC. Southridge or Heritage Hills (the traditional choice). It's a really meat grinder in 31. Lots of good coached football in that one. 

In 1A, Perry Central/ West Washington sectional would have some hauls too. Especially Rock Creek, closest is WW. That area of the state is always weird anyhow. WW has played in the sectional southwest of them (40 back in the day if I remember correctly), but has had their most success in sectional closer to Cincy with ND and Milan. 

Looking forward to the official alignments, just means football is one step closer! 

1 hour ago, Rudy said:

The book only covers first team all-state players. To add junior, 2nd team, academic, etc. would have made this already long project impossibly longer.

Maybe one of these days though lol.

I'll see if I can get an answer for your question though. Was there someone in particular you were curious about?

Dan

Probably still worth the $$. I cannot imagine the amount of research it took to put that together, especially with limited online resources. Agreed, adding all that would be a nightmare of a task.  I was just curious when the IFCA started doing their Junior All State. I am interested in any MSC or PLAC players, no one in particular.  Just being a football nerd lol. 

Just did, it may be worth the $$ to get the book, goes all the way back to 1906. If your a history nerd like me, that would be a good/fun resource to have. The IFCA website definitely goes back to 2001.  

I am wondering when the IFCA started doing Junior All-State. The IFCA website goes back to 2001, maybe it was then? IDK, any help would be appreciated. Thanks.